Looking for a downside for WX-78

[00petar00]

9 hours ago, Random Guy000 said:

It's too random and practically non existent after the first winter

Most characters don't really have that bad of a downside even compared to what WX-78 has now as it can start raining heavily in the first autumn if you are unlucky and you can die if you are not prepared.

Quite a few characters downsides are also non existent after a number of days if you have gathered resources needed to counter it.

For example, i don't like caring about cooking different food or mixing it up, i just bundle stacks of the same things so i won't play Warly.

While that downside is what many Warly mains like, it also puts off many players from playing him.

So many players just compare WX-78 to Wilson and think that he should be nerfed for some reason, that is what happened with his stats. Wilson is the character that hasn't received any changes for so long that he shouldn't even be used in discussions about balance in the state the game is currently in until his refresh as there were too many changes.

[goblinball]

21 hours ago, FourthLess said:

Mike is being silky as always but he's not that wrong. It doesn't have to be an eyebrella, normal umbrella + football helmet is enough to reach 100% wetness protection.

Good luck killing ancient guardian with an umbrella lol

[SinancoTheBest]

5 minutes ago, goblinball said:

Good luck killing ancient guardian with an umbrella lol

there's always the raincoat. And since WX comes with the tools to increase its base stats, have temperature immunity, produce sanity etc. I think it's a good downside that he has to account for during encounters where it'll need to both fight and stay dry.

[FourthLess]

23 minutes ago, goblinball said:

Good luck killing ancient guardian with an umbrella lol

I mean, can't you just retreat and wait till the rain ends? 

[-Nick-]

1 hour ago, goblinball said:

Good luck killing ancient guardian with an umbrella lol

Nothing's stopping you from switching to your weapon. Equip the umbrella when you are not swinging. Its just like switching to a walking cane in fights.

For how long dodging is compared to hitting AG, your wetness shouldn't be a problem.

[Ohan]

As long as they dont nerf wetness damage into the ground and make it meaningless again i dont think wx needs any further downsides.

Deadly rain already makes wx approach an aspect of the game in a unique way compared to every other survivor which is what a good downside should do. Raincoat became a lot more interesting for WX for example whereas its mostly a very niche option for the other survivors. 

Rain not being a common occurrence and thus this downside not being a constant concern is offset by how deadly it is when you do find yourself unprepared to deal with it which makes it interesting. 

Aside from wetness theres also losing charge from freezing and being constrained by 6 circuit pins and no longer being able to eat gears for basically godmode stats. 

WX never had a real downside before and they shouldnt suddenly become a warly/wormwood so this current iteration is perfect in comparison imo. 

[Cheggf]

2 hours ago, Ohan said:

Raincoat became a lot more interesting for WX for example whereas its mostly a very niche option for the other survivors. 

Raincoat is the best rain gear for most situations. Winter insulation (useful in the early spring nights), ability to wear tam during spring, ability to wear cheapest armor in the game. I'm almost always using it regardless of my character.

[mrlang]

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4 hours ago, Nickolai said:

没有什么能阻止你切换到你的武器。不摆动时装备雨伞。这就像在战斗中切换到手杖一样。

与击中 AG 相比，躲避多长时间，你的潮湿应该不是问题。

I think your game’s too easy. You can sribe to the mod at creatureworks

Do not always feel that everyone is very powerful, the game or there are many new people, do you want New People with you masochism?

[ArubaroBeefalo]

22 minutes ago, mrlang said:

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I think your game’s too easy. You can sribe to the mod at creatureworks

Do not always feel that everyone is very powerful, the game or there are many new people, do you want New People with you masochism?

if having few pig skin, silk and a science machine ready in the first autumn is so hard you or that new players can always play wendy, wilson, wolfgang, winona, wigfrid, willow, wickerbottom, weeber or woodie

edit. this character makes approaching rain a harder thing while making darkness, winter and summer something to dont worry about...

[lionking102]

1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

if having few pig skin, silk and a science machine ready in the first autumn is so hard you or that new players can always play wendy, wilson, wolfgang, winona, wigfrid, willow, wickerbottom, weeber or woodie

edit. this character makes approaching rain a harder thing while making darkness, winter and summer something to dont worry about...

Yes, with some circuits you don't have to worry about darkness or winter. But I think that's totally fine, because thats his perk, why should I play him otherwise? When we talk about how easy it is to protect against rain than we talk about an experienced player and let's be honest: For him it is also not difficult to protect against darkness or freezing. But it is more comfortable with WX, that could be a reason why I play him, thats his perk and for me thats fine. 

Other characters need to use minerhats and thermal stones, but than they have double damage, can teleport and I mean Wigfrid can just equip her starting gear and facetank some of the bosses without even looking at the monitor^^ So I don't know if thats balanced, but so should every character have something why you play him. And I think there are stronger perks than the ones WX has, but they are also not bad and for me that comfort is really useful for lategame basebuilding. 

Most of the weaknesses of DST characters can easily dealt with, when you know what you're doing. That's fine and the point of becoming good in a game. For beginners it is still insanely difficult. 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

32 minutes ago, lionking102 said:

Yes, with some circuits you don't have to worry about darkness or winter. But I think that's totally fine, because thats his perk, why should I play him otherwise? When we talk about how easy it is to protect against rain than we talk about an experienced player and let's be honest: For him it is also not difficult to protect against darkness or freezing. But it is more comfortable with WX, that could be a reason why I play him, thats his perk and for me thats fine. 

Other characters need to use minerhats and thermal stones, but than they have double damage, can teleport and I mean Wigfrid can just equip her starting gear and facetank some of the bosses without even looking at the monitor^^ So I don't know if thats balanced, but so should every character have something why you play him. And I think there are stronger perks than the ones WX has, but they are also not bad and for me that comfort is really useful for lategame basebuilding. 

Most of the weaknesses of DST characters can easily dealt with, when you know what you're doing. That's fine and the point of becoming good in a game. For beginners it is still insanely difficult. 

- my point is that you are negating 3 survival aspects in exchange of being more carefully with another one. Is not about how easy or difficult is to beat summer or winter, is about that these modules save you inventory space so isnt a big deal to have some rain protection item in your inventory ready to be used

- other characters might have stronger perks in certain areas of the game but the point of characters upsides and downsides is to make a fun an unique experience with each of them so there is no point of comparing them or characters like willow, wes or womwood, really fun characters, would need changes to buff them or characters like wigfrid, wanda, warly or wanda changes to tune them down for the sake of balancing them to be equally strong

- as i said there are easier characters, a good ammount of them, why is that bad to have easy, medium and difficult characters? totally new players have a good pool to start learning the game and, with characters like current wx, wortox, etc, another good pool to play something between wigfrid and warly in terms of difficulty. Srly, having to think ahead because of a downside is waaay more interesting than having 34534321 perks with a dumb downside like most characters have, warly and wormwood are fun because of this not because their upsides. Also only really noob players have problems with rain, and now i guess even less with how much helps the crafting tab filters, when there are many cheap items that protect from rain, a legacy thing from DS RoG when the vanilla experience was 50% chances of starting in spring

- Im not against making changes to their downside like having scalating damage linked with the ammount of wetness, as far as it doesnt become a dumb downside again or ends up like a lot of characters that have """downsides""" that not only doesnt change that much the gameplay but also is negated by their own 

[Mike23Ua]

Please let this be the version of WX that makes it to console when the update goes live, rain/wetness being a unique downside is awesome- and I want to experience that before Klei changes it again like they did with the Wolfgang getting hit losing Mightiness that only existed in his Beta.

[Wonz]

WX-78 the soulless automaton. Does it mean wx's emotionless? Probably not since stuff that lowers sanity seems often like something inducing fear and wx is affected by that. The downside could be based around lack of empathy basing on the quote "EMPATHY MODULE NOT RESPONDING" or wx suffering robot/computer problems from low sanity like losing an arm from time to time and having to pick it up or craft another to regain efficiency,

Low sanity could randomly put on wx some effect like mentioned arm loss, temporarily inverted controls(would be annoying and most likely counterable with mods), limited vision maybe by making it a cone in front of wx or something closer to wagstaff but those also are annoying. There's not much original stuff to work with anymore.

The lack of empathy does not give much to work with, there's not much stuff related to feeling empathetic like wurt feeling bad for holding fish meat or survivors' regaining sanity for reviving a ghost. Not letting wx have sanity from reviving is not worthy downside.

[Neu7ral]

1 minute ago, Wonz said:

WX-78 the soulless automaton. Does it mean wx's emotionless? Probably not since stuff that lowers sanity seems often like something inducing fear and wx is affected by that

WX-78 is canonically soulless, however that doesn't stop them from feeling emotions, as far as we see their emotion program is correct and works as intended, they just don't have empathy.

[PetulantPansy]

He still doesnt have a downside outside of wetness? Yes, other characters dont have major downsides (ex. Wendy) but new wx is incredibly powerful. Ruins trips are an absolute breeze (what can even hurt you anymore In ruins?), and he can move insanely fast (which has enormous boss fighting potential). 

 

Imo, this is like having a willow-difficulty downside combined with wolfgang perks. (Doesnt make dst challenging anymore like it used to be)

 

"Oh but you can play any character you like. Why nerf a character? Whats wrong with making a character super OP?"

 

My response: theres no satisfaction in excelling in something when you are playing on easy mode. Just like how you dont give yourself a pat on the back everytime you successfully add 2 1-digit numbers together.

At least make normal food 80% as effective or something since hes a robot and makes fun or everything human. I think thats a very fair downside since he can gain full food value from spoiled food so its not even that big of a downside if you really do the math. 

[QuartzBeam]

43 minutes ago, PetulantPansy said:

He still doesn't have a downside outside of wetness?

He loses all charge upon being frozen,which makes Klaus, Crab King and especially Ice Hounds a pretty big pain in the posterior.

And he's subject to a pretty darn long cooldown (2 minutes per slot iirc) whenever he wants to switch circuits, which can add up to a day and a half of being a knock-off Wilson, more or less.

[PetulantPansy]

I guess objectively speaking, wx isnt new player friendly since the things you need to scan to even unlock the circuits are not that intuitive. But for a medium level player (who read forum posts/wiki), it still feels like easy mode. 

 

Losing all charge isnt penalizing. Its annoying because you are probably slower but its not detrimental to the player's survival. Worst case scenario is that you have to craft a thermal stone. Thats the absolute worst case survival scenario i see a player facing when they lose all charge. In other cases youre slower or need light (craft a few torches which are cheap). And of the scenarios you mention, the ice hounds seem the most dangerous lol. 

 

You mention a fair point on the cooldown. I can only speak for myself but in my playthroughs, i wasnt constantly switching circuits every 5 days so it wasnt a problem. 

 

Also if thats your playstyle, i totally respect that but maybe you should give sister winona a call