Why Willow and Walter are the best characters in the franchise

[Jakepeng99]

They have a bubbly and happy personality that makes you happy! Simply examining things, or looking at their smirks and smiles makes the game so much more joyful! I love Willow and Walter! Also Woby and Bernie are cool companions too! Their upsides and downsides are a bonus!

[Dextops]

Nuh uh

[Dr. Safety]

They are poop from a butt

[Random Guy000]

WX is funny too tho

[HeatAndRun]

Ironically they are most underrated character ingame

[Waitdire]

Wes's quotes are unforgettable.

[Nnumber3]

respectable, willow always have great lines and Walter has his moments.

[Mysterious box]

I'd argue from a design perspective Walter is probably what dst characters should have been characters with mostly minor upsides and impactful downsides that shake up how you approach the game. The result is a much weaker character who doesn't offer enough compared to the rest of the cast but that's only because most of the cast are powerful forces of nature with mostly minor downsides.

[Jakepeng99]

42 minutes ago, Dextops said:

Nuh uh

Yes. 

19 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I'd argue from a design perspective Walter is probably what dst characters should have been characters with mostly minor upsides and impactful downsides that shake up how you approach the game. The result is a much weaker character who doesn't offer enough compared to the rest of the cast but that's only because most of the cast are powerful forces of nature with mostly minor downsides.

This is true. 

41 minutes ago, Random Guy000 said:

WX is funny too tho

Yes but he is not charming.

[Dextops]

You’re all forgetting this scoundrel

[Jakepeng99]

Just now, Dextops said:

You’re all forgetting this scoundrel

I main Wurt, and i think Walter and Willow have the best personalities in the game.

[MondayNight]

5 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I'd argue from a design perspective Walter is probably what dst characters should have been characters with mostly minor upsides and impactful downsides that shake up how you approach the game. The result is a much weaker character who doesn't offer enough compared to the rest of the cast but that's only because most of the cast are powerful forces of nature with mostly minor downsides.

When Walter's Skill Tree comes along, 2 branches will broadly invalidate both 2x-dmg-to-sanity and his "bees allergies" - that much for "impactful downsides". Also I don't know how you people play Walter to make such assertions, but I find him most cheese-prone one of the entire bunch; well, aside the brute force Wurt brings, absolutely destroying bosses with numbers. Or present-day Woodie's Treeguard "summoning" ability - for example, against AFw makes Gunpowder and Houndius seem like quite bad in-terms-of-effectiveness&rapidity strats. That's why I find him so entertaining: can "chillax" F-rip AG from across a ditch, side-step & F-FTW phase 3 CC, walk Klaus from one side of the map to the other into his slow death, take down Shadow Chesspiece lvl3 and AFw just with "keep pressing" F and so on. Marble is your best friend, armor and pellets wise. Patience and ammo. Reading comments such as yours brings a smile to my "resting B-face" each time, heh.

[Jakepeng99]

3 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

When Walter's Skill Tree comes along, 2 branches will broadly invalidate both 2x-dmg-to-sanity and his "bees allergies" - that much for "impactful downsides". Also I don't know how you people play Walter to make such assertions, but I find him most cheese-prone one of the entire bunch; well, aside the brute force Wurt brings, absolutely destroying bosses with numbers. Or present-day Woodie's Treeguard "summoning" ability - for example, against AFw makes Gunpowder and Houndius seem like quite bad in-terms-of-effectiveness&rapidity strats. That's why I find him so entertaining: can "chillax" F-rip AG from across a ditch, side-step & F-FTW phase 3 CC, walk Klaus from one side of the map to the other into his slow death, take down Shadow Chesspiece lvl3 and AFw just with "keep pressing" F and so on. Marble is your best friend, armor and pellets wise. Patience and ammo. Reading comments such as yours brings a smile to my "resting B-face" each time, heh.

Most the time he just kills bosses with pure cheese with the slingshot. Alot of people don't do that because they don't find it fun and alot of people don't consider it for that reason. Most people don't want to sit right out of Klaus's tether range to snipe him, or stand across the land to avoid bosses. It is not the best against general mobs either even with cheese besides a nudge of extra damage while the mob is far enough.

[Mysterious box]

4 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

When Walter's Skill Tree comes along, 2 branches will broadly invalidate both 2x-dmg-to-sanity and his "bees allergies"

Doubtful unlike Woodie there isn't a reason to do this. At the bare minimum they might give him something to resist bees abit better.

6 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

Also I don't know how you people play Walter to make such assertions, but I find him most cheese-prone one of the entire bunch; well, aside the brute force Wurt brings, absolutely destroying bosses with numbers. Or present-day Woodie's Treeguard "summoning" ability - for example, against AFw makes Gunpowder and Houndius seem like quite bad in-terms-of-effectiveness&rapidity strats. That's why I find him so entertaining: can "chillax" F-rip AG from across a ditch, side-step & F-FTW phase 3 CC, walk Klaus from one side of the map to the other into his slow death, take down Shadow Chesspiece lvl3 and AFw just with "keep pressing" F and so on. Marble is your best friend, armor and pellets wise. Patience and ammo. Reading comments such as yours brings a smile to my "resting B-face" each time, heh.

Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's good or fun. I don't think it's a good argument to say he's a good character because you could techinically cheese boss fights in the most boring way possible that usually have better or longer lasting cheese alternatives.

[chirsg]

I like wigfrid's personality. 

She is very war hungry but then she says stupid things like "eggy" and "hot egg" Also when she inspects glommer and she says "A majestic goober"
 

Woodie is the stereotypical polite canadian but then sometimes he says some wild stuff.

I love when klaus is at phase 2 and woodie says "You shoulda stayed down"

Chills.

[MondayNight]

3 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Doubtful unlike Woodie there isn't a reason to do this. At the bare minimum they might give him something to resist bees abit better.

I was hyperbolic, but the essence remains: there will be at least an option in his Skill Tree to minimize the impact of his cons, 1 or both.

 

5 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's good or fun. I don't think it's a good argument to say he's a good character because you could techinically cheese boss fights in the most boring way possible that usually have better or longer lasting cheese alternatives.

Idea was, once more: he's out-of-gate one of the most cheese-prone characters, if not THE ONE. For example in Caves the Earthquakes provide you with free ammo, no preparation required whatsoever. If you "raid" some random server you can go at bosses, the "in most boring way" for effective, safe result in relaxed-play manner: hello loot! For most people out there that matters - the loot, and relaxation of repetition. "Is not about the journey, but about the destination" - for better or worse, that's how people work. Just a small percentage is consciously seeking rewards from hard work, as payout. Most are into "immediate gratification" via the safe way - by keeping out of harm way; et voila Walter, the ranged character.

 

18 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Most the time he just kills bosses with pure cheese with the slingshot

The almost-totally safe way, when experienced enough and willing to take your time, yes.

[Mysterious box]

5 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

Idea was, once more: he's out-of-gate one of the most cheese-prone characters, if not THE ONE. For example in Caves the Earthquakes provide you with free ammo, no preparation required whatsoever.

The no prep isn't exactly true you have to wait around until you get enough ammo to do something substantial it could be quick but often your not getting what you need from quakes not helped by the fact his slingshot cc rounds aren't very good. You can techincally raid all the world's marble if you beat Wanda and Wolfgangs to it but often times people will even collect those resources for them on their behalf as they're valued as more useful.

11 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

If you "raid" some random server you can go at bosses, the "in most boring way" for effective, safe result in relaxed-play manner: hello loot! For most people out there that matters - the loot, and relaxation of repetition. "Is not about the journey, but about the destination" - for better or worse, that's how people work. Just a small percentage is consciously seeking rewards from hard work, as payout. Most are into "immediate gratification" via the safe way - by keeping out of harm way; et voila Walter, the ranged character.

The ironic issue is most people avoid Walter specifically because he often makes you put in far more work in boss fights compared to the rest of the cast. Walter's playstyle is only good in that sense if your decent at kiting or really knowledgeable about cheese and by the time you've reached those points people often find easier ways than Walter to end those fights or just become good enough to do it themselves leaving Walter in a weird limbo an unskilled player makes the game harder on themselves due to him having a very harsh downside. A knowledgeable player often knows more fun or consistent cheese methods and a skilled player can just cut out the middleman and just blitz down the boss.

17 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

The almost-totally safe way, when experienced enough and willing to take your time, yes.

There in lies the issue once you reach this point this means nothing when the player truely becomes experienced enough to be near completely safe with Walter They can already translate that into the base combat loop invalidating the supposed safe playstyle while using far less resources or easier to obtain in mass resources.

[Jakepeng99]

48 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

For example in Caves the Earthquakes provide you with free ammo, no preparation required whatsoever.

Pebbles are really bad. You get gold rarely but nowhere close to removing prep, and marble is really rare from eaethquakes.

 

48 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

by keeping out of harm way; et voila Walter, the ranged character.

He is ranged yes, but being ranged is more than essentially watching a timer go down while standing still with no risk. His range support is best with followers or friends, which is intended since he has specific slingshot mechanics to not take aggro away from other mobs. He was intended to have meatsheilds rather than this. He is the ranged support character. I wish the special rounds were better.

 

48 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

Is not about the journey, but about the destination" - for better or worse, that's how people work. Just a small percentage is consciously seeking rewards from hard work, as payout

If you were right, there would be alot of Walter players cheesing tons of bosses, or cheesing in general, but we know that is not the case. At most people cheese Toadstool with lureplants.

 

[Vultureneck]

2 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

They have a bubbly and happy personality that makes you happy! Simply examining things, or looking at their smirks and smiles makes the game so much more joyful! I love Willow and Walter! Also Woby and Bernie are cool companions too! Their upsides and downsides are a bonus!

I don't play this game to be happy, I play it to be depressed.

[Jakepeng99]

Just now, Vultureneck said:

I don't play this game to be happy, I play it to be depressed.

[BezKa]

8 minutes ago, Vultureneck said:

I don't play this game to be happy, I play it to be depressed.

Found the Wendy main

[Anthony_L3hr]

I unironically like Wes' personality the most, this bad luck magnet that manages to keep chugging no matter how bad things turn out and keeping the rest of the survivors entertained in the Constant. Walter not so much  

[Capybara007]

Wagstaff is the best character in this franchise and could be a potentially amazing villain as a scientist that wants to make the world a better place using his knowledge of the constant

Most villains are aware that their actions are malevolent and that their goal only benefits them, not Wagstaff, he is not aware of the dangers of nightmare fuel, he is not aware of the ancient civilization that made the same mistakes he is about to make with the overuse of magic, in his head he is a great guy who is gonna revolutionize the entire world and anyone who is against him just wants to let the world stay as it is

That last sentence is a bit of a headcannon but i hope they go that way with him because i love his character so much and i would hate that they make something lackluster with him like with charlie who is literally an emo teenager

[BezKa]

1 minute ago, Capybara007 said:

charlie who is literally an emo teenager

I have never seen someone misinterpret a character so much

I'm not some big Charlie fan but her character, motivations, past, actions are all compelling

 

[Capybara007]

15 minutes ago, BezKa said:

I have never seen someone misinterpret a character so much

I'm not some big Charlie fan but her character, motivations, past, actions are all compelling

 

All the real depth charlie has is put in the carter puzzles and even then you dont feel like she has a compelling story

On the begining why does she care about maxwell so much? Why does she go to the final act despite already knowing the dark secrets behind the codex umbra? What made her become the darkness monster other than klei not planning that out since old assets dont call her charlie at all? Why can she just remove the throne's shadows not even the king could do? Why does she care about the decoration in the throne room? Is there any hints on why she does this? Is that even charlie or is it someone else inside her mind? If so why does she still keep her past thoughts like hating on maxwell for "doing this"? Why is among the first things she does as queen is create a mushroom toad, a giant beequeen and a lion antlion? Why is she on the forgotten knowledge trailer? What is she even doing there other than to create hype for the lack of actual valuable lore that was put out at that time of development? Does she even care about winona? Why did she bring her to the constant and why does she attack her anyways?

Also sorry for making this thread about wasgstaff and charlie