kiwikenobi Posted December 28, 2025 Share Posted December 28, 2025 The problem with trying to input preexisting music is that the musical lock can play multiple notes at once, and for varying duration. We also have no way to know the tempo that the lock wants any particular song played at. The sheet music for any given song will usually include both the melody and a bass part, which can include chords. How do we know how much of the bass line it wants? How fast it wants it to be played? What key it wants it to be in? You can play the same song starting on literally any note by transposing it. I'm confident that we will be very sure of the answer when we figure out whatever clue it is. We simply cannot figure this out with blind guessing. There are any number of existing songs that could make sense to open the lock, but we have no way to know what version of them they might be, and which arrangement to use, or even what part of the song to use if it's not the beginning. For all we know, the actual combination to the lock might not sound like a song at all, it might be totally discordant combinations of notes. I think what we need to do is try to find the right clue, rather than trying to think of songs that might work. And I want to reiterate what I said before: On 12/25/2025 at 12:10 PM, kiwikenobi said: The sheer number of combinations possible for the musical lock--anywhere from zero to twenty-four notes across anywhere from one to twenty beats, which I think means the possible number of variations is more than the number of atoms in the entire universe--means that the answer must be extremely clear somewhere. We're not going to just brute force this puzzle, or stumble upon the right combination by accident. Presumably even one note being off will make it not work. I would think, when we find and understand whatever clue we have available to us, we'll know exactly what to do. So if whatever idea we have is not extremely clear, then probably that's not the right answer. Or at least it seems that way to me. That said, I have no idea where to look for clues. Perhaps someone who knows how to dig through hidden data in the comic's files knows how to find it, if it's buried there. Or someone who knows a lot about ciphers might recognize something that the rest of us are overlooking. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted December 28, 2025 Share Posted December 28, 2025 (edited) Has anyone tried doing a spectrogram of the cricket sound, etc.? It looked like there was text in the whistling, but it wasn't clear enough to read. For reference: Edited December 28, 2025 by Bumber64 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrKoopa Posted December 28, 2025 Share Posted December 28, 2025 7 hours ago, Cassielu said: It seems to have do nothing but jump to a regular puzzle page. It's supposed to reset this pussle if there is someone that wants to start over. Quote Resetting your state is ready for beta testing. We'll be out until the new year so I recommend against testing it unless you're OK with the possibility of bugs we missed! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted December 28, 2025 Share Posted December 28, 2025 2 hours ago, MrKoopa said: It's supposed to reset this pussle if there is someone that wants to start over. Yeah, I am one of this "someone" and it didn't work. Has anyone successfully with it? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csfranklin Posted December 28, 2025 Share Posted December 28, 2025 On 12/26/2025 at 9:07 PM, MISMASJETU said: Probably just random times the potions were actually mixed at. Devs confirmed it has nothing to do with the sound puzzle. Just noticed that it says PM instead of AM, if it's supposed to be nighttime, then it should be AM. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MISMASJETU Posted December 28, 2025 Share Posted December 28, 2025 8 minutes ago, Csfranklin said: Just noticed that it says PM instead of AM, if it's supposed to be nighttime, then it should be AM. True... maybe it just took insane amount of time to make them for Wagstaff? But then why the other 4 would take so short of time to make? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DajeKotlyar Posted December 28, 2025 Share Posted December 28, 2025 (edited) this is an animation of bubbles in that pot on the table. what if this circles are notes? maybe we just have to draw the 5 lines of standart notation? i made this image, looks logical for me. but it also creates a problem of useless black buttons. i could try to pick a key based on the notes, but its too much guessing Tried, didnt work. tho it might be in some key Edited December 28, 2025 by DajeKotlyar 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DajeKotlyar Posted December 28, 2025 Share Posted December 28, 2025 also, in Wes animation, where the guy from the bank note has first appear, after his first appear you can hear very similar bell sounds. around 2 minute time. im not sure how to pull that sound from there and turn into notation Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LePietatoLord Posted December 28, 2025 Share Posted December 28, 2025 1 hour ago, DajeKotlyar said: this is an animation of bubbles in that pot on the table. what if this circles are notes? maybe we just have to draw the 5 lines of standart notation? i made this image, looks logical for me. but it also creates a problem of useless black buttons. i could try to pick a key based on the notes, but its too much guessing Tried, didnt work. tho it might be in some key not related at all 3 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim S. Posted December 29, 2025 Share Posted December 29, 2025 (edited) Yo! I might be onto something B-) Basically I tried to recreate the Wagstaff whistling sound as closely as I could When I noticed the connection between 643 and the chord progression. So I just translated 643 alphabetically, which resulted in "F D C" - very close to the Wagstaff whistling sounds. I think it does makes sense, him having the encoded note of his secret musical password and it getting stuck in his head. I tried to experiment a bit with the octave lever (FD up, CC down and vice versa) and slightly different versions of the chord progressions above, but I couldn't make it work yet. Maybe one of you can translate the whistling more accurately or has new input, but I think the 6433 - FDCC connection seems too good to ignore Btw, the last whistling note seems to be played twice, but maybe it's just Wagstaffs ferocious whistling style and the notes are actually just FDC, connecting it even closer to the 643. Unfortunately, no 3-Chord combination worked for me so far.. Either way, I hope it's the right direction! Edited December 29, 2025 by Tim S. 4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DajeKotlyar Posted December 29, 2025 Share Posted December 29, 2025 3 hours ago, Tim S. said: Yo! I might be onto something B-) Basically I tried to recreate the Wagstaff whistling sound as closely as I could When I noticed the connection between 643 and the chord progression. So I just translated 643 alphabetically, which resulted in "F D C" - very close to the Wagstaff whistling sounds. I think it does makes sense, him having the encoded note of his secret musical password and it getting stuck in his head. I tried to experiment a bit with the octave lever (FD up, CC down and vice versa) and slightly different versions of the chord progressions above, but I couldn't make it work yet. Maybe one of you can translate the whistling more accurately or has new input, but I think the 6433 - FDCC connection seems too good to ignore Btw, the last whistling note seems to be played twice, but maybe it's just Wagstaffs ferocious whistling style and the notes are actually just FDC, connecting it even closer to the 643. Unfortunately, no 3-Chord combination worked for me so far.. Either way, I hope it's the right direction! where did you get those notes? they are simply not correct. the notes are F#5+G#4, E5+F#4, C#5+D4, C#5+D4. Tho there is a lot of post processing crap as can be seen here: those peaks are heavily filtered Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DajeKotlyar Posted December 29, 2025 Share Posted December 29, 2025 (edited) 9 hours ago, DajeKotlyar said: also, in Wes animation, where the guy from the bank note has first appear, after his first appear you can hear very similar bell sounds. around 2 minute time. im not sure how to pull that sound from there and turn into notation i went so far i pulled sound from the short, put it throuh the app i use, pull the notes and repeated them on the door. no luck. tho they sound identical, i assume whoever made the music gave sounds to puzzlemakers Edited December 29, 2025 by DajeKotlyar Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim S. Posted December 29, 2025 Share Posted December 29, 2025 7 hours ago, DajeKotlyar said: where did you get those notes? they are simply not correct. the notes are F#5+G#4, E5+F#4, C#5+D4, C#5+D4. Tho there is a lot of post processing crap as can be seen here: those peaks are heavily filtered Haha true, thank you very much! 6 hours ago, DajeKotlyar said: i went so far i pulled sound from the short, put it throuh the app i use, pull the notes and repeated them on the door. no luck. tho they sound identical, i assume whoever made the music gave sounds to puzzlemakers Good idea! So I think the notes from the short are G6+E6+C#6 G#6+D#6+C6 F#6+E6+C#6 - A6+F#6+D#6+F#5, right? Looks great for the puzzle, but couldn't make it work either.. Maybe it's something about the tempo? Long desperate shot, but maybe the first six notes are a group, then three and then four. Rearranging it to 6-4-3 seems off and doesn't work either though.. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DajeKotlyar Posted December 29, 2025 Share Posted December 29, 2025 6 hours ago, Tim S. said: G6+E6+C#6 G#6+D#6+C6 F#6+E6+C#6 - A6+F#6+D#6+F#5, right? Can't remember exactly but looks pretty much right. I tried different things. Puzzle sounds too quick tho Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel86268 Posted December 29, 2025 Share Posted December 29, 2025 33 minutes ago, DajeKotlyar said: Can't remember exactly but looks pretty much right. I tried different things. Puzzle sounds too quick tho If it's too quick, maybe add a space between those notes? We got plenty of slots. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifffffffff Posted December 29, 2025 Share Posted December 29, 2025 mabye someone can write a script to try every possible combination or something? Oother than that i have no idea how this can be solved. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatherRabbit Posted December 29, 2025 Share Posted December 29, 2025 I'm fighting for my life with this cricket. Is it bugged? I'm getting the lil music notes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikenobi Posted December 29, 2025 Share Posted December 29, 2025 (edited) 20 minutes ago, RatherRabbit said: I'm fighting for my life with this cricket. Is it bugged? I'm getting the lil music notes After seeing the notes, do literally nothing for I think almost three minutes. Certainly more than two. Then it just appears on its own. 26 minutes ago, Grifffffffff said: mabye someone can write a script to try every possible combination or something? Oother than that i have no idea how this can be solved. Any combination of twenty-four notes per beat, up to twenty beats, adds up to a number so big, there's no word for it. More than millions, more than quadrillions, more than decillions. I don't think it's possible to brute force this. I really love the idea of those bells in the Wes animation being the key, but I've tried them at several different tempos, and it just doesn't seem to ever match up right, in terms of the timing, and it hasn't unlocked anything for me. witherstonebells.mov lockbellsslow.mov lockbellsfast.mov Perhaps we need to find a song that is in the exact tempo, or a direct multiple thereof, of the playback speed of the musical lock. Which seems to be exactly 90 BPM, if I'm not mistaken. (The phonograph song in Wagstaff's office is only 80BPM or so.) Edited December 29, 2025 by kiwikenobi 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1464576869 Posted December 29, 2025 Share Posted December 29, 2025 The "Starver's Carol" was the only song I felt both fit with timing and notes for it's first phrase (I did it without any chords or bass myself, no result). Even though I've done exactly the same though I do think trying random dst related songs is a bit out of left field, I don't see how any particular track is exactly mentioned in the puzzle itself. A massive amount of songs simply don't fit because 20 beats isn't enough to express timing, and as kiwi said, it's a very slow beat too. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardcrumb Posted December 30, 2025 Share Posted December 30, 2025 I could definitely be reaching here, but there's a melody that plays at the very end of the projector short that has me wondering If this doesn't work, maybe try listening for bells in any wagstaff related songs? 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetNerfedOn Posted December 30, 2025 Share Posted December 30, 2025 On 12/27/2025 at 12:40 PM, GetNerfedOn said: Today is december 27, 2025. this is GetNerfedon your host for today, bringing you your daily arg news. There has been yes news for today. apart from nome's post above, the musical door remains unsolved. this has been your daily news for december 27, 2025. apologies for the delay, i have been sick on christmas day and the day after. Day 77 of writing down the script of the Inevitable short letter by letter until this ARG ends: Once upon a time several strangers were stranded in a land lethal, loathsome and large. None got Today is december 30, 2025. this is GetNerfedon your host for today, bringing you your daily arg news. There has been yes news for today. the musical door remains unsolved. this has been your daily news for december 20, 2025. apologies once again for the delay, convalescing Days 78, 79 and 80 of writing down the script of the Inevitable short letter by letter until this ARG ends: Once upon a time several strangers were stranded in a land lethal, loathsome and large. None got alo 2 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfario Posted December 30, 2025 Share Posted December 30, 2025 Me trying to come up with new stuff to try after the 50th try of rag time on the musical door: 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Darks Posted December 30, 2025 Share Posted December 30, 2025 Ngl, a lot of these ideas are flying right over my head because I don't even know how the musical puzzle functions.... Patiently waiting for the video guide to come out. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fill-Lips Posted December 30, 2025 Share Posted December 30, 2025 Didn't I read somewhere all the information needed are given in the ARG itself, and no where else? If so, all these attempts at recreating music that play from these trailers isn't helpful in advancing the puzzle. But that doesn't rule out the ragtime remix in Wagstaff's study bunker... Someone posted a reversed version of it in the official discord, and there some weird moments where piano keys can be heard clearly, has anyone tried that? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfario Posted December 30, 2025 Share Posted December 30, 2025 1 minute ago, Fill-Lips said: Didn't I read somewhere all the information needed are given in the ARG itself, and no where else? If so, all these attempts at recreating music that play from these trailers isn't helpful in advancing the puzzle. But that doesn't rule out the ragtime remix in Wagstaff's study bunker... Someone posted a reversed version of it in the official discord, and there some weird moments where piano keys can be heard clearly, has anyone tried that? Is there any transcript of the notes ? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/58/#findComment-1847588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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