kurzaen Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Well, we don't NEED to, but just hear me out.. In 3 weeks from now, ONI will be officially released. This means that plenty of newer player will be looking for information, and most likely be directed to the ONI Wikipedia. and I probably don't have to tell you this, but the wiki is Kinda Massively out of date. And (same thing as when I started playing ONI a while ago) Didn't start looking of the forums, I started looking on the wiki, instead. So, in order to help the new guys, I think we should all try and update the wiki as best as we can, even if its just one page, or adding an image. Some things will need to be explained how the work, like liquid tepidizers. When I started, I though it just destroyed heat, I learned that from the wiki. I didn't realize it generated a ton or heat and ended up making part of my base super hot. I just think that if we all just updated a single page of the wiki so far, we could help the newer players in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightinggale Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 I already mentioned some issues on this topic. Rather than copying myself I will just quote it in this (newer) thread as it's more appropriate for the topic. 2 hours ago, Nightinggale said: I think so. Ideally the wiki should be up to date for the newest release at all time. It isn't right now. Also navigation is a bit wonky. Take for instance Power. It's a good page, but if you click on the Steam Turbine, you will notice that both category and effect in the overview box links to Power. However despite being named the same, they link to two different pages. This makes it very confusing. At the bottom you can see which tags the building has and the steam turbine is a generator. Sounds right, but if you click it, you will get to a page with just the steam turbine as in no other power producing building has been tagged as generator. The steam turbine states that it requires at least 125 C steam to start, but if you click on steam in that line you will get to a page about steam, which states the steam turbine requires 226.9 C. It would be wise to not talk about the steam turbine mechanics on the steam page, only mention that the steam turbine relies on steam and if people want to know more, they can click on the steam turbine link. In general information about a building, concept, element or whatever should be on the page for the item in question, not spread across multiple pages. The exception is overview pages, which can list multiple items, like the metal refinery, which lists temperature increase in commonly used materials. The wiki is a gem even for veteran players. Sure we can remember all the buildings, but I bet none of us can remember all the math mentioned on the wiki, like the amount of DTUs required by the steam turbine to make one joule. I'm approaching 1k played hours and I still haven't grown completely passed the wiki. Another issue I just noticed is the power transformer. The small transformer is outdated while the large transformer has a description of the transformer concept. That is a stupid layout because new players will read the small one first. Instead both pages should be minimalistic and instead link to a page telling about transformers in general, circuit overload and ideas on how to avoid them. Release or no release, the wiki is in need of an update and a cleanup. Particularly the navigation requires a rethink. Ideally we should have a page for each building category (like Power), a page for each building telling about that building specifically and then pages about tips and strategies on how to use them efficiently. Despite having written all this, I don't think I'm the right person to actually go through the wiki and do all this stuff. The main issue is that for every hour I would spend on the wiki would be an hour less spend on modding. From a community productivity point of view it would be far more efficient if the wiki is maintained by people who wouldn't mod anyway. 20 minutes ago, kurzaen said: I just think that if we all just updated a single page of the wiki so far, we could help the newer players in the future. While I agree with that statement, we should consider a cleanup to make it more clear which purpose each page has and don't try to add more purposes than needed into the same page. Like I mentioned make one page for concept in wire overload, transformer setup etc and then link to that page from transformers wires, power etc. Right now most of what the player needs to know about this is written in the large transformer only, which is not an obvious place to look, particularly not if you haven't figured out the idea in overloading wires and transformers. I'm sure there are plenty of other such issues if you spend the time looking. I just wrote what I noticed based on a quick glance. I skipped the majority of pages, but I have no reason to believe they are of a higher quality than those I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharraShimada Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 The main problem here is, do we get a preview or not? Klei may change some things in the release version. And therefore, every work for the wiki would be in vain. For example, they changed the steam turbine so many times, you find a dozen builds/tutorials in the forums, and all no longer work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmilohill Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 At the very least, the wiki needs to link to oni db, oni assistant, and tools not included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredhp Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, bmilohill said: At the very least, the wiki needs to link to oni db, oni assistant, and tools not included. https://oxygennotincluded.gamepedia.com/Useful_Links I Just created a page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatt Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 i will want to help, but i'm dumb enough to not know how to edit wiki properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 8 hours ago, goatt said: i will want to help, but i'm dumb enough to not know how to edit wiki properly I think I have the same problem and i do not know that much about the game i uploaded a picture of the triage cot in the "buildings" page, but it lacks the grey background the other buildings have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 will do my best to update the wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredhp Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 9 hours ago, goatt said: i will want to help, but i'm dumb enough to not know how to edit wiki properly I don't know how to edit wiki too, in fact that was the first public wiki page i have created in my life. There is full documentation about everything in the mediawiki website: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 It is usually not really difficult. Just try it out and look at other pages if you want inspiration (edit them, but do not save for that). While I have not looked at this specific wiki, they are all more or less the same and are aimed at simplicity. After all "wiki wiki" means "very quick" in the Hawaiian language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Wiki_Shuttle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 there's really some information that needs to be tested on the room's page, it states that a bluff brair in a flower pot can be used in a great hall (decor item requirement), but the flower pot page states that it doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, metallichydra said: on the room's page, it states that a bluff brair in a flower pot can be used in a great hall (decor item requirement), but the flower pot page states that it doesn't work. That`s beacause it was changed a few times. Once the great hall was implemented it worked but a few patches after it didn`t, then an upgrade later it worked again. As for now it works (as long as the plant doesn`t wilt). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sasza22 said: As for now it works (as long as the plant doesn`t wilt). And lots of recent feedback on the forums has pointed to the great hall being too easy to make. So will this change again at release? Who knows. They might completely change the entire great hall. Anyone got a crystal ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, mathmanican said: And lots of recent feedback on the forums has pointed to the great hall being too easy to make. So will this change again at release? Who knows. They might completely change the entire great hall. Anyone got a crystal ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightinggale Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I think it would be best to ignore the upcoming release when updating the wiki. Sure it might require updating some of the pages again once we actually have the next version, but most of the needed changes on the wiki will not need updating. Since we haven't got any word on a public beta yet, we should plan for both the case that it will never be there and for the case that we only have it for a few days. In both cases having a somewhat up to date wiki on release day requires updating prior to access to the pre-release version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 17 hours ago, Sasza22 said: That`s beacause it was changed a few times. Once the great hall was implemented it worked but a few patches after it didn`t, then an upgrade later it worked again. As for now it works (as long as the plant doesn`t wilt). i tried to make a great hall using a bluff brair, but it didnt work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 lets se - did people start updating the oni wiki? Spoiler this is the list of active users on the oni wiki nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Yoyoyo! If anybody needs nice pics of buildings ripped straight from the game files without any filters or magic wand tools, just hit me up! Also check out my ONI datamining forum: Shameless Plug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightinggale Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 38 minutes ago, watermelen671 said: If anybody needs nice pics of buildings ripped straight from the game files without any filters or magic wand tools, just hit me up! It would be even more awesome if you can make graphics go the other way, but I guess we will have to wait for the release to be able to do that. The steam turbine image on the wiki is of the old model. Updating it to the current version would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 17 hours ago, watermelen671 said: Yoyoyo! If anybody needs nice pics of buildings ripped straight from the game files without any filters or magic wand tools, just hit me up! Also check out my ONI datamining forum: Shameless Plug I could use some pictures of sporechids and sporechid seeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 6 hours ago, metallichydra said: I could use some pictures of sporechids and sporechid seeds Spoiler Spoiler 23 hours ago, Nightinggale said: The steam turbine image on the wiki is of the old model. Updating it to the current version would be nice. Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 3 hours ago, watermelen671 said: snip thanks for the pictures. have updated the sporechid (when I started editing the wiki, it was only 2 lines of text (now its 5 and an inbox)) Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 4 hours ago, watermelen671 said: snip is the sporechid referenced as "evil flower" in the game files? need to know to make trivia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, metallichydra said: is the sporechid referenced as "evil flower" in the game files? need to know to make trivia. Yes. It's a bit on the nose though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallichydra Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, watermelen671 said: snip well, guess I can write that it could be a reference to don't starve's evil flowers, or something like that. quite off-topic, but how do you change this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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