About KLEI: Crabpack and the Giveaway experience.

[nome]

9 minutes ago, Cliffford W. said:

Nome will we ever get the Resurrected Moldy Backpack

I will lobby @JoeW - I also miss the mouldpack!

[GrapeVruit]

9 minutes ago, nome said:

I will lobby @JoeW - I also miss the mouldpack!

I'm glad I'm not the only who forgot about this feature. It kinda feels like a lost media Creepypasta at this point, like Candle Cove or something. Did we TRULY ever have a moldy backpack or did we all hallucinate it playing DST back in the day?

Edited April 29, 2025 by GrapeVruit

[Maxil20]

41 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

I'm glad I'm not the only who forgot about this feature. It kinda feels like a lost media Creepypasta at this point, like Candle Cove or something. Did we TRULY ever have a moldy backpack or did we all hallucinate it playing DST back in the day?

I think the most funny/noteworthy thing is particular is even worlds that had the moldpack had it become the backpack it originally was before it rotted. My moldpack ended up “reviving” into my crabpack, like it never left…

[GrapeVruit]

45 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

I think the most funny/noteworthy thing is particular is even worlds that had the moldpack had it become the backpack it originally was before it rotted. My moldpack ended up “reviving” into my crabpack, like it never left…

Oh my god...So it IS true. I'm not sure why this item specifically went to the void when things like Wicker's Applied Horticulture still stayed in the game. I feel like a conspiracy is afoot. 

[Maxil20]

3 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

I'm not sure why this item specifically went to the void when things like Wicker's Applied Horticulture still stayed in the game.

I think its mostly a side effect of the original timer based mechanics of the backpack skin not existing anymore when they changed it, which the molded pack used. Its still in the game files as a “loyal” skin, just not accessible due to the mentioned of no publicly available way to obtain the skin yet.

[GrapeVruit]

6 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

I think its mostly a side effect of the original timer based mechanics of the backpack skin not existing anymore when they changed it, which the molded pack used. Its still in the game files as a “loyal” skin, just not accessible due to the mentioned of no publicly available way to obtain the skin yet.

Who knows? Maybe they'll release as a klei reward sometime in the future. But until then, the item will be just as sacred as the Potato Cup sitting in @nome's inventory. (Though on a serious note, IDK how many people would want to willingly spend points on a disgusting looking backpack skin. Perhaps that's why it's still not returned?)

[Griver84]

Didn't know how good we had it back in the day with the moldy backpack...(the irony)

2016 Griver didn't know he'd yearn for the mold in 2025....

[Cheggf]

14 hours ago, JazzyGames said:

Gonna push back on this idea and I'm sure I will regret it.

The Ambassador program was not intended to replace the work and effort of growing a content channel on YouTube or Twitch. Plenty of us were able to create content and develop our brand long before Twitch drops and giveaways became a thing, so I find it slightly disingenuous to imply that channel growth is not possible without the Ambassador program. Conversely, I've seen plenty of DST streamers get inflated views during drops periods and giveaways but their numbers outside of that time were nowhere near the top of the category, so it's never a guarantee of viewers or channel growth.

I get the giveaway process was sorted and this was our first time as a group of creators giving away this volume of codes and it wasn't as streamlined as it could have been. I get all of that, and I'm saying maybe the solution is not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The program is a good addition that has provided a lot of backend support for content creators. We'll do better with the rollout next time, I promise.

I will say though I am a bit surprised that the crab packs haven't gone on sale yet.

I don't think he's saying that the Ambassador program is required to grow your channel, I think he's saying the opposite and that the Ambassador program stifles growth of your channel if you aren't a part of it. If you aren't an Ambassador and you have no drops then there's even more channels with drops enabled that are higher & higher up on the list making your channel harder to find, and your audience is more limited than ever. Instead of anyone who's interested in watching streams being a potential viewer it's anyone who's interested in watching streams and also has already watched Twitch for many hours so they were able to finish the current stream drops. All the people who are only here for drops and all the people who are here to watch streamers and also get drops are being drawn to Ambassador channels, leaving only the people who are here to watch streamers and not get drops to watch non-Ambassador channels. 

[lowercase skye]

8 hours ago, Maxil20 said:

I think the most funny/noteworthy thing is particular is even worlds that had the moldpack had it become the backpack it originally was before it rotted. My moldpack ended up “reviving” into my crabpack, like it never left…

Something that haunts me: the inventory icon for the moldy backpack still exists in the game, meaning that if someone had drawn a moldy backpack on a mini sign before its removal, it would still remain on that sign even if the world were played today. I really doubt anyone did, because why would they, but still. It haunts me.

[Creatorofswamps]

12 hours ago, nome said:

I will lobby @JoeW - I also miss the mouldpack!

That's the most amazing thing I've heard lately, and I miss him so much too!

 

Edited April 30, 2025 by Creatorofswamps

[Cliffford W.]

 

     

 

(Not real btw)

[viblym]

On 4/29/2025 at 2:25 PM, Cliffford W. said:

Nome will we ever get the Resurrected Moldy Backpack

 

It better not

[Cliffford W.]

I'm molded to see you

This would be also funny to see lol

[Cliffford W.]

On 4/29/2025 at 8:37 PM, nome said:

I will lobby @JoeW - I also miss the mouldpack!

The item/skin is rather an TImeless mastermoldpiece!

[Kaioh]

On 3/18/2025 at 1:10 PM, _mylilsunshine_ said:

The original owner of the skin had to buy the plush for the code, or get the code when buying the plush. People have argued that the cost for later-owner should be proportional or similar to the OG owner. Klei also agreed that they "do not want to disrupt the inherent value that they have by their rarity and cost to acquire."

Here is a plush I found online, with no code it's already $20, not to mention shipping and such. So if later-owner wants the Crabpack skin, they'd have to pay close or more than that price for it to be fair to the OG owner. This does not include inflation. I don't know about the original price of the plush though.

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Well, according to the original steam patchnotes:

"For our first Resurrected skin, we are giving a number of the Resurrected Crabpack skin codes available to ambassadors to give away in any way that they choose. It will later be available in the game for $4usd, based on the original crabbit plush price."

Which has since been changed to:

"For our first Resurrected skin, we are giving a number of the Resurrected Crabpack skin codes available to ambassadors to give away in any way that they choose. It will become available for purchase in game at a later time."

I don't know if the original still applies, but $4 USD for crabpack would be laughably cheap. Original crabbit plushie used to cost $35 USD (shipping and such excluded), which would mean the skin is only worth about 10% of the original, rounded up. When Klei said it would be based on a percentage of the original cost, I thought it'd be around 50% at least, which would put the skin at $17.50 USD, though I think even $20 would be reasonable as there are no additional shipping costs or potential import taxes/tariffs anymore. The 10% MSRP value would make me feel very dumb for buying official merch if the codes end up getting distributed for peanuts later tbh

[00petar00]

11 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

I don't know if the original still applies, but $4 USD for crabpack would be laughably cheap. Original crabbit plushie used to cost $35 USD (shipping and such excluded), which would mean the skin is only worth about 10% of the original, rounded up. When Klei said it would be based on a percentage of the original cost, I thought it'd be around 50% at least, which would put the skin at $17.50 USD, though I think even $20 would be reasonable as there are no additional shipping costs or potential import taxes/tariffs anymore. The 10% MSRP value would make me feel very dumb for buying official merch if the codes end up getting distributed for peanuts later tbh

How is 50% reasonable when skins literally hold no inherent value and the price is very arbitrarily set by developers? The literal value of skins is infinitely close to 0$ as players keep buying because you only need to pay artist to make it once and there's no additional cost and soon AI will replace most of these artists so the cost will basically be 0$.

11 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

The 10% MSRP value would make me feel very dumb for buying official merch if the codes end up getting distributed for peanuts later tbh

No one forced you to buy merch, that's your decision to support developers, it actually exists IRL and can't be copy pasted like skins.

You are basically trying to lock skin value behind merch while I can make the same argument that merch is much more valuable in this case and skin is an additional bonus.

Edited May 10, 2025 by 00petar00

[Kaioh]

33 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

How is 50% reasonable when skins literally hold no inherent value and the price is very arbitrarily set by developers? The literal value of skins is infinitely close to 0$ as players keep buying because you only need to pay artist to make it once and there's no additional cost and soon AI will replace most of these artists so the cost will basically be 0$.

No one forced you to buy merch, that's your decision to support developers, it actually exists IRL and can't be copy pasted like skins.

You are basically trying to lock skin value behind merch while I can make the same argument that merch is much more valuable in this case and skin is an additional bonus.

Proof of purchase skins verify that you've purchased an official product, to distinguish a real product from fakes which plague the internet to this day, as fake makers can't give in-game boons, only Klei can do so. They are also not available anywhere else, which is why they're so valuable to get for skin collectors, as at the end of the day, you still have to pay enormous sums of money to get them, even if alone they are "worthless". I would also argue that the promise of exclusive digital items with physical merch purchases increases sales significantly, as many avid skin collectors such as myself will go through the trouble of buying the merch if only for the skins themselves. If this exclusiveness is to be neutralized, I have no reason to buy merch anymore and I would say many would also stop doing so, since buying Klei merch can get quite expensive (and if from a 3rd party company such as Funko Pop or Youtooz, the products can be of poor quality and/or dissatisfying).

Saying that no one forced me to buy the merch doesn't invalidate the fact that these skins are very valuable for skin collectors due to the methods required to obtain them. If the original crabpack became tradable like funkos, I can assure you it would sell for far more than the proposed $4 and would only grow in value over time

[00petar00]

21 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

Proof of purchase skins verify that you've purchased an official product, to distinguish a real product from fakes which plague the internet to this day, as fake makers can't give in-game boons, only Klei can do so. They are also not available anywhere else, which is why they're so valuable to get for skin collectors, as at the end of the day, you still have to pay enormous sums of money to get them, even if alone they are "worthless".

I know that DST has different rarities but you can't see the difference in game and also how is this a good practice for majority of the playerbase of any game where there are exclusive or limited time purchase skins?

21 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

I would also argue that the promise of exclusive digital items with physical merch purchases increases sales significantly, as many avid skin collectors such as myself will go through the trouble of buying the merch if only for the skins themselves. If this exclusiveness is to be neutralized, I have no reason to buy merch anymore and I would say many would also stop doing so, since buying Klei merch can get quite expensive (and if from a 3rd party company such as Funko Pop or Youtooz, the products can be of poor quality and/or dissatisfying).

Exclusive or limited skins are very predatory, here you are getting a funko pop so that should be the main reason you are buying it not the skin, what would be the argument against developers adding skin in the game and selling funko pop on its own If you are only buying it for skin?

Klei developers have already stated that they are going to remove skin exclusivity or something along these lines and they already brought beta bottomless firepit and over time they'll add everything else because they are actually trying to do good for the community.

I still haven't seen you explain to me how it is good for anyone that tesla coil lantern skin is like 90$ when game is 15$ and obviously you get so much more value out of the game compared to a copy/paste skin that anyone can own that doesn't add any content or anything unique besides some art you can look at.

21 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

Saying that no one forced me to buy the merch doesn't invalidate the fact that these skins are very valuable for skin collectors due to the methods required to obtain them. If the original crabpack became tradable like funkos, I can assure you it would sell for far more than the proposed $4 and would only grow in value over time

So you would rather have exclusive and expensive skins so that people that waste money and can show off like you instead of everyone being able to own everything for a reasonable price?

I don't care about how much the skin would sell for If it was made exclusive arbitrary by developers like tesla coil lantern, I just don't think that game skins should cost that much when they basically hold no real value and even 4$ is too much for one skin.

Why do we need to have a market where skins grow in value? This literally makes no sense to me.

Edited May 10, 2025 by 00petar00

[Keller Max]

24 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

I know that DST has different rarities but you can't see the difference in game and also how is this a good practice for majority of the playerbase of any game where there are exclusive or limited time purchase skins?

Exclusive or limited skins are very predatory, here you are getting a funko pop so that should be the main reason you are buying it not the skin, what would be the argument against developers adding skin in the game and selling funko pop on its own If you are only buying it for skin?

Klei developers have already stated that they are going to remove skin exclusivity or something along these lines and they already brought beta bottomless firepit and over time they'll add everything else because they are actually trying to do good for the community.

I still haven't seen you explain to me how it is good for anyone that tesla coil lantern skin is like 90$ when game is 15$ and obviously you get so much more value out of the game compared to a copy/paste skin that anyone can own that doesn't add any content or anything unique besides some art you can look at.

So you would rather have exclusive and expensive skins so that people that waste money and can show off like you instead of everyone being able to own everything for a reasonable price?

I don't care about how much the skin would sell for If it was made exclusive arbitrary by developers like tesla coil lantern, I just don't think that game skins should cost that much when they basically hold no real value and even 4$ is too much for one skin.

Why do we need to have a market where skins grow in value? This literally makes no sense to me.

I really want to get a Tesla Lantern and Deerclops backpack! Hope Klei will sell those in the store in a near future.

[Kaioh]

36 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

I know that DST has different rarities but you can't see the difference in game and also how is this a good practice for majority of the playerbase of any game where there are exclusive or limited time purchase skins?

Exclusive or limited skins are very predatory, here you are getting a funko pop so that should be the main reason you are buying it not the skin, what would be the argument against developers adding skin in the game and selling funko pop on its own If you are only buying it for skin?

Klei developers have already stated that they are going to remove skin exclusivity or something along these lines and they already brought beta bottomless firepit and over time they'll add everything else because they are actually trying to do good for the community.

I still haven't seen you explain to me how it is good for anyone that tesla coil lantern skin is like 90$ when game is 15$ and obviously you get so much more value out of the game compared to a copy/paste skin that anyone can own that doesn't add any content or anything unique besides some art you can look at.

So you would rather have exclusive and expensive skins so that people that waste money and can show off like you instead of everyone being able to own everything for a reasonable price?

I don't care about how much the skin would sell for If it was made exclusive arbitrary by developers like tesla coil lantern, I just don't think that game skins should cost that much when they basically hold no real value and even 4$ is too much for one skin.

Why do we need to have a market where skins grow in value? This literally makes no sense to me.

Proof of purchase skins were added specifically for the reason I listed above - to combat counterfeiters distributing fake bad quality merch, I highly doubt Klei would risk selling real products without a digital component again precisely for this reason. Klei has also acknowledged many people are buying merch for the skins only, which is why they've introduced a system where you can get the skins again should their physical component become unavailable officially.

As for the "how it is good for anyone that tesla coil lantern skin is like 90$ when game is 15$" argument, ahem, what does that have to do with anything? Even excluding expensive merch, in-game skin bundles often times exceed the base game's price tag, so I don't see how are expensive proof of purchase skins such a big issue, as at the end of the day they are just cosmetics with no real bearing on gameplay. Skin collecting isn't for everyone, if you don't want to spend the pretty penny required to own them, you don't have to, but those that choose to do so should have something to show for it, this hard work should not be invalidated so easily just because others feel entitled to it without willing to put in the effort. I mentioned funkos precisely as proof that people really value these skins. Their market value did admittedly get a bit out of hand, but it wasn't always like this.

How is it fair that people previously had to spend intense money to get a few exclusive skins that now people should be able to afford at effectively 90% discount (more if we consider shipping and other charges)? That's what really doesn't make any sense here.

"Klei developers have already stated that they are going to remove skin exclusivity or something along these lines." Well I hope they will also dismantle the exclusivity of login rewards, it's silly how some of the login rewards are now even rarer than the upcoming resurrected skins due to them not being available even on the reward page.

[00petar00]

29 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

Proof of purchase skins were added specifically for the reason I listed above - to combat counterfeiters distributing fake bad quality merch, I highly doubt Klei would risk selling real products without a digital component again precisely for this reason. Klei has also acknowledged many people are buying merch for the skins only, which is why they've introduced a system where you can get the skins again should their physical component become unavailable officially.

So If I have a gun and go to commit a crime you shouldn't be able to own a gun? That's literally your argument as to why developers bundle skins with merch because some people would try to copy their design and sell it.

If the merch was more valuable and was bought instead of players wanting a skin they would still choose to buy a knockoff If they don't want to support developers and want a cheaper product.

29 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

As for the "how it is good for anyone that tesla coil lantern skin is like 90$ when game is 15$" argument, ahem, what does that have to do with anything? Even excluding expensive merch, in-game skin bundles often times exceed the base game's price tag, so I don't see how are expensive proof of purchase skins such a big issue, as at the end of the day they are just cosmetics with no real bearing on gameplay. Skin collecting isn't for everyone, if you don't want to spend the pretty penny required to own them, you don't have to, but those that choose to do so should have something to show for it, this hard work should not be invalidated so easily just because others feel entitled to it without willing to put in the effort. I mentioned funkos precisely as proof that people really value these skins. Their market value did admittedly get a bit out of hand, but it wasn't always like this.

My point is that it is bad for gamers in every single instance but there are exceptions and we can be understandable with DST and games that receive updates for a long time after they are released because they still need to be funded, it still isn't good for a single skin to be too expensive. The only reasons that tesla coil lantern is so expensive is because players value skin above the merch, shipping costs making merch not viable to buy and its cheaper to just get the skin and devs can always stop selling merch so that means that skins wouldn't even be available for purchase.

You shouldn't have to spend thousands of dollars to get exclusive skins in most games that are only exclusive because of their price tag, when it comes to DST it is priced reasonably but many games have skins that are expensive just for people to waste money and show off their wealth in games and people used to make fun of them and still do.

What hard work is being invalidated, you are just swiping.. Someone can buy everything in a few minutes. 

29 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

How is it fair that people previously had to spend intense money to get a few exclusive skins that now people should be able to afford at effectively 90% discount (more if we consider shipping and other charges)? That's what really doesn't make any sense here.

Its not fair for them and it doesn't have to be when so many more people would benefit from games not having that model and even these players will benefit in the future since they will have easier access to new skins.

People like you are part of the reason that microtransactions exist on such a scale in games, it all started with one horse armor in oblivion 2006 for like 2-3 dollars and people were outraged but because people bought it that's why it has expanded so much and became so invasive in games, maybe it wouldn't even exist in games today If people didn't buy it.

29 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

"Klei developers have already stated that they are going to remove skin exclusivity or something along these lines." Well I hope they will also dismantle the exclusivity of login rewards, it's silly how some of the login rewards are now even rarer than the upcoming resurrected skins due to them not being available even on the reward page.

All of these login or twitch drop skins are eventually added to klei rewards program, the bigger issue is for new players to get points to obtain everything.

Edited May 10, 2025 by 00petar00

[Kaioh]

42 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

So If I have a gun and go to commit a crime you shouldn't be able to own a gun? That's literally your argument as to why developers bundle skins with merch because some people would try to copy their design and sell it.

If the merch was more valuable and was bought instead of players wanting a skin they would still choose to buy a knockoff If they don't want to support developers and want a cheaper product.

My point is that it is bad for gamers in every single instance but there are exceptions and we can be understandable with DST and games that receive updates for a long time after they are released because they still need to be funded, it still isn't good for a single skin to be too expensive. The only reasons that tesla coil lantern is so expensive is because players value skin above the merch, shipping costs making merch not viable to buy and its cheaper to just get the skin and devs can always stop selling merch so that means that skins wouldn't even be available for purchase.

You shouldn't have to spend thousands of dollars to get exclusive skins in most games that are only exclusive because of their price tag, when it comes to DST it is priced reasonably but many games have skins that are expensive just for people to waste money and show off their wealth in games and people used to make fun of them and still do.

What hard work is being invalidated, you are just swiping.. Someone can buy everything in a few minutes. 

Its not fair for them and it doesn't have to be when so many more people would benefit from games not having that model and even these players will benefit in the future since they will have easier access to new skins.

People like you are part of the reason that microtransactions exist on such a scale in games, it all started with one horse armor in oblivion 2006 for like 2-3 dollars and people were outraged but because people bought it that's why it has expanded so much and became so invasive in games, maybe it wouldn't even exist in games today If people didn't buy it.

All of these login or twitch drop skins are eventually added to klei rewards program, the bigger issue is for new players to get points to obtain everything.

Well to me it's very obvious that you are not a skin collector and it's evident you don't understand the fact that people value various skins in the game for various reasons, so I'll just opt out of this discussion after this post.

I'll just say that Klei heavily undercutting some of the most expensive skins in the game will heavily alienate many people spending a lot of money on the game and seriously shaken consumer confidence, which is just a bad business move. The only reason why this hasn't been a total disaster yet, other than the unknown price tag of the resurrected skins, is the fact that as of right now, the original proof of purchase skins have retained their status, the resurrected skins are their lesser copies that exist separately, which is somewhat of a consolation prize (although it's kinda awkward how you can have 2 different rarity crabpacks on an account, but whatever).

By your own logic, skins have zero value - should Klei then give them all out for free? They would go bankrupt pretty quickly if they did that, so that's a bad idea. Klei literally stated "We want to make these available to players but do not want to disrupt the inherent value that they have by their rarity and cost to acquire" in regards to the situation with proof of purchase skins, so it's clear they understand the situation well, so I don't see what's so bad about wanting Klei to give these skins the proper respect they deserve?

"Someone can buy everything in a few minutes" - Sure, if they have the money to do so, but buying it all at once is way too expensive, most people take years to get all of the skins, and if we're talking loyal skins and proof of purchase skins those are hamstrung by time too regardless of money (for example by having to wait for klei points to drop, or long delivery times with physical merch).

"All of these login or twitch drop skins are eventually added to klei rewards program, the bigger issue is for new players to get points to obtain everything." - Twitch drops yeah they get added relatively frequently, but login rewards are not. There are many skins that have yet to be added and they are ages old already.

[hhh2]

5 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

I still haven't seen you explain to me how it is good for anyone that tesla coil lantern skin is like 90$ when game is 15$ and obviously you get so much more value out of the game compared to a copy/paste skin that anyone can own that doesn't add any content or anything unique besides some art you can look at.

Because of the market of collectors and the status it provides.  Central to the act of collecting is scarcity.

5 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

So you would rather have exclusive and expensive skins so that people that waste money and can show off like you instead of everyone being able to own everything for a reasonable price?

I don't know how long you've been in human societies, but we humans really do like our status goods.  We like owning something valuable and scarce, like gold or silver.  I want a limited edition Jordans so when I go out onlookers know I am a big deal and very important and people should pay attention to me and adulate.  It's an instinct of us, and the social networks we use are the clearest mirrors.  It doesn't matter than those Jordans are made for pennies in Vietnamese sweatshops, their scarcity makes them a status good.

I understand your angle of wanting to distribute the pretty pictures, but it does devalue those items and makes them no longer provide status.  Status is a vital function of human societies.

One party is going to miss out somehow.  Either those sprites stay exclusive and stay as status goods, which keeps collectors pleased, or the sprites are handed out and things become more egalitarian, but it upsets the collectors and the sprites no longer have their special meaning.  It's a tough one.  And no doubt an one's opinion will be wrought from their own status or ownership of this item and their stock which they put into society.

I bought the crabbit plush seven years ago.  It's on my couch and looks great with the other blues in my living room.  When I play DST, I enjoy showing the skin off.  Doesn't hit the same anymore.  Personally, I don't mind the skin becoming devalued, but I feel for collectors who were under the assumption that Klei would tacitly preserve that exclusivity.  I am not a collector, I bought the plush because I thought it looked cool, but I did experience that status momentarily and can sympathize with collectors.

7 hours ago, Kaioh said:

Well, according to the original steam patchnotes:

"... It will be available in the game for $4usd, based on the original crabbit plush price."

The 10% MSRP ($4 / $40) value would make me feel very dumb for buying official merch if the codes end up getting distributed for peanuts later tbh.

10% MSRP.  I think leadership at Klei does not consider the collectors of DST as being significant.  Even that suggestion as it was in the patch note's debut is quite insulting.  Probably will scare away junior collectors.  I wonder why Klei retracted their suggestion of price from the patch notes.

2 hours ago, Kaioh said:

I'll just say that Klei heavily undercutting some of the most expensive skins in the game will heavily alienate many people spending a lot of money on the game and seriously shaken consumer confidence, which is just a bad business move. The only reason why this hasn't been a total disaster yet, other than the unknown price tag of the resurrected skins

Most definitely.  I fear for collectors.  They must feel so uncertain at Klei's dismissal and casual attitude regarding the perpetuity of status goods.  "shaken consumer confidence", I couldn't have worded it better myself.

Edited May 11, 2025 by hhh2

[lowercase skye]

I've been accumulating every skin I can since they were first added during early access, including many merch-exclusive skins such as the Funko Pops, Youtooz, plushies, even the winter hats from the Klei store, in addition to keeping up with Twitch drops and buying bundles of regular skins. I think everyone being able to obtain previously-exclusive skins for a cheap and reasonable price is an undeniable good.

Being a "collector" of cosmetics in a live service game is a fool's errand that boils down to just being willing to spend money as fast as possible on a digital license that says you're allowed to use this set of pixels now. To be clear, you aren't even owning anything! There is no physical good that you're collecting, you can't display it on a shelf, and if Klei's servers ever go kaput then any "ownership" you have of your skins will go with it, because you're just purchasing a digital license that says you're allowed to give your character a purple shirt instead of a red one. I think being prideful of that and feeling like it's unfair for people to get that digital license for videogame pixels for a cheaper price is just, deeply deeply silly. I think you should take a step back if you're genuinely holding the opinion that a digital license for a blue crab on your screen should be $20. No cosmetic in a video game should ever be $20.

So yeah, as someone who's been "collecting" skins since 2015: I think everyone should have an opportunity to get them cheaply and affordably. Even a $4 price tag honestly sounds like a scam for a single backpack skin in comparison to the skin bundles that are in the store. As a collector of skins since 2015 I think they should put it up for like $2 actually. Maybe make it a $15 bundle that contains all the exclusive backpacks from the Klei store. People posted a lot about how much it would be disrespecting dedicated fans for new players to be able to get the Bottomless Pit for Klei points, and they still did that, so I have hope that they'll make the right decision here and let people finally get this skin at a reasonable price.

[Primalflower]

21 minutes ago, hhh2 said:

I want a limited edition Jordans so when I go out onlookers know I am a big deal and very important and people should pay attention to me and adulate.  It's an instinct of us, and the social networks we use are the clearest mirrors.  It doesn't matter than those Jordans are made for pennies in Vietnamese sweatshops, their scarcity makes them a status good.

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