greggbert Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Is there any downside to using 500C petroleum in the generator? Will it overheat the generator faster than 80C, for example? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebbie Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I think it's at least not supposed to affect the generator's heat while in storage; just make sure to use insulated pipes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1252199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satyrical364 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, greggbert said: Is there any downside to using 500C petroleum in the generator? Will it overheat the generator faster than 80C, for example? Naw, I had a set up once where I dumped heat into petroleum and then sent it off to generator just prior to boiling, and they were fine (didn't overheat). If it sits in the pipe for any considerable amount of time, I'd definitely recommend using at least ceramic insulated pipe though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1252229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellshound38 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 The downside is you could have used it pre-heat crude to save energy on boiling. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1252239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobucles Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 500C in, 500C out. You're asking for a lot of pain. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1252246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggbert Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, bobucles said: 500C in, 500C out. You're asking for a lot of pain. 500C what out? It's a petroleum generator..... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1252251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sktzofreak101 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, greggbert said: 500C what out? It's a petroleum generator..... I think the CO2 temp is dependent on liquid intake temp since it is a byproduct, that or the Pwater. I'm not positive though, I couldn't tell you which buildings output at fixed, not fixed, or minimum + source temps. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1252259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebbie Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Both outputs are based on the generator temperature with a minimum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1252292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobucles Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 hours ago, greggbert said: 500C what out? It's a petroleum generator..... heaps of Polluted Water scalding steam and CO2. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1252311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WanderingKid Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 @bobucles Keep the generator cool and you don't have that issue, the input is not a direct correlation to the output. It's based on the generator temp, as @Nebbie mentioned above. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1252312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Alternatively, use a 500C capable gas crusher to make a system that does not have any exhaust. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1252320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
erso Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 8/30/2019 at 7:11 PM, greggbert said: Is there any downside to using 500C petroleum in the generator? Will it overheat the generator faster than 80C, for example? You loose a lot of energy from steam. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 8/30/2019 at 6:35 PM, bobucles said: heaps of Polluted Water scalding steam and CO2. Nope. On 8/30/2019 at 1:11 PM, greggbert said: Is there any downside to using 500C petroleum in the generator? Will it overheat the generator faster than 80C, for example? Any downside to deleting heat is that the heat could be used for power. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLW Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, bleeter6 said: Any downside to deleting heat is that the heat could be used for power. Does the petroleum generator delete heat? I thought it was slightly heat-multiplying? ...oh, are you talking about it burning ethanol? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avc15 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 8/30/2019 at 2:07 PM, Nebbie said: Both outputs are based on the generator temperature with a minimum. This is right, just go into the build menu, select the generator you want, hover mouse over outputs. A 2nd tooltip pops up explaining the rules. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, TLW said: Does the petroleum generator delete heat? I thought it was slightly heat-multiplying? ...oh, are you talking about it burning ethanol? The generator makes heat when running, but its not related to the input liquid. Any heat that they generate pales in comparison to the amount removed when 500C petroleum is used up. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLW Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, bleeter6 said: Any heat that they generate pales in comparison to the amount removed when 500C petroleum is used up. I am confused. It takes in 2kg/s of petrol, for a total of 3520DTU/K/s. It outputs 500g/s of CO2 (423DTU/K/s) and 750g/s of PH2O (3134.25 DTU/K/s) at the petrol temperature. (Note: this is hard to measure, as the output immediately transfers temperature to/from the building.) All told that's a net of 37.25DTU/K/s. So yes, it is slightly heat-multiplying. ...are you assuming that the CO2 is outputted at a fixed temperature? Because it hasn't been that way for a while. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, TLW said: I am confused. It takes in 2kg/s of petrol, for a total of 3520DTU/K/s. It outputs 500g/s of CO2 (423DTU/K/s) and 750g/s of PH2O (3134.25 DTU/K/s) at the petrol temperature. (Note: this is hard to measure, as the output immediately transfers temperature to/from the building.) All told that's a net of 37.25DTU/K/s. So yes, it is slightly heat-multiplying. ...are you assuming that the CO2 is outputted at a fixed temperature? Because it hasn't been that way for a while. Wait...they changed the generators too? Good thing I haven't been using them then, lol. And they've never been at a fixed temp. It's always been the temp of the machine. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLW Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Just now, bleeter6 said: Wait...they changed the generators too? Yeah. Essentially everything now has a fixed minimum output temperature, but no fixed maximum output temperature. It's essentially the worst of both worlds, and means that I'm copy-pasting the same aquatuner+steam turbine setup everywhere. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, TLW said: Yeah. Essentially everything now has a fixed minimum output temperature, but no fixed maximum output temperature. It's essentially the worst of both worlds, and means that I'm copy-pasting the same aquatuner+steam turbine setup everywhere. Just tested it. You're wrong, petrol gens are unchanged. Petrol Test.sav Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanthraSW Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 No, the petroleum generator outputs at the temperature of the petroleum generator or 40C whichever is higher. In ONI, if a material has a temperature greater than 125C, you can get a little under 1 Joule per KDTU from it by powering a steam turbine with the heat. At 3.5kDTU/K/s for 2kg/s at 500C times 375 K (the temp change down to 125C) is around 1300W of power from steam before using the fuel in the petroleum generator. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLW Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 hours ago, bleeter6 said: Just tested it. You're wrong, petrol gens are unchanged. Petrol Test.sav Note my previous comment: "(Note: this is hard to measure, as the output immediately transfers temperature to/from the building.)" Notice how the petrol generator is heating up, slowly (among other things, you have a lot of thermal mass from the drywall.) Heat the petrol generator to 250C and try again. Edit: it may be the temperature of the building that affects it, not the input directly. Hmm. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 "It takes in 2kg/s of petrol, for a total of 3520DTU/K/s. It outputs 500g/s of CO2 (423DTU/K/s) and 750g/s of PH2O (3134.25 DTU/K/s) at the petrol temperature. (Note: this is hard to measure, as the output immediately transfers temperature to/from the building.)" This is your comment that I was testing, so why would I heat the generator to 250C? That will just further prove my point that the OP will be fine using 500C petrol in his generators. The generator is heating up because the building itself generates heat. Like the vast majority of buildings in the game. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobucles Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 After a quick test, the output temperature is clearly around the level of the generator. 500C petroleum input, a -150C generator, and ~40C output. Keep the petroleum hot, the pipes well insulated and keep the generator cooled to erase a lot of heat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WanderingKid Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 It is the building, not the petro. It is literally in the tooltip. Or hotter if the *building* is hotter. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111165-is-there-any-downside-to-using-500c-petroleum-in-the-generator/#findComment-1253469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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