Is it just me or are Gnarwails really hard to tame?

[Yuuko]

10 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Honestly controllers actually have more buttons then a mouse (KB not so much.. but Mouse oh certainly!) Klei can easily fix this by you know maybe playing some actual console games looking at HOW those work and going from there?

The major advantage of the mouse isn't the number of buttons it has, its the dexterity you can use it with.  This is why many prefer pc for fps games, and rts pretty much break trying to limit them to controller.  But that's not all!  My mouse has like 12 buttons on the side, in addition to right, left and center mouse, and the wheel with its only left and right tilt switches.  My keyboard also has macro support to record and play back inputs at a touch of a button.  Maybe talk to your console producer about kb/m support XD

Spoiler

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Depending on how common touch pads are on game controllers that is something Klei could look into...  But I don't think they're common place enough yet.

[Mysterious box]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

 

No one is trying to sweep console issues under the rug they're saying we shouldn't ruin one group's experience so another feels better about theirs you've been suggesting harming the pc experience in the name of equality despite only having one side make sacrifices and even then ones that wouldn't effect the other side in a meaningful way.

Also a mouse and keyboard are a set you can't consider them exclusive for this game and I could see hold and tap controls getting real confusing real fast even more so mid combat.

[Mike23Ua]

7 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

No one is trying to sweep console issues under the rug they're saying we shouldn't ruin one group's experience so another feels better about theirs you've been suggesting harming the pc experience in the name of equality despite only having one side make sacrifices and even then ones that wouldn't effect the other side in a meaningful way.

Because I play games that have already done it? Minecraft, Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1+2, GTA V if you want to play Cross-Platform play: Sacrifices must be made.

there’s no workaround around it, you either lose something in the sake of playing with a friend (which should far outweigh anything you may have to sacrifice) or you simply don’t play with that friend at all..

And I can PROVE it- Can the Xbox 360 version of GTA V play with people playing the Xbox One version? No no it can’t.. and if you look at the differences between those two games you’ll see why- GTA V 360 Edition did not ever even get an actual casino you can go into.. it’s been awhile so many people probably don’t even remember that- but it’s truth, GTA V 360 Edition isn’t even compatible with Xbox One version.

Minecraft? Minecraft actually did have an Xbox One Edition once- that was later completely discontinued for a brand new Bedrock edition.

And when you buy THPS 1+2 you get the last Gen version free so you can still play the game (albeit with some stripped features & performance) with your friends too poor to upgrade consoles.

Your looking at this from a “Why should I need to sacrifice this?” Perspective when I’m giving you clear and highly straightforward examples of it being done before in the past.

Im not asking “Why” I’m showing “How” Because it’s been done before, it pretty much has to be done that way. And don’t think for one second that while playing cross-play you’d have access to your mods- because nope those have to go too.

Maybe your different from Me.. I don’t really know.. but when my friends couldn’t play GTA V with me because I bought a NEW Console and the game was being updated with amazing new content that completely blew away the old version… I still kept my old Xbox Console just so when those friends wanted to play I could go back to the Inferior version of the game and play with them.

Your trying to argue “why should we sacrifice?” When I’m telling you the “I’ve seen it happen many times before so prepare for it & expect it.”

None of that has anything to do with this threads topic though- except for the fact there’s a lot of differences between Console and PC version of this game that need to be looked into, done better or just keep the two versions from ever being compatible with one another at all..

(See above GTA V example)

Klei has even OFFICIALLY stated that the Xbox Series X/S and PS5 consoles are fully capable of the same features PC has (like more and tons for world Gen choices) But because SONY won’t allow them to update the game to have any features different from the PS4 version- They can’t give us those features…

They would have to literally release a NEW version of the game and basically pull a Minecraft switching from Xbox One Edition- To Bedrock Edition.

Its not a question of “why should I?” It’s a question of “What WILL I?”

[douan33]

Is it too late for me to state an opinion about the Gnarwail thing 

[zacqiang]

7 hours ago, Szczuku said:

Is it just me or are Gnarwails really hard to tame encounter?

A Rockjaw a day keeps you on your feet all day.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

there’s no workaround around it, you either lose something in the sake of playing with a friend (which should far outweigh anything you may have to sacrifice) or you simply don’t play with that friend at all..

or have friends smart enough to know pc>console

[HowlVoid]

2 hours ago, douan33 said:

Is it too late for me to state an opinion about the Gnarwail thing 

Opinions are like farts, if it don't stink let 'er riiiiiiip.

But we wont know if its stinky or not 'till we get a whiff. 

[Mysterious box]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Because I play games that have already done it? Minecraft, Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1+2, GTA V if you want to play Cross-Platform play: Sacrifices must be made.

there’s no workaround around it, you either lose something in the sake of playing with a friend (which should far outweigh anything you may have to sacrifice) or you simply don’t play with that friend at all..

And I can PROVE it- Can the Xbox 360 version of GTA V play with people playing the Xbox One version? No no it can’t.. and if you look at the differences between those two games you’ll see why- GTA V 360 Edition did not ever even get an actual casino you can go into.. it’s been awhile so many people probably don’t even remember that- but it’s truth, GTA V 360 Edition isn’t even compatible with Xbox One version.

Minecraft? Minecraft actually did have an Xbox One Edition once- that was later completely discontinued for a brand new Bedrock edition.

And when you buy THPS 1+2 you get the last Gen version free so you can still play the game (albeit with some stripped features & performance) with your friends too poor to upgrade consoles.

Your looking at this from a “Why should I need to sacrifice this?” Perspective when I’m giving you clear and highly straightforward examples of it being done before in the past.

Im not asking “Why” I’m showing “How” Because it’s been done before, it pretty much has to be done that way. And don’t think for one second that while playing cross-play you’d have access to your mods- because nope those have to go too.

Maybe your different from Me.. I don’t really know.. but when my friends couldn’t play GTA V with me because I bought a NEW Console and the game was being updated with amazing new content that completely blew away the old version… I still kept my old Xbox Console just so when those friends wanted to play I could go back to the Inferior version of the game and play with them.

Your trying to argue “why should we sacrifice?” When I’m telling you the “I’ve seen it happen many times before so prepare for it & expect it.”

None of that has anything to do with this threads topic though- except for the fact there’s a lot of differences between Console and PC version of this game that need to be looked into, done better or just keep the two versions from ever being compatible with one another at all..

(See above GTA V example)

Klei has even OFFICIALLY stated that the Xbox Series X/S and PS5 consoles are fully capable of the same features PC has (like more and tons for world Gen choices) But because SONY won’t allow them to update the game to have any features different from the PS4 version- They can’t give us those features…

They would have to literally release a NEW version of the game and basically pull a Minecraft switching from Xbox One Edition- To Bedrock Edition.

Its not a question of “why should I?” It’s a question of “What WILL I?”

Your bringing up changes based on graphical limitations but what you suggest is removing gameplay mechanics to make it seem more fair would you also be ok with removing the console lock on system as pc does not have this as it would be for the sake of a even experience. Pc player using a mouse does not effect the player using a controller as far as I'm understanding.

[Mike23Ua]

13 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Your bringing up changes based on graphical limitations but what you suggest is removing gameplay mechanics to make it seem more fair would you also be ok with removing the console lock on system as pc does not have this as it would be for the sake of a even experience. Pc player using a mouse does not effect the player using a controller as far as I'm understanding.

Yes. Because if you know anything at all about the 3 games I used as my examples- it extends far beyond prettier graphics, Actual gameplay features have to be lost to play with those old consoles.. Maps, Game Modes, Playable Characters and MORE… that’s just the way it’s ALWAYS Been even with MINECRAFT Minecraft literally had to release a new version of their game that ran through a Windows App and completely discontinue all old versions of the game.

Rockstar even discontinues updates for the old version of their game when they release it on new hardware, which means- To play GTA V with your friend who plays on 360 you can’t play the expanded and enhanced edition, you actually need to play 360 edition.

I’ve even provided you an example almost directly from Klei themselves when I stated PS5 and Series X/S are capable of the lots & tons options & larger world sizes- this information came from Klei themselves when they commented in a PS5 questions thread some time back ago. The only issue? SONY refuses to let them update the game to have any features that are separate from the PS4 without having to literally pull a Minecraft and release an entirely separate PS5 version of the game.

This should be an obvious indicator that when you play with your friends who are on Xbox One or PS4- The size of your world, the customization choices you have in world Gen options and the amount of players allowed to play the game together: Will have to be limited to what the old console is capable of unless Klei hosts some universal servers and let those last Gen players join them as a “client” or something whatever that means..

if I can find the devs official reply I’ll link it here later.

[Mysterious box]

12 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Maps, Game Modes, Playable Characters and MORE

I'm not seeing controls however at any point did those games have to change the way they controlled to match other versions

[JoSmoCoolStuf]

10 hours ago, SadeceAtakan said:

Please tell me how to tame these animals. I wasted so much time. 

Place boat structures in a circular pattern. Use chests to plug gaps. 

Let it jump into your boat. 

It will then be stuck to your boat wherever you go, scaring away cookie cutters. 

[HowlVoid]

1 hour ago, JoSmoCoolStuf said:

Place boat structures in a circular pattern. Use chests to plug gaps. 

Let it jump into your boat. 

It will then be stuck to your boat wherever you go, scaring away cookie cutters. 

Ok I gotta ask because I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. Are you the real josmoe or are you an I M P O S T E R.

[douan33]

4 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

Ok I gotta ask because I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. Are you the real josmoe or are you an I M P O S T E R.

Imposter. It's hard to believe he came back after years of not saying anything to reply in a topic about Gnarwails.

[Notecja]

21 hours ago, SadeceAtakan said:

3- I waited for the night so it could sleep. I couldn't feed it while it was sleeping. When the morning came, guess what, it woke up and ran away once again.

Somehow I few times managed to do that that way, but I am PC player.

[Mike23Ua]

11 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

I'm not seeing controls however at any point did those games have to change the way they controlled to match other versions

Those other games still played universally the same way regardless of the controller choice you choose to use- With DST it’s different because which type of controller you use is directly impacting what your actual in Game gameplay capabilities are.

Essentially turning the game into two different versions of itself If the controller/mouse your using didn’t have major differences in what actually happens during actual GAMEPLAY then I suppose you could play with as little as an IPhone’s touch screen controls and there wouldn’t be much difference..

Except with DST THERE CLEARLY IS and it’s no ones fault but Klei’s for designing a game for PC players first and foremost while completely overlooking what that game is actually capable of on a Xbox/Playstation controller.

By the way I’m still waiting for someone who actually works at Klei to chime their opinion in within this thread and tell us console players HOW we can do things like Give Pigs Clever Disguises while playing as Wurt or drag meat over their bodies to Tame Gnarwhails.

 

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

Those other games still played universally the same way regardless of the controller choice you choose to use- With DST it’s different because which type of controller you use is directly impacting what your actual in Game gameplay capabilities are.

Essentially turning the game into two different versions of itself If the controller/mouse your using didn’t have major differences in what actually happens during actual GAMEPLAY then I suppose you could play with as little as an IPhone’s touch screen controls and there wouldn’t be much difference..

Except with DST THERE CLEARLY IS and it’s no ones fault but Klei’s for designing a game for PC players first and foremost while completely overlooking what that game is actually capable of on a Xbox/Playstation controller.

By the way I’m still waiting for someone who actually works at Klei to chime their opinion in within this thread and tell us console players HOW we can do things like Give Pigs Clever Disguises while playing as Wurt or drag meat over their bodies to Tame Gnarwhails.

 

No matter how they did it controllers were going to have limitations with this style of game because there are aspects controllers cannot mimic for example have you tried playing a shooter with a controller vs a mouse? Dst is in a similar situation there are work around Kiel could probaly do but it'll likely never feel as smooth as using a mouse for this style of game.

[GelatinousCube]

So klei, can you please fix gnarwails on console next patch?

[QuartzBeam]

Tbh, the only point of being able to tame Gnarwhals is luring them towards the boat so you can whack them and remove their horns.

[Mike23Ua]

6 minutes ago, QuartzBeam said:

Tbh, the only point of being able to tame Gnarwhals is luring them towards the boat so you can whack them and remove their horns.

This isn’t true either, unless your just cruel.. didn’t the patch notes say they would float around helping fight stuff and nudging stuff in the ocean towards you? If Gnarwhails don’t do any of that then what Do they do when tamed?

Im only causing as much of a big deal over it because I thought taming them had them swim around ramming things with their horn to “throw” them onto your boat for you, like Kelp, Pearls Bottles, Driftwood etc.. less painfully slow Oar rowing.

But if that’s NOT what tamed Gnarwhails do.. what Do they actually Do? As a console player- Who wasn’t even aware it was possible to tame them at all.. I obviously have no clue.

11 minutes ago, GelatinousCube said:

So klei, can you please fix gnarwails on console next patch?

I don’t think it’s JUST Gnarwhails… how the heck do I give a pig a clever disguise so it stops punching Wurt if I have to be within spear slapping distance of him to do it?

[Yuuko]

13 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I don’t think it’s JUST Gnarwhails… how the heck do I give a pig a clever disguise so it stops punching Wurt if I have to be within spear slapping distance of him to do it?

You have to walk up to them on pc too.  The technique is to dodge their attack then run in and perform the action.  You can do this to feed monster meats to pigs as any of the monster characters, or to give disguises to them.  Although I'm not sure why you would give a pig a clever diguise...  I thought you wore that so they stopped attacking you...  but I haven't played wurt so I may not know what's up there sry.

[QuartzBeam]

17 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

This isn’t true either, unless your just cruel.. didn’t the patch notes say they would float around helping fight stuff and nudging stuff in the ocean towards you? If Gnarwhails don’t do any of that then what Do they do when tamed?

Gnarwails help you kill enemies the same way that detonating a nuclear bomb right next to you helps you kill enemies.

The only attack Gnarwails have sends waves in every direction. Waves are really bad for your boat, especially if you are in a salt stack biome. So the Gnarwail ends up doing more harm than the Cookie Cutters it was trying to protect you from.

Oh, and the item throwing is next to useless. It's extremely sporadic and quite inaccurate. Like, the Gnarwail might toss you 3-4 items per day. Gnarwails also have no sense of priority. You might be thinking about all those salt crystals you can't get to, but the Gnarwail will more often than not decide to "help" you by tossing you those seeds a puffin just dropped over there.

Basically, Gnarwails only had 2 jobs and they suck at both. Oh, and they'll still eat any fish swimming around while following you, so you can't even catch any for yourself with them around.

2 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

 Although I'm not sure why you would give a pig a clever diguise...  I thought you wore that so they stopped attacking you...  but I haven't played wurt so I may not know what's up there sry.

Yeah, for some reason, Pigs become neutral to Wurt if they are wearing a Clever Disguise. You can feed them too, though you can't recruit them. But that's clearly not their intended use, what with it making no sense whatsoever.

[Mike23Ua]

5 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

You have to walk up to them on pc too.  The technique is to dodge their attack then run in and perform the action.  You can do this to feed monster meats to pigs as any of the monster characters, or to give disguises to them.  Although I'm not sure why you would give a pig a clever diguise...  I thought you wore that so they stopped attacking you...  but I haven't played wurt so I may not know what's up there sry.

Oh man no the clever disguise makes things look like a Merm, it’s so you can craft and hand those out to people who aren’t Wurt (actual human players) so they don’t get punched to death by Merms when they enter an entire Swamp Kingdom full of them but thank you for telling me HOW to give them to Mobs. 

5 minutes ago, QuartzBeam said:

Gnarwails help you kill enemies the same way that detonating a nuclear bomb right next to you helps you kill enemies.

The only attack Gnarwails have sends waves in every direction. Waves are really bad for your boat, especially if you are in a salt stack biome. So the Gnarwail ends up doing more harm than the Cookie Cutters it was trying to protect you from.

Oh, and the item throwing is next to useless. It's extremely sporadic and quite inaccurate. Like, the Gnarwail might toss you 3-4 items per day. Gnarwails also have no sense of priority. You might be thinking about all those salt crystals you can't get to, but the Gnarwail will more often than not decide to "help" you by tossing you those seeds a puffin just dropped over there.

Basically, Gnarwails only had 2 jobs and they suck at both.

This is sad to hear.. I thought Gnarwhails would be quite amazing to have around  

[Mysterious box]

14 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

You have to walk up to them on pc too.  The technique is to dodge their attack then run in and perform the action.  You can do this to feed monster meats to pigs as any of the monster characters, or to give disguises to them.  Although I'm not sure why you would give a pig a clever diguise...  I thought you wore that so they stopped attacking you...  but I haven't played wurt so I may not know what's up there sry.

The main intended use of the clever disguise is to allow non Wurts to use merm followers and interact with the merm king however it mostly goes unused due to it being a hat that rots and can only be made by Wurt so it ends up being too tedious for both Wurt and non Wurts. That being said one thing it can be useful for is the merm tag overriding every other character tag meaning you can use it to aggro pigs or use it to allow webber and wortox to interact with bunnymen.

[Dextops]

52 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

how the heck do I give a pig a clever disguise so it stops punching Wurt if I have to be within spear slapping distance of him to do it?

that makes no sense and if you are able to somehow then ???

[Mysterious box]

10 minutes ago, Dextops said:

that makes no sense and if you are able to somehow then ???