Best Insulation method for pipes.

[Segato]

I am trying to move some cool (-20C) petroleoum from the AETN to the Oxygen Generation Room, the problem is they are too far and even with Igneous Rock Insulation Pipes am loosing cold. It will help if I build an Insulation tile over the pipe?

Does it worth to use ceramic for this?

If I abuse of pipe bridges will I loose less cold? (Since it "teleport" the liquid)

[chemie]

Dont build tiles on pipe.. have the pipe only on air, avoid ladders or debris or anything.  best would be low pressure.  Then wait, it will lose a lot at the start but improve as the new pipe reaches equilibrium

[bobucles]

Solid tile seems to transmit heat even faster than regular pipes in the open air. 

One option is to freeze every square inch of space between the AETN and the target. That's probably a bit too much to handle.

Another option is to bring the pipes directly up into the space layer, where you can take advantage of vacuum's perfect insulation. The pipes themselves still have to be COLD, or they will soak heat into the gas. Normal or radiant pipes are easier to forcibly cool down.

Another option is to perform all the cooling directly on site. Use thermo regulators and thermo aquatuners to chill the petrol on site, then export the excess heat into the AETN room for disposal. Steam turbines are a bit more effective for this type of solution.

The Oxygen generation room could also be dragged closer to the AETN. Water piping isn't too dangerous, unless you're piping around super hot water which WILL start cooking everything around it. Long temperature-dependent piping is just a bad idea in general.

Ceramic is a more powerful insulator over igneous rock. Start burning clay in the kiln, deodorizers also make clay.

[Segato]

" Water piping isn't too dangerous, unless you're piping around super hot water which WILL start cooking everything around it. "

Thats exactly the reason why I dont want to put the Oxygen room next to the AETN.

Doest it work If I make my own Vacum with 2 titles next to the pipe?

[Rhogar]

8 minutes ago, Segato said:

Doest it work If I make my own Vacum with 2 titles next to the pipe?

Vacuum is a perfect insulator.

 

Pump hot o2 to the aetn and counter flow cold up?

[chemie]

With aquatuner and steam turbine, you really dont need aetn and can do your cooling locally.  PW works fine as coolant for oxygen for your base.

[Lurve]

34 minutes ago, Segato said:

I am trying to move some cool (-20C) petroleoum from the AETN to the Oxygen Generation Room, the problem is they are too far and even with Igneous Rock Insulation Pipes am loosing cold. It will help if I build an Insulation tile over the pipe?

Does it worth to use ceramic for this?

If I abuse of pipe bridges will I loose less cold? (Since it "teleport" the liquid)

Your coolant is going to cool the pipes at first, so don't take the first packets' temperature as an equilibrium.  When it does stabilize you shouldn't be losing much heat to the environment, which is what counts.

[Nitroturtle]

Is the petroleum backed up and keeping the pipe from flowing?  Not sure of your setup, or if your petro is flowing and still losing too much heat.  If it sits in the pipe, it's much harder to keep it from transferring heat from the surroundings.   If you build a reservoir near your oxygen production, you can use a liquid sensor to determine when the reseroir is empty and only have liquid flowing when needed by using an on-demand supply setup.

[Satyrical364]

Mafic rock is 2x as effective as igneous rock and is the mineral found in rust biome.

[Segato]

2 minutes ago, Satyrical364 said:

Mafic rock is 2x as effective as igneous rock and is the mineral found in rust biome.

You sure? Thats new for me.

[SharraShimada]

21 minutes ago, Segato said:

You sure? Thats new for me.

thermal conductiviy 1000 (M.R.) to 2000 (I.R.). Lower value means less heat is transfered in the same time. In the long run its irrelevant, because both materials will level at some point.

[Satyrical364]

45 minutes ago, SharraShimada said:

thermal conductiviy 1000 (M.R.) to 2000 (I.R.). Lower value means less heat is transfered in the same time. In the long run its irrelevant, because both materials will level at some point.

That's completely incorrect. The contents of the conduit and the conduit may level eventually (MANY THOUSANDS OF CYCLES), but the stuff outside the conduit will not. It will always be relevant and mafic rock is quite nice.

[KittenIsAGeek]

5 hours ago, Segato said:

Igneous Rock Insulation Pipes

Insulated igneous rock has a thermal conductivity of 0.02.  Which is pretty high.  Insulated ceramic pipes will have a thermal conductivity of 0.006, which is much better.  Insulation pipes (made from space materials and abyssalite) have a thermal conductivity of 0.000.  

So, if you're running pipes where the contents have to remain at temperature, the best material is Insulation.  However, Ceramic works very nicely for most scenarios.

[avc15]

best solution is to not pump the pipe full. use automation to send only enough for your cooler to just match how much fluid it needs, to arrive at the cooler just in time. That way your cooling fluid isn't sitting idle in long pipes that cross your hot base, it flows quickly from your AETN to the load and arrives just in time to do work.

here's how I do that, personally. It's just two packet stackers in line with each other on the sending & receiving ends with an automation wire between them. (also saves frames for complex piping systems)

But yes, to answer your question directly, an insulated pipe inside an insulated tile will be more insulated.

 

[Bedna]

Don't overthink the cooling when it comes to AETN and electrolyzers. Electrolyzers destroys some of the heat (or there is a max limit on how much heat it outputs nomatter the temperature of the input water). Hydrogen generators also destroys heat so the temperature of the hyrdrogen is of less importance.

Look at my base for example. I have been running the polymer press for at least 250 cycles constantly and the temperature of the oxygen (that I obviously cool using the AETN and radiat gas pipes) is now at 21c. It used to be at around 0 - 5c therefore the short strip of "normal" pipes otherwise the oxygen was TOO cold.

I have about 40 tonnes of plastic so when I turn it of, the temperature lowers DRASTICALLY.

As you can see its SUPER HOT in the room, but as said, don't overthink too much. All I use is ignious rock (insulated) and granite (normal) and a few radiant in gold.. That's all you need.

[SixbySix]

Create a tub of water to run radiant gas pipes carrying your oxygen through them.  Much more stable temp once the water gets the temp you want.  Run the coolant through the tub with radiant liquid pipes in an endless loop.  You can get a very stable temp for you oxygen output. 

 

6x6

[MorsDux]

The insulated pipes are 400kg and they exchange heat with the piped material with a different algorithn than the pipes change heat between them and the gas/tile on them. You will find that pipes quickly cool down to around -20 and then they will stop heating up your petroleum by noticable amount. Even in vacuum you will lose heat to the pipes themselves that is why in vacuum its best to use normal pipes. 

 

If you are the minmaxer type go with a vacuum pipe layout that wont lose cold at all (after the initial equalizing)

[SamuraiJones]

I find regular pipes in insulated tiles tend to perform at least as good as insulated pipes. Maybe better, although that may depend on your materials. That's what I typically use when I'm moving liquid oxygen/hydrogen for rockets.