Random Guy000 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Stat nerfs are boring, surely we can brainstorm a more unique downside for our boy. Please help, I don't have any ideas Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Nick- Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 The stat nerfs wasn't for solving the downside really. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Guy000 Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nickolai said: The stat nerfs wasn't for solving the downside really. What for then Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Nick- Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Random Guy000 said: What for then To help differentiate the character from others. Plus it's nice to have a connection to ds WX-78. Many different people have different reasons for lowered stats. Even me. Sorry if my answer isnt great, but its what I personally think. I think the water downside could be expanded apon though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohan Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Food gets converted into oil which WX will periodically poop out. Puddles of oil function like mario kart banana peels for everyone and can be set on fire. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Guy000 Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nickolai said: I think the water downside could be expanded apon though. I think that water downside, alongside with stat nerf, needs to be toned down in favour of unique con that will affect your gameplay as WX in most situations, and not just when its raining 8 minutes ago, Nickolai said: To help differentiate the character from others. But... it doesn't? Low stats is a Maxwell(and Wes) perk, if anything it makes him feel less original, even if it isn't as low Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SapoLover Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 I think that since one of the main purpose of the speed circuit is to meke dodging easier, make them lose durability when getting hit would balance them (7-10 hits should break them and consume the charges they were using). You could still use them to move faster on the world, but using them in fights would be more risky. I've never played WX-78 for more than 10 days, even in the beta, so I don't know if this is a good nerf. It makes sense for me because the idle animation for WX is his arm falling from its body, indicating that it's kind of "fragile". Some circuits should have more durability than others, like the two that give health. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Nick- Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, Random Guy000 said: But... it doesn't? Low stats is a Maxwell(and Wes) perk, if anything it makes him feel less original, even if it isn't as low Just because a character already has low stats doesn't mean that any other character can't have them aswell. Even though Maxwell and Wes have low stats, thats only two characters out of the whole select screen. The amount of stats WX has rn isnt really effecting anything either. It's not a big downside like the two mentioned characters above. WX having 100 stats makes the character start out as a blank slate with slilghty being worse than wilson. Thats what the Circuits are for. To change WX from a blank slate to a unique character that can change benifits and perks during a favourable situation. Having less stats isnt a big deal at the end of the day. Like some people mentioned, having 150 stats is basically the same as 100 with armor and healing being used. The only real critical point is at around 70. I find the whole arguments about the lowered stats pretty pointless. Even if it's a "boring way to nerf a character", or "It doesnt effect the character", people wanted lowered stats, and klei gave it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 What if a small amount of water killed him super fast and also rapidly drained his charge? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, Random Guy000 said: But... it doesn't? Low stats is a Maxwell(and Wes) perk, if anything it makes him feel less original, even if it isn't as low These aren't the only characters with stats below 150 so I'd argue it never fully belonged to them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Guy000 Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Nickolai said: WX having 100 stats makes the character start out as a blank slate with slilghty being worse than wilson. Thats what the Circuits are for. To change WX from a blank slate to a unique character that can change benifits and perks during a favourable situation. Whats a favourable situation for using stat circuits? In any given situation they get outclassed by other circuits, simply because they are either more versatile or fun to use Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Nick- Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Random Guy000 said: Whats a favourable situation for using stat circuits? In any given situation they get outclassed by other circuits, simply because they are either more versatile or fun to use I said circuits, not specifically the stat ones. Yes stat circuits are out classed by some other ones, but that's inevitable. If you are really good at the game, you really don't need stat circuits. Newer intermediate players however would more likley rely on them. Everyone plays differently. Even if you don't find a use for stat circuits, that doesn't mean someome else wont as well. The sanity stat circuits can be handy to use sometimes, fighting deerclops with some installed helps you not go insane if you don't want the hassle. Hunger can be used for long voyages where you somehow ran out of food, or stranded somewhere with the lack of food. There's many options where stat circuits can be used. It depends on the situation, your thinking, and dependency on them. They are not really supposed to replace other circuits, they are more like little boosters of sorts. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 40 minutes ago, Ohan said: Food gets converted into oil which WX will periodically poop out. Puddles of oil function like mario kart banana peels for everyone and can be set on fire. "losing oil" in my country is a homophobic insult xD Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seero Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Losing electricity when freezing, wet and starving is good enough Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 WX78 has a downside, and a good and unique one now.. I don’t think you quite realize that it doesn’t just effect when it rains, it’s also going to effect other areas of the game- Such as.. Caves leaks, Ocean waves (some mobs like Gnarwail, Grass Gator & Malbatross cause them) Ice Hounds & Deerclops attacks. Someone earlier was complaining about dying to rain while fighting the Ancient Guardian- Personally I found that to be hilarious.. because they should’ve been using WX78’s new infinite Moggles circuit, while the head slot is occupied by the rain preventing Eyebrella. But.. This downside is more than enough downside for WX.. they don’t need 100+ downsides for each circuit that would just get complicated fast. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartzBeam Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Cheggf said: What if a small amount of water killed him super fast and also rapidly drained his charge? I'LL TAKE FIVE! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzumetaPraline Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Yeah, I do think the rain damage we have now is already good enough ... I remember playing WX pre-upgrade and I would (RIGHTFULLY) think their rain damage was a JOKE (which it was), but now you can actually get killed by rain and way faster, which really makes you think twice before equipping yourself for fight and exploring. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Guy000 Posted April 24, 2022 Author Share Posted April 24, 2022 5 hours ago, Mike23Ua said: Someone earlier was complaining about dying to rain while fighting the Ancient Guardian- Personally I found that to be hilarious.. because they should’ve been using WX78’s new infinite Moggles circuit, while the head slot is occupied by the rain preventing Eyebrella. Ah yes, the famous day 10 eyebrella, silly me. And how could I forget the fact, that everybody brings body armour to ruins instead of football helmets, right Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, Random Guy000 said: Ah yes, the famous day 10 eyebrella, silly me. And how could I forget the fact, that everybody brings body armour to ruins instead of football helmets, right Maybe.. don’t try to rush ruins by day 10 if you don’t have the proper gear for it? Just some advice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourthLess Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Random Guy000 said: Ah yes, the famous day 10 eyebrella, silly me. And how could I forget the fact, that everybody brings body armour to ruins instead of football helmets, right Mike is being silky as always but he's not that wrong. It doesn't have to be an eyebrella, normal umbrella + football helmet is enough to reach 100% wetness protection. So I think it's fine that a character who had an incredibly easy times in ruins might need to prepare a little bit more(basically just 2 silk since you're getting pig skin anyway) now because of his downisde. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatt Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 I think one of the existing downsides that I've not seen mentioned is the cooldown on circuit change. If all 6 slots are unplugged, it takes more than 1 day to refill the electricity juice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinDFruit Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Isn't over 15 wetness killing you in 1 minute a downside big enough? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Guy000 Posted April 24, 2022 Author Share Posted April 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, kevinysc said: Isn't over 15 wetness killing you in 1 minute a downside big enough? It's too random and practically non existent after the first winter Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzumetaPraline Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Perhaps they could make that snowfalls slowly increase wetness (but never goes over, say, 20, which is above WX's threshold but not enough to make you freeze/go insane) unless you wear a hat? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1562991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 9 hours ago, AzumetaPraline said: Perhaps they could make that snowfalls slowly increase wetness (but never goes over, say, 20, which is above WX's threshold but not enough to make you freeze/go insane) unless you wear a hat? "Above Wx's threshold" means you're taking 2x the dps of freezing and rapidly losing charge. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/139580-looking-for-a-downside-for-wx-78/#findComment-1563081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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