Birdcage OP

[_Q_]

The scale of things is great. I have only 14 berry bushes. How long will you survive with 14 berry bushes scattered through the world, the same amount of carrots? After walking around for 3 days I was able to gather enough twigs and grass to make a trap for rabbits. But you must mind your every grass and twig you are using, its better to make campfire for the night than using torches, cause once you run out of twigs its game over, and burning stuff with torch can destroy random grass or twigs. 14 beery bushes.2 bee hives. 2 pig houses. That was nice world, until building a birdcage.

[gpmandaXD]

NAH. you can place berries on the ground and kill them while they try to eat them no waste at all, not even berries are wasted i think its not opBUT i would LIKE to see a change, imagine this:redbird: drops eggs if fed with morselscrow: drops eggs if fed with monster meat or duriansnowbird: drops eggs if fed with MEAT (the one dropped by beefaloes ,pigs,tallbirds ,etc. you know what i mean) (to make winter even harder)redbird dies in winter and snowbird gets cooked on summer(assuming they add different seasons)crow eggs spoil fastersnowbird eggs spoil slower

[_Q_]

NAH. you can place berries on the ground and kill them while they try to eat them no waste at all, not even berries are wasted i think its not opBUT i would LIKE to see a change, imagine this:redbird: drops eggs if fed with morselscrow: drops eggs if fed with monster meat or duriansnowbird: drops eggs if fed with MEAT (the one dropped by beefaloes ,pigs,tallbirds ,etc. you know what i mean) (to make winter even harder)redbird dies in winter and snowbird gets cooked on summer(assuming they add different seasons)crow eggs spoil fastersnowbird eggs spoil slower

I can't tell witch bird is currently in a cage by looking at code, if I could the mod with caged birds dropping feathers would be out long ago. 3 different kinds of eggs, to much coding.

[Pokey]

The scale of things is great. I have only 14 berry bushes.

How long will you survive with 14 berry bushes scattered through the world, the same amount of carrots?

After walking around for 3 days I was able to gather enough twigs and grass to make a trap for rabbits.

But you must mind your every grass and twig you are using, its better to make campfire for the night than using torches, cause once you run out of twigs its game over, and burning stuff with torch can destroy random grass or twigs.

14 beery bushes.

2 bee hives.

2 pig houses.

That was nice world, until building a birdcage.

You see, this is why your issue has no bearing on Don't Starve at all, you're not even playing Don't Starve you're playing your own game. You can't call something OP when you insert it into the game you're playing which, again, is not Don't Starve.

[ManofShadows]

Maybe they could add a whole bunch of customization features. Like create a thread or something and get a bunch of feedback on what players would like to customize. For instance you can set eggs to use/not use morsels, meat, and monster meat. This seems like the only way to please everyone, and if it does get nerfed there will be threads created about the Birdcage being underpowered.

[Doctor H. Derp]

Birdcage is now most OP thing in whole game. Give 3 monster meat to caged bird you will get 3 eggs add 1 monster meat to that and you have meat balls. There is no limit of meat bird will accept, bird will give eggs in every season, every day. Now you can just live farming some spiders at dusk, and trade some of monster meat for eggs.Needs some limit to this madness.

I actually agree with Q.Lorewise, it's pretty well established that monster meat is bad for you with the way the Pig King rejects it, regular pigs turn into werepigs if they consume too much, and it hurts your health if you eat it.Furthermore, we do already have the crockpot which can already turn at least one piece of monster meat into something edible per recipe.This idea of being able to transform 4 pieces of monster meat instantaneously, at will, with no consequences does seem a bit too much.I like the idea of having "werebirds" or something if you feed too many pieces of monster meat to birds, but then again, trading morsels for eggs or something just seems like an arbitrary step to get a food item... unless you're shooting for gunpowder. So... maybe have a timer on how much meat a bird can accept? Maybe once or twice per day?Someone might argue that players will just make a huge array of birdcages to compensate, and they might, just like now people will build 6 bee boxes if they really feel they're not producing enough honey.

[_Q_]

You see, this is why your issue has no bearing on Don't Starve at all, you're not even playing Don't Starve you're playing your own game. You can't call something OP when you insert it into the game you're playing which, again, is not Don't Starve.

The birdcage works the same way in default game, so I don't get your point.

Its still to strong even for default game, in other case I wouldn't bother to make a thread for it.

Refreshing spoiled eggs and meat, changing monster meat into good filler without any limits.

You should try custom settings game.

[Doctor H. Derp]

You see, this is why your issue has no bearing on Don't Starve at all, you're not even playing Don't Starve you're playing your own game. You can't call something OP when you insert it into the game you're playing which, again, is not Don't Starve.

I think you miss the point of Q's contention.

Q's saying that he's already limited himself so much and he still has trouble starving in a game called Don't Starve of all things. Dismissing his point out of hand simply on the basis that he's super hardcore is unfair.

[asdfghjjkl]

Um, well, my problem with these complaints are....A. Eggs barely restore any hunger! sticks make better fillers.B. Without transferring monster meat to eggs, monster meat is completely useless. Kinda like zombie flesh in minecraft... You never use it... So possibly, debuffing eggs would be the best idea..

[_Q_]

Um, well, my problem with these complaints are....A. Eggs barely restore any hunger! sticks make better fillers.B. Without transferring monster meat to eggs, monster meat is completely useless. Kinda like zombie flesh in minecraft... You never use it... So possibly, debuffing eggs would be the best idea..

You just made this exploit even better, now all you need is 3 monster meat, change 2 to eggs and add 1 twigs and 1 monster meat. You can use 2 monster meat if you find some mushroom to fill 1 spot. 1 monster meat, 1 egg, 1 mushroom and twigs. You can always put 1 monster meat and other 3 non monster items into the crock pot. With drying rack you can save tons of monster meat for 40 days and always save some honey or other fillers you are using. We can save so much food.

[gnarlytreeman]

i didn't know you could refresh eggs like that, yeah bird cage does need to get fixed, perhaps the bird shouldn't be able to eat monster meat, while that would impact my personal gameplay, it would still be easily doable to get eggs from morsels or some such, another option would be if you feed the bird veggies regularly it could poop out an egg instead of the random seed. then it wouldn't be so much of a meat laundry machine.if it indeed breaks the game with resources set so low, then in all honesty that does need to change. However for the time being _q_ i'm going to ignore your valid point and enjoy the birdcage as it is lol.also, as a general rule, the game is too easy food wise, this prompts a different question, how come the dev's are focusing more on puzzles, mobs, climate, etc.. and less on making it actually difficult to get full?the most probable reason is this, if the food resourcing was too scarce, there would be very few people willing to play long term, simply due to the fact that it would be generally an endless grind with no rewards, if the game difficulty gets too high, people will undoubtedly get frustrated and quit, so be careful what we as a community ask for. i do not think the birdcage falls into this cateory though.

[chuisfree]

I actually agree with _Q_ in that the birdcage can be exploited and it should be fixed. I think the overall point is that the birdcage CAN be exploited (so it's not a matter of whether you choose to do it or not; it's an exploit) so it should be fixed, and we need to talk about it now so it can be fixed while it's still in beta.However, there's a chance for everyone to learn a quick forum etiquette lesson: if the way you deliver your message on these forums (and probably on the internet in general) is really obnoxious you will "rub people the wrong way". If you try a less opinionated approach, you'd not only gain more support and open dialogue, you'd have less people immediately against you just because of your delivery. Food for thought.

Edited April 2, 2013 by chuisfree
Make it less personal

[Wolf Gang]

You just made this exploit even better, now all you need is 3 monster meat, change 2 to eggs and add 1 twigs and 1 monster meat. You can use 2 monster meat if you find some mushroom to fill 1 spot. 1 monster meat, 1 egg, 1 mushroom and twigs. You can always put 1 monster meat and other 3 non monster items into the crock pot. With drying rack you can save tons of monster meat for 40 days and always save some honey or other fillers you are using. We can save so much food.

But don't you want to save so much food? I mean the game IS called Don't Starve why are you complaining about the thing you need to survive? "Oh the game will be too easy". Not really, since you have to fight monsters to get monster meat. I also see how the main reason you think the birdcage is OP is because its a filler for meatballs. Well then all fillers are OP since twigs can regrow?So in order to get the best of both worlds, maybe the bird can only poop one egg a day,as its on par with the rabbits since they spawn after one day. But the thing is, the birdcage is pretty expensive to make but traps aren't. My final conclusion, leave it as is (and make something even more OP MWAHAHHAHAAH)

[gpmandaXD]

wellP, i don't think this is an exploit anyways, devs made it like that because of a reason, monster meat is a little bit difficult to get, since pigs will mostly eat it, and there is a low chance that a beefalo herd will spawn right next to a spider den,i rarely get 15 monster meat (that in eggs should be enough like to feed wilson for a day) if there is an exploit they should fix is the pond area, that area with a ****load of ponds that spawns like 300 frogs a day, if there is a reason because i only get 40 or 45 frog legs every day its because i don't have enough time to get more

SCREENSHOT(NOT MINE):

in the world im currently playing on the same kind of area has 3 times more ponds

[sansavarous]

WAIT JUST A GOD DAMN MINUTE.OP you scream like a stuck pig that the birdcage is over powered in the default game and you don't even play the default game?Then you say you mod the game and you even make a mod to increase the power of the birdcage?There are many people who play this game on default and are very happy playing it. If you're not happy with the game and have the ability to change it so you are happy, WTF are you complaining for?I smell troll + hypocrite... ewwww.And I think you're lying about being so skilled that you set your resources to the lowest settings.If you want to prove you're so uber and the game is too easy try these settings.no food.start season winter.only night.lots of rain.huge map.long winter.lots of lightning.no animals.lots of monsters.no resources.Is that hard enough for you?

[Palpetinus]

OP you scream like a stuck pig that the birdcage is over powered in the default game and you don't even play the default game?

This is exactly what seems so very wrong about this post.

[_Q_]

@ sansavarous reported and added to ignore list.Refreshing every piece of meat without any limits is now perfectly balanced and intended feature of the game.Frog legs is also meat.

Edited April 3, 2013 by _Q_

[Khrayfish]

Just because it's easy for you doesn't mean it's easy for someone else. You can always simply stop using the bird cage but it appears your willpower is too weak to do so so you demand that the devs change the game so you can't use this exploit any longer.

[Palpetinus]

Just because it's easy for you doesn't mean it's easy for someone else. You can always simply stop using the bird cage but it appears your willpower is too weak to do so so you demand that the devs change the game so you can't use this exploit any longer.

He (and many others) don't demand that the game gets changed, we give feedback on what's balanced and what's not. You see, this is actually a Beta and the devs want the feedback..

[Dichotomy]

WAIT JUST A GOD DAMN MINUTE.OP you scream like a stuck pig that the birdcage is over powered in the default game and you don't even play the default game?Then you say you mod the game and you even make a mod to increase the power of the birdcage?There are many people who play this game on default and are very happy playing it. If you're not happy with the game and have the ability to change it so you are happy, WTF are you complaining for?I smell troll + hypocrite... ewwww.And I think you're lying about being so skilled that you set your resources to the lowest settings.If you want to prove you're so uber and the game is too easy try these settings.no food.start season winter.only night.lots of rain.huge map.long winter.lots of lightning.no animals.lots of monsters.no resources.Is that hard enough for you?

1. That's a little harsh don't you think ? Just because someone has a different viewpoint does not mean they are a troll. _Q_ has an established post set that commonly refers to game balance. Is he/she strongly opinionated ; yes. A troll ; not in my opinion. 2. As for the Bird Cage MOD I believe he made that to prove a point. That's not a hypocrite, its an example to prove a point. (FTR From a brief look at the lua if it is just altering drops it likely took him 5 minutes to do).3. Finally I wouldn't judge what someone else can or cannot do based on what you can/cannot do. I have seen people do things in games that I could never pull off, because they either put the time in or are just plain better at it. Don't Starve is not that difficult that it isn't conceivable that someone on the planet could ever play the way _Q_ claims. As for your world example, what was the point. Its clearly a silly scenario designed to punctuate a facetious viewpoint.If you have an opinion on the Birdcage I for one would like to read it, perhaps you have a good counter argument.I do hope you read this post in the vain in which it was writ; that is one of disagreement rather then disaffection.

[LadyD]

Behave or I will CLOSE this thread.

[osadat]

Lol. You don't see this as OP thing?This is broken. Maybe like pigs with veggies but faster and for longer periods of time. Building more than 1 birdcage is not hard in game on default settings, but I play on modded very low resource map, managed to build 1 birdcage on second summer, and it brakes the whole game, there is no way I will starve now, all food problems ended with single birdcage. Its so broken.

a resting time should fix this, like maybe after a dozen eggs the the bird will not be able to lay eggs for another 5 days or something.^ numbers subject to change.

[ArcticFox789]

Behave or I will CLOSE this thread.

Please do...

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Anyway, here's how I see it. [MENTION=5551]_Q_[/MENTION] thinks the Birdcage is OP, and based on what I've heard seen and tried, he's correct. Other people have also correctly pointed out that Pond Areas, and Traps are also, incredibly OP.

BIRDCAGE

Exploit - Trade in 3 Monster Meat for Eggs, put in Crock Pot with 1 other Monster Meat, you have Meatballs.

Simplest Solution - Birds will no longer accept Monster Meat, or Eggs.

TRAPS

Exploit - Easy to craft, multi-use item, requires no research, virtually placing it on a Rabbit Hole is a guarenteed Morsel.

Simplest Solution - Rabbits will avoid the Trap unless it is baited with a Carrot. Also Trap is one-use.

POND AREAS

Exploit - Loads of Frogs spawn, easy to kill, around 40-45 Frog Legs obtained by spending a day there.

Simplest Solution - Make sure that Ponds in Pond Areas are Mosquito ponds, not Frog Ponds.

Edited April 3, 2013 by ArcticFox789
Punctuation Error.

[_Q_]

BIRDCAGE

Exploit - Trade in 3 Monster Meat for Eggs, put in Crock Pot with 1 other Monster Meat, you have Meatballs.

Simplest Solution - Birds will no longer accept Monster Meat.

Birds should also not accept eggs, so that endless refresh exploit is gone.

I vote for [MENTION=584]LadyD[/MENTION].

[ArcticFox789]

Birds should also not accept eggs, so that endless refresh exploit is gone.

Wait, do you mean that Birds will accept near spoiled Eggs and lay a fresh one?