Sturm58 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Hi guys. As there is a lot of discussion about what is an exploit and what is not real physics I would like you to list those that you see. I am in no way a purist who things that the game shoudl represent real world - I am just curious how you use those undealistic behaviours for your advantage in game. Let me start: Deleting heat - this is not possible in the real world. The energy has to go somewhere Aquatuner always deleting 14C no matter the specific heat of a liquid Getting infinite enegry from rocket taking off to asteroid orbit only (fixed in latest patch) Critters pooping less then they eat (btw can this be used to delete heat or will it heat up the animal?) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 These are not "unrealistic". These are ONI Physics! ONI can _never_ model standard Physics because, you know, it is 2-dimensional and that should be at the very start of your list. Hence it is clear from the beginning that this is all a using fundamentally different model and hence there is no problem. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1498739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegroundbelow Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Critters pooping less than they eat is not unrealistic. Do you think that your poop has as much mass as the food you eat? A lot of that mass is metabolized and converted into energy. And the only unrealistic thing about aquatuners mechanics is that they take the same amount of time to drop everything by 14C. The amount of heat they release into their surroundings is always proportionate to the SHC of the liquid being cooled, though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Got drip? I play AU version. Now that's some quality exploit right there! Abyssalite tiles? Hell yea! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinhPham Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Real life steam turbine does delete heat though ... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabberworld Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 hours ago, cpy said: Got drip? I play AU version. Now that's some quality exploit right there! Abyssalite tiles? Hell yea! you not necessary need AU version. it was possible use Abyssalite tiles up to 285480 version Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Well if you want you can play it, if you have any more insights on version history I can add some important notes to that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvenil Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 8 hours ago, MinhPham said: Real life steam turbine does delete heat though ... To be precise it converts thermal energy into mechanical work. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakemw Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Dupes breath from specific gas tiles next to them, as if they have a long proboscis that can suck air from the tiles. Here's an example of what I mean. Say you have a carbon dioxide tile containing 1000 zombie spores next to an oxygen tile containing no zombie spores, a naked dupe is standing in the carbon dioxide tile. The dupe has no problem at all breathing just from the clean oxygen tile next to him, and is at zero risk of breathing in any zombie spores from the tile he is standing in for the simple reason that a dupe is unable to breath carbon dioxide so will never try to breath from a carbon dioxide tile. Another case this occurs is when you have a dupe underwater next to an airflow tile containing polluted oxygen or oxygen, they can somehow suck air out of the airflow tile, though that is also the wack physics of airflow tiles. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Well tile that can let gas through but not liquid is some voodoo magic itself. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm58 Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share Posted October 7, 2021 57 minutes ago, cpy said: Well tile that can let gas through but not liquid is some voodoo magic itself. Gore-Tex can Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck986 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 9/27/2021 at 11:37 AM, Sturm58 said: Aquatuner always deleting 14C no matter the specific heat of a liquid uh, it's not - it just moves heat from liquid which passes through to its surroundings. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegroundbelow Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 13 hours ago, arvenil said: To be precise it converts thermal energy into mechanical work. Indirectly (in that the thermal energy doesn't actually have any affect on the steam engine, it's the resulting steam pressure), but yeah. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Sturm58 said: Gore-Tex can Heresy! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumPion Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Combustion doesn't require oxygen Hydrogen generator is magic (cold fusion I guess) Steam turbine doesn't look like a turbine, it looks like a piston engine (ok this one is just art, not physics) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Air pressure does not match water pressure. You can't make underwater chambers. Also pressure does not work, 1g of water can hold back pressure of 1000Kg CO2. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Yeah, the pressure thing can be kinda crazy and can lead to some fantastic engineering feats.. like escher fountains. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat1188 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Surprised nobody has mentioned liquid locks or deleting mass. As far as I know, if the pressure is higher on one side than the other wouldn't the gas on the high pressure side bubble through to the low pressure side? Also, if you build a room that can only be accessed via a liquid lock, and fill the room with tiles, then de-construct the tiles, you end of with a vacuum, deleting any gas that was previously inside that room. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakemw Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 5 hours ago, madcat1188 said: As far as I know, if the pressure is higher on one side than the other wouldn't the gas on the high pressure side bubble through to the low pressure side? I think this partly depends on the properties of the liquid, but the pressure differential can also just push the liquid (for example, mercury barometer) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 8 hours ago, madcat1188 said: Surprised nobody has mentioned liquid locks or deleting mass. As far as I know, if the pressure is higher on one side than the other wouldn't the gas on the high pressure side bubble through to the low pressure side? Also, if you build a room that can only be accessed via a liquid lock, and fill the room with tiles, then de-construct the tiles, you end of with a vacuum, deleting any gas that was previously inside that room. Surprisingly you didn't bother reading my post 2 posts above yours. I mentioned that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1502887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee1026 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 3:00 PM, thegroundbelow said: Critters pooping less than they eat is not unrealistic. Do you think that your poop has as much mass as the food you eat? A lot of that mass is metabolized and converted into energy. And the only unrealistic thing about aquatuners mechanics is that they take the same amount of time to drop everything by 14C. The amount of heat they release into their surroundings is always proportionate to the SHC of the liquid being cooled, though. At the human level, conservation of mass is going to happen. Some of the mass is converted into energy, but e=mc^2 being what it is, the mass deletion is essentially below our abilities to measure at human scales. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1503041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadenSwallow Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 I believe what the post regarding 'excretion mass' was referring to, was that a not insignificant proportion of what you excrete will actually be CO2, H2O and urine (burnt 'carbon' and hydrogen from carbohydrates, deamination of proteins into ammonium which is further converted into urea). What 'passes through' will be fibre - composed of things that we can't absorb and use, because our bodies will absorb all that it can as previous evolutionary pressures meant that we wouldn't necessarily know when the next meal was coming. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1503413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat1188 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Sorry I missed your post, cpy. What about moving liquids or gasses through pipes without any energy cost? You can cycle liquids through any length of pipe endlessly just with a liquid bridge. I've always felt there should be some sort of pump that does that. Deodorizers needing 5W of power makes sense to me, since they would need some sort of fan to suck the polluted oxygen in. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1503789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 In this kind of games, belts and pipes never use any energy. I guess it's for performance reasons? And I love my performance in games. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1503809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewWorldDan Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Manipulating the game's physics is the game. At first glance, ONI looks like a cute little colony builder. That's just the window dressing that sucks you in. The next level is the resource management. What happens when you suddenly run out of an essential resource and your food supply crashes or you don't have enough water to run your electrolyzers. Finally you start learning all the subtle intricacies of the physics. If a liquid condenses in an air flow tile, where will it end up? How do you make a bead pump. Infinite storage. How do you manage heat without brute force AT/ST cooling? This game is an engineering game that is completely unmatched and these are all legitimate ways to play. And every time I think I'm done with this game, something comes along that makes me reevaluate how I run my colony. I avoid actual exploits - like the time we could deconstruct spacefarer modules for free steel and diamond. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/133988-exploits-and-unrealistic-physics-for-fun-only/#findComment-1504343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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