NotStarvnMarvn Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Well, I couldn't find a post on this but I usually see a little of "Wolfgang is better" or "Wigfrid is better" here and there. Most of this is opinion based and might be biased, however some of it is fact. Here is what I think about the whole Wolfgang vs. Wigfrid thing: Let's start with the stats:Wolfgang: 300 hunger, 150-300 health, and 200 sanity. Vs. Wigfrid: 120 hunger, 200 health, 120 sanity. Winner for health: Wolfgang for having the highest health. Although this can dip down to 150 when his hunger is lower, his health is easy to sustain because when his health is at 150 healing items are up to twice as affective. He can also eat some non-meat foods that give you health (cactus salad, waffles, butter etc.) allowing for even more healing. Also, Wigfrid needs to fight often, so this can be damaging to health. Winner for sanity: Wolfgang for having higher and more sustainable sanity. While Wigfrid can gain sanity from fallen foes, that's basically all when it comes to sanity buffs. On top of that, she has a maximum of 120 sanity and can't eat certain sanity-boosting items. While Wofgang's sanity goes down slightly (10%) faster, he can eat green caps, cactus and other sanity-boosting items that Wigfrid can't. Also, while Wolfgang loses sanity faster in fights, he may also lose less sanity because some of his fights are quicker allowing for less exposure to sanity drain. Winner for hunger: Tie. New players will find Wigfrid easier for managing hunger because she can hunt really well early on and loses hunger at a normal rate (but has a max of 120 hunger). New players as Wolfgang will try to eat all of the food they can find to keep mighty because they don't realise his hunger goes down faster when he has 101-300. At different points in the game each character will have the advantage depending on the player, world generation and (yeah, why not?) luck. Wolfgang can eat more types of food, and when at 100 hunger it goes down at a lower rate. This comes with a speed and damage penalty that is pretty crippling most of the time. At 101-300 hunger it can go down anywhere from 1.1x to 3x the normal rate! So, this should be tie. So, why should you ever choose Wigfrid? Well, this isn't over yet! Wolfgang may haver better health, hunger, and sanity but not everything is about just that! Combat: I would call this a tie but this is for you to decide, but here is my opinion: Wolfgang is better because he can do more damage at 225+ hunger for a grand total of 2x damage at 300. Equipped with a ham bat (or dark sword) he does a tremendous amount of damage, killing pigs in 2 hits, and spiders in 1 hit (when at around 280 hunger), While Wigfrid always has the same 1.25x damage. Wolfgang is also better at kiting when mighty because he runs faster. Wigfrid's spear is great for the early days, and a great weapon overall. But, there are better weapons like the tentacle spike and the ham bat that can make the spear obsolete once there is an abundance of 1 or the other (or both) making the spear only convenience on higher days. However, a mighty Wolfgang can be hard to maintain in long fights (constantly eating to keep his bonuses), this can be a big downside. But... Wigfrid is great for fighting early on because she starts off with a Battle Spear and a Battle Helmet along with her 1.25x damage while Wolfgang has no combat advantage when starting off. Also, Wigfrid is great for taking out multiple enemies because her helmet has a lot of durability. She can take lots of hits and get quick health/sanity from taking out multiple enemies. A mighty Wolfgang is far better than Wigfrid in almost every way, but Wigfrid is always ready for combat which is a big advantage. Wigfrid's helmet is great armour throughout the whole game, while Wolfgang needs to wear a football helmet or shelmet which can break easily (but the battle helmet absorbs less damage) Wigfrid also takes 25% less incoming damage. Overall survival: There is no answer to this one. This one is a preference. Personally I would say Wolfgang because in his wimpy form he loses hunger at a normal rate and this is recommended as he doesn't always need to be normal/mighty. The only disadvantage to to him being wimpy is going 10% slower (his health goes down to 150 also but most characters have 150 health anyway) but this can be negated with a walking cane. Wolfgang's other disadvantage is higher sanity drain, but this was explained earlier. Wolfgang is best used on a server with few people, maybe 1-4 players. Wigfrid is a good team player because any monster meat she hunts can go to Webber, if there is one. Also, Wigfrid is also good at feeding other players food because while hunting there will be berries, carrots, etc. to bring back to other people that can actually eat them. Wigfrid is also always ready for combat, as Wolfgang needs to get ready first (most of the time, anyway). Caves/ruins is a different story, but Wigfrid would have the advantage (but I won't get into that). I didn't go into detail that much, all of this is in general. Notice how I went with Wolfgang mostly? Wigfrid is better for newer players, but with skill (or at least, more consideration) Wolfgang used properly can surpass anyone! He is mighty! No one is mightier! I won't respond to butthurt comments or anything arguing abut this topic (you might be right anyway), I already said most of this is opinion/bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maslak Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Just something you missed: Wigfrid can eat pierogis, because they're filled with meat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sheauwn Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Saying that Wolfgang and Wigfrid tie at hunger.... 10/10 Also, you forgot to mention that Wolfgang is basically a Sonic when he's full. I am greatly offenced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serph Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Health: Wigfrid has bonus defense and health drain, she can survive a freaking big foot stomp with her helmet alotne. It's not 300 hp but she will last longer than him. There are alot of great meat hp foods like honey nuggets, pierogis (that uses meat you know?) and fishsticks, she doesn't have problem getting health. Sanity: Kinda of irrelevant the moment you get a Tam o Shanter, her lower maximum is pointless because she will restore during fights. Hunger: (How is this a tie when you listed all of Wolfgang hunger problems yet somehow said he is superior at everything??? Wiggfrid only needs meatballs and she is set) Combat: Mighty Wolfgang "only" does a max of 2x damage, not 3x and unlike Wigfrid he has a time limit to kill his enemies. In a casual multiplayer enviroment Wigfrid is overall a preferable choice because her helmet is much stronger and easier to make than football and she doesn't eat for 3 people. Dont get me wrong, i still think Wolfgang is superior fighter in the hands of a experienced player but this topic was rather biased so i wanted to correct some things and show Wigfrid good points. She might be worse than Wolfgang at combat, but then again, everybody is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotStarvnMarvn Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 14 hours ago, Serph said: Health: Wigfrid has bonus defense and health drain, she can survive a freaking big foot stomp with her helmet alotne. It's not 300 hp but she will last longer than him. There are alot of great meat hp foods like honey nuggets, pierogis (that uses meat you know?) and fishsticks, she doesn't have problem getting health.Sanity: Kinda of irrelevant the moment you get a Tam o Shanter, her lower maximum is pointless because she will restore during fights.Hunger: (How is this a tie when you listed all of Wolfgang hunger problems yet somehow said he is superior at everything??? Wiggfrid only needs meatballs and she is set)Combat: Mighty Wolfgang "only" does a max of 2x damage, not 3x and unlike Wigfrid he has a time limit to kill his enemies.In a casual multiplayer enviroment Wigfrid is overall a preferable choice because her helmet is much stronger and easier to make than football and she doesn't eat for 3 people. Dont get me wrong, i still think Wolfgang is superior fighter in the hands of a experienced player but this topic was rather biased so i wanted to correct some things and show Wigfrid good points. She might be worse than Wolfgang at combat, but then again, everybody is. The Tam o' Shanter goes for Wolfgang, too. And the thing with good healing foods is, Wolfgang can have ALL OF THEM, like waffles, 60 hp. As for hunger, wimpy wolfgang's hunger goes down at the normal rate, and with 300 hunger it will still take longer for Wilfgang to starve to death. Wolfgang can also eat non-meat food which adds a lot to his diet rather than having just meat. 15 hours ago, Sheauwn said: Saying that Wolfgang and Wigfrid tie at hunger.... 10/10 Also, you forgot to mention that Wolfgang is basically a Sonic when he's full. I am greatly offenced. I said tie mainly because of new players trying to keep Wolfgang at 300 hunger all the time and just wasteing food like that. Wolfagng can also eat many foods Wigfrid can't. I mentioned Wolfgang moving faster when he is mighty somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auth Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 When I first started playing around with Wolfgang in DS, I thought he chopped/mined faster(you know, swing harder) when mighty, and I was greatly disappointed. Honestly, next to wigfridge, in my opinion, he's still a good fighter, but with Wigfrid's overall perks VS his temporary buff, she seems to take the carnivore cake. However, I still believe that if he could share the strength with chopping/mining, (Perhaps with a slightly faster hunger drain?) He could really become a character people would enjoy using more. Now, I'm not saying people don't like to play him, so please don't lash out with "Well I play as him all the time" as quite honestly, I don't care who you play as. But, I am saying that it would make him something that the general player base would want to use more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotStarvnMarvn Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 22 minutes ago, Serph said: Wolfgang "only" does a max of 2x damage, not 3x and unlike Wigfrid he has a time limit to kill his enemies.biased I fixed that, thanks! I said there would be BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttbutt Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Wolfgang is honestly one of the best characters in the game, period. Where I've played Wigfrid more, Wolfgang shines as the star of the show in the terms of characters, mainly due to his outrageous damage output and speed. Now I'm not one to go on random servers, and I usually play as Wes anyway, so I can't say I'm the most qualified to talk about this, but I do know Don't Starve. Wigfrid and Wolfgang both face different issues in different areas, and where one might shine in one area, it struggles in others. Wigfrid is what I like to call a "training wheel character," where you learn how the Don't Starve combat works in general. Wigfrid starts with a spear and helmet, and the only real way to get food is for you to hunt, which means you have to learn how to kite and get hits in (or just tank, which Wigfrid is extremely good at) on your next meal. Wigfrid's base health and damage isn't bad considering her only real downsides is the smaller hunger and sanity pools as well as only being able to eat meat. Wigfrid is a relaxed but also very aggressive playstyle, and that she's great at, but her downsides like sanity and healing limitations can be hard on her. The reason why I don't say problems getting food is because even when lag is compensated, she can kill anything fairly easily without the prep of eating something before hand. Healing and sanity is two of Wigfrid's weaker areas however, due to there being only a few healing meat-based items, and some take up quite a bit of resources, and she also lacks the ability to use much cheaper ways of healing like blue caps and trailmix, and in a PVP standpoint, a Wigfrid with her starting helmet and spear can struggle against even a Wilson with a good number of blue caps and an axe/regular spear. Sanity is also hard because she can't eat cooked cactus, greencaps, or taffy, which means you rely heavily on sleep, clothes,jerky, or camp spiders/sinkholes to kill things for healing/sanity, but all these methods take up time you could be doing other things. Wigfrid's a good all-around fighter, but she does have downsides. Wolfgang is an absolute beast, and it shows. Now, I play a lot of Wes, so knowing how to get food is no problem for me, and while Wolfgang sounds really good on paper, new players might be turned away from him because he does have a learning curve. Wolfgang is a monster truck of a character, and he can easily run over any enemy that gets in the way on a full tank, but as he empties, he struggles. Wolfgang is better if in the hands of a more experienced player, because Wolfgang does take timing and a little bit of micromanaging. Wolfgang takes more time to learn and is great in saving time, which is a big resource in Don't Starve. While a Wigfrid can certainly kill a deerclops by tanking it (that still boggles me a bit) pretty quick, a mighty Wolfgang can wipe deerclops faster and then get home to his starving companions. A proper Wolfgang knows when to become mighty, and how to go about kiting (or tanking, Wolfgang's pretty good at that too.) Wolfgang also has more room in terms of healing and sanity, trailmix and cactus being great friends in that regard. Watch your health however, you have a bigger health pool when mighty than when regular Wolfgang. People seem to really nail him for his wimpy form, which sucks yeah, but certainly is in no way a huge downside. I struggle more with sanity than anything, but cactus is again a huge upside to Wolfgang Wigfrid doesn't have. Hunger can suck, especially if you aren't in a team with a Wickerbottom or even a Wigfrid for extra damage and farming capabilities, and managing your hunger to make sure you don't go over or under the range takes practice. Wolfgang is the best in the combat field, but being the best isn't always easy. In short, both characters are great. Wolfgang's power makes him the star of the circus, but Wigfrid can perform just as well. Design wise, I like Wigfrid more, but mechanic wise, I love Wolfgang. Both are great warriors and shine in their own ways. I'd suggest if you want an easier experience in the role of a hunter or just chill in general, Wigfrid is great for learning the ins and outs of combat. I'd suggest Wolfgang to a more experienced player that knows how to use his powers at the right time and know about going managing his weaker side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Healfree Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 While u guys arguing about me and my buddy Wolfgang I'll just sit here and enjoy our friendship not sure might be more than friendship but who knows ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Reaper Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 21 minutes ago, Healfree said: While u guys arguing about me and my buddy Wolfgang I'll just sit here and enjoy our friendship not sure might be more than friendship but who knows ... I'm sure now everybody understands that this is the begging of a beautiful friendship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperPsiPower Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 My standpoint is on PvP and not PvE, mostly because PvE is unfortunately boring to me now that I've survived more then 700s days, due to the repetitiveness that I stick mainly to PvP now. From what I have personally experienced on PvP servers is that people will say Wigfrid is superior because she has better armor, however its self explanatory that she has a better start then any of the characters in the game, which forces people to choose her specifically for spawn-camping or putting in little to no effort. I strongly believe Wolfgang will always outclass Wigfrid due his damage multiplier and health boost, and running speed. Wigfrid does have really good gear, don't get me wrong, sometimes I even go wigfrid to lend support to people and save them from spawning camping or make them some helms. But in mid combat, say you have 10 prebuilt helms and 40 health left, she literally has no way to heal back her health fast enough before Wolfgang catches up to her and finishes the job. The only way Wigfrid could personally kill a Wolfgang is if she outclasses her enemy on 3 things Prep (Magic or just plain resources), Ping, and strength in numbers. In fact, they usually make a good pair early game if you team together! Giving a wolfgang 4 meat and fighting gear is not only enough to go mighty, but to scare off any potential threats, though this may vary. TL;DR - Wigfrid reigns supreme early game, and Wolfgang reigns supreme later game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwerBomb Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 7 hours ago, Healfree said: While u guys arguing about me and my buddy Wolfgang I'll just sit here and enjoy our friendship not sure might be more than friendship but who knows ... Did you hear that? ... it was Wes's heart. It just shattered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonseye Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Wigfrid also takes 25% less damage at all times, which doesn't seem to be mentioned in the OP at all. Nor is it mentioned that she has greater group utility via battle helmets, which are the most efficient protective headgear in the entire game, and battle spears which are a good early game weapon until you have amassed an arsenal of Tentacle Spikes. Also, hunger at equal for both of them? Yeah, not going to be taking any of this seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanAzej Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Wolfgang is better. Double damage, food is no problem when you can kill anything in 2-3 hits. Meats have longer eating animation, which limits Wigfrid a little, while Wolfgang can eat anything - Trail Mix, Dragonpies, Butterflies for easy insta-healing during combat. If you can play this game then you should only become wimpy when you come out from a Tent. Yeah, Wigfrid's helmet has more durability than a regular Football Helmet, but it's not a problem when you can just go to some pig vllage to feed Pigmen monster meat gathered from tens and hundreds Spiders/Hounds you destroyed. Her spear is nothing to brag about, you still have to craft yourself a proper weapon (Ham Bat and later Dark Sword) to dish out actual nice damage. Also, Wigfrid doesn't gain as good advantages as Wolfgang from other characters. She's going to be annoyed by Wendy/Webber (Wigfrid's stat boost from fighting enemies is denied by those characters who just simply do better job at killing Spiders) and Wickerbottom's books are way better in combination with Wolfgang. She can be a great buddy with Wolfgang, since they both are combat-oriented characters. Wolfgang can't provide her much more than just raw power, but Wigfrid can be his support with backup armor and weaponry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotStarvnMarvn Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 13 hours ago, leonseye said: Wigfrid also takes 25% less damage at all times, which doesn't seem to be mentioned in the OP at all. Nor is it mentioned that she has greater group utility via battle helmets, which are the most efficient protective headgear in the entire game, and battle spears which are a good early game weapon until you have amassed an arsenal of Tentacle Spikes. Also, hunger at equal for both of them? Yeah, not going to be taking any of this seriously... Wolfgang at full hunger can outlast a Wigfrid with full hunger. Wolfgang can do more damage at times making it easier to get more food (he also moves faster) Wolfgang can eat non-meat items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonseye Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Dylan738 said: Wolfgang at full hunger can outlast a Wigfrid with full hunger. Wolfgang can do more damage at times making it easier to get more food (he also moves faster) Wolfgang can eat non-meat items. Yeah, not sure what that has to do w/ you completely omitting some of Wigfrid's merits from the conversation (and pretending that this is some form of objective comparison), and now when they are brought up, you go on some ridiculous "OMG WOLFGANG BEST" tirade. Thanks for showing your clear bias, I guess. Not that it wasn't readily apparent before. /shrug Everybody knows that Wolfgang is a stronger fighter than Wigfrid; that isn't even a debate. But the fact that you won't even attempt to make this a fair discussion by including ALL of Wigfrid's pros, but make sure to include everything about Wolfgang just makes it completely laughable. Oh, I see that you edited your OP to go ahead and say that you are completely biased. Well, that's good, I guess. PS) Wolfgang doesn't look as good in skins most of the time, imo, due to having no sleeves or no shirt at all. : / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VexTheHex Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I just personally enjoy playing Wolfgang more as he feels more balanced with his pros and cons. Wolfgang is harder to play, big pay off. Wigfrid is possibly easiest to play, big pay off. @leonseye I didn't give Woflgang too much time until the clothes came out. I hated his default outfit, but I find him pretty awesome with some nice clothes on him. Makes him feel more like a foreigner facing some language barriers (still far from the brightest of the cast) than a complete dummy, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotStarvnMarvn Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 On 16/03/2016 at 10:38 AM, leonseye said: Yeah, not sure what that has to do w/ you completely omitting some of Wigfrid's merits from the conversation (and pretending that this is some form of objective comparison) Read through the WHOLE THING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonseye Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 22 minutes ago, Dylan738 said: Read through the WHOLE THING. I'm not sure why you would assume that I didn't. You replied to literally 1 line out of 6, and the least important part of that entire post that you had quoted, while completely ignoring the "meat" (pun intended), which was the omission of some of Wigfrid's benefits in a thread that is presumably supposed to be comparing the entirety of their kits against one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonseye Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 16 hours ago, VexTheHex said: @leonseye I didn't give Woflgang too much time until the clothes came out. I hated his default outfit, but I find him pretty awesome with some nice clothes on him. Makes him feel more like a foreigner facing some language barriers (still far from the brightest of the cast) than a complete dummy, Oh, I have nothing against Wolfgang; he's my fiance's favorite character. I generally play Wigfrid or Wickerbottom w/ her and our friends (or Maxwell, but he's modded in atm). I do agree that he looks pretty spiffy in some of the outfits. : ) (On a completely side note, Maxwell + Valkyrie armor and yellow gloves looks like some kind of knight cleric and I love it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VexTheHex Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 7 hours ago, leonseye said: Oh, I have nothing against Wolfgang; he's my fiance's favorite character. I generally play Wigfrid or Wickerbottom w/ her and our friends (or Maxwell, but he's modded in atm). I do agree that he looks pretty spiffy in some of the outfits. : ) (On a completely side note, Maxwell + Valkyrie armor and yellow gloves looks like some kind of knight cleric and I love it.) Webber with Valkyrie armor looks pretty interesting to, like some knight from a lost tribe of spider people. :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangStarrWoWp Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Wolfgang is the most OP character in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeilerderWelten Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, GangStarrWoWp said: Wolfgang is the most OP character in the game. Right after Wickerbottom, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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