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reverentsatyr    886
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Maxwell probably won't be touched for a while, but how would you guys want to see him reworked? I really want to see the sword minions actually good during a fight, but I haven't really thought of anything else.

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Honestly I like him as he is, but his log chopping ability needs to be nerfed, not because it's overpowered, but because it makes Woody useless.  If that were to be changed though, I wonder how he would be buffed...  Shadow duelists would be good, but not enough.

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__IvoCZE__    3,419
1 hour ago, Omaremad74 said:

I call upon the great @Lakurius.

oh no yes, the great owo main has come!

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FreyaMaluk    3,605
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50 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Oh boy, it is the time of the day where i defend my kind, here I go:

Let shadowduelist wear helmets, and helmets only give half of the protection value they give in players. Eg: football helms 40%, Beequeen helm 35%, thul crown 45%, etc.The helmets on them work exactly like they would on a pig: have durability and break. So if you want them protected you have to keep making helmets, which balances out having durable puppets.

I think that is all the fixing he needs, Max is mostly a well rounded and popular character...

Other than that, to make the update flashy enough, maybe a couple of new types of shadow puppets would be cool, or something different new. 

I don't see why they couldn't use helmets on normal durability... Max is pretty squishy and I think he relies hard on transferring aggro for survival.. so why not really. Only think they shouldn't be able to use is thulecite crowns... cuz 4 invincible minions OP

and the cost in NF should increase for balance as well... I think probs 4-6 nightmare fuel

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Stonetribe    381

Do you guys think that it would be too strong if summoning a shadow puppet didn't require a corresponding tool/spear? They'd still be locked into a specific task and it's not like Flint gear is very hard to obtain to begin with. It always just felt really awkward to me for some reason. Also, I'm definitely down with the dualists getting a buff of some sort.

Oh and can I just say how much I love this sudden influx of character revamp discussions? :wilson_smile:

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How in the world could Woodie be made to be better at log chopping than Maxwell?  For that kind of power to be a thing he would either need ridiculous chopping speed and/or AoE chopping abilities, which would be both crazy and make him too comparable to Maxwell, something almost never good from a balance perspective.  While Maxwell does not really need a rework, if Woodie is going to be a decent character, he will need to be changed.

(Stonetribe, I too love this discussion influx, I may make a post about balancing Wickerbottom, but there are simply so many posts out right now!)

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ShadowDuelist    2,664
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3 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

I don't see why they couldn't use helmets on normal durability...

This is for balance purposes given to tests I've made on a mod that did something very similar. In theory, just like you mention, it doesn't sound so bad, but in practice its just too OP. Rezecib's mod originally allowed his duelists get full damage protection from helmets (80%), and even with a largely reduced regeneration, they would never die. like ever... 

Duelists with 80% protection could tank depth worms on their own, while you handled other things (True story: I was cooking, they handled 3 depth worms, I never moved, it was quite funny...). The thing is that with an 80% armor, even with a slower regeneration, the time they take kiting lets them regenerate to full HP.

Rezecib since then lowered it in his mod to just 25% protection from helmets, with no durability, and a slow regeneration. it makes them resistant but not that much and you have to take care of them a lot still. So I suggest a bit more, half of the original, but with durability, and keeping a faster regeneration, barely slower to what it is now. Less babysitting but minding the fact that if they take too many punches the helmet breaks and they die.

The idea (to my point of view) is that duelists should add DPS to maxwell in all fights, and be able to take a few punches, but you shouldn't just let them carelessly handle things or tank for you. Currently, vanilla duelists can technically add DPS, but the problem is that even a faint breeze kills them, which defeats the purpose of using them entirely since you wasted fuel on a thing that probably was able to land 1 or 2 hits and died. So all they need is a change that lets them live long enough to deal damage for a while.

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I think Maxy's minions should gradually consume nightmare fuel or something over time, so they're not that hyper-efficent at chopping trees and the like.

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FreyaMaluk    3,605
1 hour ago, Loopy Ouroboros said:

I think Maxy's minions should gradually consume nightmare fuel or something over time, so they're not that hyper-efficent at chopping trees and the like.

Tbh I don't agree with the idea of nerfing max to elevate woodie.. 

Max gameplay style is about conjuring minions and if we take that way then he is just the 75 HP guy with a useless book. 

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sinisterrkid    137
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15 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said:

maybe a couple of new types of shadow puppets would be cool, or something different new. 

What about pooping minions? We could use some poop

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4 Da LOLs    1,271
1 hour ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Shadow Chefmaster: it will yell random phrases at you while you use the crockpot, with wigfrids sound effect. It doesnt really cook on its own.

GORDAN MAXY

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x0VERSUS1y    2,415
1 hour ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Shadow Monkey: besides generating one poop a day..

..and throw it at Maxwell, the "I made you a ..pie, masta!" style ;)

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__IvoCZE__    3,419
1 hour ago, BadScra said:

Keep 75 max health, please. I'm agreed to sword minion need buff.

It shouldn't honestly be changed for both balance and lore reasons ( you know, max has heart problems )

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NoscopeFelix    913
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7 minutes ago, Maximum101 said:

I've been looking at Pikmin for a while now and here's a list of the things I think WOULD/WOULDN'T benefit Maxwell more as a leader:

  • Something that fits in with the game, but allows you to get the duelists to stop attacking, immediately (Like stopping them from aggroing random things by accident without having to walk a screen away)(https://www.pikminwiki.com/Whistle)
  • Some type of group moving that fits well into the game, and helps with certain tasks (https://www.pikminwiki.com/Group_move).
  • A slightly bigger number of workers and/or duelists (Probably not the duelists).
  • The ability to dismiss them? (Probably not)(https://www.pikminwiki.com/Dismiss)

Mainly, I want some way to control their movement/what they're doing more as well as a bit of a buff to keep them alive longer.

AGAIN, THIS IS A OPINION AND ISN'T EXACTLY WHAT I THINK WOULD BENEFIT MAXWELL!

Yeah it would be nice if you had to tell your shadow minions what to do and stuff like this , so you feel like your im control. Also being able to tell diggers to dig up certain stuff for example like berry bushes or rabbit holes. I don’t ant maxwell to get stronger (well i don’t really care if he does) I just want him more fun to play with the new rework.

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Stonetribe    381
25 minutes ago, Maximum101 said:

I've been looking at Pikmin for a while now and here's a list of the things I think WOULD/WOULDN'T benefit Maxwell more as a leader:

  • Something that fits in with the game, but allows you to get the duelists to stop attacking, immediately (Like stopping them from aggroing random things by accident without having to walk a screen away)(https://www.pikminwiki.com/Whistle)
  • Some type of group moving that fits well into the game, and helps with certain tasks (https://www.pikminwiki.com/Group_move).
  • A slightly bigger number of workers and/or duelists (Probably not the duelists).
  • The ability to dismiss them? (Probably not)(https://www.pikminwiki.com/Dismiss)

Mainly, I want some way to control their movement/what they're doing more as well as a bit of a buff to keep them alive longer.

AGAIN, THIS IS A OPINION AND ISN'T EXACTLY WHAT I THINK WOULD BENEFIT MAXWELL!

But god damn do I love me some Pikmin! :wilson_flower:

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