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Theory about Wagstaff and how he might play a big role in the Don't Starve lore

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oCrapaCreeper    3,071

Disclamer: This is all speculation from my crazy mind. I base it off evidence, but at the end of the day we don't know everything and I am certainly wrong about some parts.

With the reveal of the "next of kin" short, not only do we learn how Winona got into the constant, but also what happened to Robert Wagstaff, the found of the Voxola Radio Company, the factory Winona works for, who also made the radio Maxwell used to communicate with Wilson, and create the Divining Rod.

First off, let's just get the record straight: The person who got pulled into the machine as Winona entered the room is Wagstaff. Some people think it's some random factory worker, but if you dig deep enough, you will find the evidence that would prove it was infact him:


Flash back to 6 years ago, Kevin made this post regarding The Voxola radio Maxwell used to communicate with Wilson:

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The radio is a Voxola PR-76, manufactured in 1919 by the Voxola Radio company of Sidney, Ohio. The radio offered revolutionary sound and reception quality for the time, and was promoted by an intense national marketing campaign. Very few units were actually produced, because the factory was destroyed in a fire only days after production began. Voxola founder Robert Wagstaff went missing the night of the fire, and the company declared bankruptcy soon thereafter.

Wagstaff indeed went missing the night his factory burned now, merely days after he started production of the Voxola radios. Perhaps pulled into a strange realm by strange machinery he created? Let's backtrack a little. The short appears to take place before Charlie took the throne, as she is not wearing her Queen attire and her personality still seems to be overpowered by the shadows. Maxwell was the one on the throne at the time. He had to have been. The radio's were only in production for a few days before the factory burned down in 1919. Wilson was captured in 1921, so all of this had already happened before Wilson was pulled into the Constant.

Now, why is Wagstaff involved in all this? I think the answer is rather simple: He already took an interest in the shadows and the technology/dark magic They protect. That's how he created radio's that had the ability to let someone from the Constant communicate with real world. He had to have obtained the knowledge somehow, as Maxwell most likely couldn't have given him the knowledge without the radio in the first place. If you look on his wall, you'll notice this news paper article, with the design for the radio next to it:

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It's a little hard to read the text, but I'm confident it reads "Do evil shadow monsters lurk among us?", with a picture of something that looks similar to a Terrorbeak, eating someone. My theory is, Wagstaff saw this news paper and researched the matter, and eventually learned about Charlie and Maxwell's existance in the Constant, and created these radio's specifically to help them communicate outside the Constant. Whether or not he knew what Maxwell would do with these radio's isn't known of course (i.e telling people how to make a machine that traps them), but that seems like the more conceivable explanation.

So Wagstaff had already researched the shadows, the Constant, etc and made those crazy radios.  Now, why did build the machine when he likely already knew what it would do? I think the answer is, he wanted to go to the Constant. My evidence? Wagstaff's character description from the Hamlet roadmap:

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Beyond Wilba and Wormwood, we will be adding two more characters to the cast: a globetrotting adventurer lost and alone, and a mysterious inventor who finds himself exactly where he wanted to be...

A mysterious inventor, who finds himself exactly where he wanted to be? He let himself get captured, and let his glove slip off when Winona tried to save him. Why he wanted to be in the constant we don't know. Perhaps he had some sort of plan to help try and save Charlie and Maxwell? Winona definitly was not supposed to get captured, Charlie specfically says she did not want her to come to the constant. We don't know yet.

Thanks for reading my crazy theory. Hopefully when Wagstaff gets added to DS, more light will be shred upon this subject. Wagstaff obviously has some sort of big role in the story. 

 

 

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ADM    1,737

Wow, it's some great founds on Wagstaff we got here. Well, where is Wagstaff about to get added so, only Hamlet/DS, only DST, both ?

Or I still don't know how the constent works, why should Winona go in DST and Wagstaff in DS if they both get trapped in the same way, hope he is about to come in both game so ! :wilson_vforvictory:

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FreyaMaluk    4,952
13 hours ago, oCrapaCreeper said:

 

So Wagstaff had already researched the shadows, the Constant, etc and made those crazy radios.. Now, why did build the machine when he likely already knew what it would do? I think the answer is, he wanted to go to the Constant. My evidence? Wagstaff's character description from the Hamlet roadmap:

A mysterious inventor, who finds himself exactly where he wanted to be? He let himself get captured, and let his glove slip off when Winona tried to save him. Why he wanted to be in the constant we don't know. Perhaps he had some sort of plan to help try and save Charlie and Maxwell? Winona definitly was not supposed to get captured, Charlie specfically says she did not want her to come to the constant. We don't know yet.

Thanks for reading my crazy theory. Hopefully when Wagstaff gets added to DS, more light will be shred upon this subject. Wagstaff obviously has some sort of big role in the story. 

 

 

My theory is that Winona asked Wagstaff to help her find her sister Charlie and he got caught in the whole mystery of the constant, magic, shadow creatures, etc. All started with a plead and turned into an obsession. 

The real questions are:

Why is Wagstaff gonna show up in Hamlet and Charlie spawned in DST? This pretty much confirms my suspicion that, contrary to popular believe, DS and DST are all connected lore-wise. Does the constant has two vertices, two ports? Did Winona change something when she repaired the machine? How did the other characters got to the constant? Who did build the machine for them? or did the machine opened some portals around the world?

In the devs stream something was said about Winona being kinda Canadian.. what is that about?

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Zeklo    16,381
10 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

My theory is that Winona asked Wagstaff to help her find her sister Charlie and he got caught in the whole mystery of the constant, magic, shadow creatures, etc. All started with a plead and turned into an obsession. 

The issue here is the series of events and mystery lead to Voxola. For some reason Voxola was suspicious before Winona even worked there.

11 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

Why is Wagstaff gonna show up in Hamlet and Charlie spawned in DST? This pretty much confirms my suspicion that, contrary to popular believe, DS and DST are all connected lore-wise. Does the constant has two vertices, two ports? Did Winona change something when she repaired the machine?

I mean, DS & DST have always been connected. One takes place in the past, while the other is further along.

As far as why they ended up in different places this has been addressed on stream. In short "time works differently in the Constant". 

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FreyaMaluk    4,952
2 hours ago, Zeklo said:

The issue here is the series of events and mystery lead to Voxola. For some reason Voxola was suspicious before Winona even worked there.

I mean, DS & DST have always been connected. One takes place in the past, while the other is further along.

As far as why they ended up in different places this has been addressed on stream. In short "time works differently in the Constant". 

Most people in the forums hold the theory that DS and DST lore are separated. Well... that before the Winona's vid. Not me as I said before, I always thought they were connected. 

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Zeklo    16,381
Just now, FreyaMaluk said:

Most people in the forums hold the theory that DS and DST lore are separated. Well... that before the Winona's vid.

I'm kinda fighting anecdotal evidence with more anecdotal evidence but that's the first time I've heard that.

Seemed pretty common to me for people to know that DS > Adventure Mode > Cyclum > DST

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Tapirus    1,670
25 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

Most people in the forums hold the theory that DS and DST lore are separated. Well... that before the Winona's vid.

Actually Zeklo is right, there's a lot of people (not all) who said the events of DS & DST happens in the same world. 

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FreyaMaluk    4,952
17 hours ago, oCrapaCreeper said:

Why he wanted to be in the constant we don't know. Perhaps he had some sort of plan to help try and save Charlie and Maxwell?

I think that when Wagstaff get finally released in Hamlet we can establish a much more concrete timeline and the real reason why he wanted to be in the constant and if he had any type of relationship with Maxwell or Charlie.

Maybe Wagstaff became kinda obsessed after watching Maxwell shows and he started researching the potential of the shadows for his radios? or Maybe was Maxwell who was seeking Wagstaff's advice for some engineering devices he couldn't decipher himself from the codex umbra?

Now I don't think that Wagstaff was rescuing Charlie from his own accord unless they had some sort of relationship, which is kinda unprobable as far as we know.

IMO, it makes way more sense that Wagstaff and Maxwell were working together on a new act that involved Wagstaff's engeneering abilities and the knowledge from the Codex Umbra. Then in Winona's investigation of her sister's disappearance, she found a clue that linked Maxwell and Wagstaff tying them together, which is what might have been the reason why Winona wanted to get access to Voxola in the first place.

At this point it's all a bit of speculation, but Winona does have a clue that might link Wagstaff and Maxwell:

"Mysterious fires follow you like a plague"

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ButterStuffed    1,584

I think the reason Wagstaff made the portal in the first place was to find either Woodie and/or Wendy.

Looking at the little tidbits connected together with the red string you can see that the first mention of Wagstaff is connected to Wendy and Abigail's flower, as well as the missing poster for Woodie. 

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Since they are directly connected in the chart it would be reasonable to assume that Wagstaff is connected to Wendy and Woodie in some way. Very possibly in a familial sense with Lucy or being directly blood related.

An interesting thing unrelated to what I was saying before is how both Wendy and Woodie brought an individual they love with them into the Constant. (Or found them in the Constant?) It may just be a coincidence but it should probably be something to consider when we get more lore bits.

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oCrapaCreeper    3,071
3 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

Why is Wagstaff gonna show up in Hamlet

Wagstaff is most likely the character that is going to be added to the base game, not Hamlet specifically. Meaning he'll be a vanilla character not attached to any DLC.

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FreyaMaluk    4,952
31 minutes ago, ButterStuffed said:

I think the reason Wagstaff made the portal in the first place was to find either Woodie and/or Wendy.

Looking at the little tidbits connected together with the red string you can see that the first mention of Wagstaff is connected to Wendy and Abigail's flower, as well as the missing poster for Woodie. 

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Since they are directly connected in the chart it would be reasonable to assume that Wagstaff is connected to Wendy and Woodie in some way. Very possibly in a familial sense with Lucy or being directly blood related.

An interesting thing unrelated to what I was saying before is how both Wendy and Woodie brought an individual they love with them into the Constant. (Or found them in the Constant?) It may just be a coincidence but it should probably be something to consider when we get more lore bits.

I don't think that this chart belongs to Wagstaff, cuz it makes no sense that Wagstaff as "bossman" needs to write something like "gain access to Voxola." He already has the access to everything in there. Most likely, that chart belonged to Winona in her investigation following the disappearance of her sister. I think that Wagstaff and Maxwell were working together.

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oCrapaCreeper    3,071
8 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

I don't think that this chart belongs to Wagstaff, cuz it makes no sense that Wagstaff as "bossman" needs to write something like "gain access to Voxola." He already has the access to everything in there. Most likely, that chart belonged to Winona in her investigation following the disappearance of her sister. I think that Wagstaff and Maxwell were working together.

Considering there is a letter from Charlie on the board, addressed to Winona, I would say it's hers.

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FreyaMaluk    4,952
41 minutes ago, oCrapaCreeper said:

Wagstaff is most likely the character that is going to be added to the base game, not Hamlet specifically. Meaning he'll be a vanilla character not attached to any DLC.

yeap, I meant in general to DS world. if he is attached to Hamlet or Vanilla DS is pretty much irrelevant to the events of the constant. DS world is all connected geographically though the "Worthies" portals. 

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Nolgore    63

Wouldn't it be more likely that Maxwell reached out to Wagstaff and manipulated him into mass producing a radio that was capable of cross-dimensional communication, giving Maxwell a vast "recruitment" pool. Presumably all it would take was promises of forbidden knowledge/power/adventure. 

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ButterStuffed    1,584
1 hour ago, FreyaMaluk said:

I don't think that this chart belongs to Wagstaff, cuz it makes no sense that Wagstaff as "bossman" needs to write something like "gain access to Voxola." He already has the access to everything in there. Most likely, that chart belonged to Winona in her investigation following the disappearance of her sister. I think that Wagstaff and Maxwell were working together.

I never said that Wagstaff made the board. I should have said that the information that Winona gathered implies a connection between Woodie, Wagstaff and Wendy.

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FreyaMaluk    4,952
8 hours ago, Nolgore said:

Wouldn't it be more likely that Maxwell reached out to Wagstaff and manipulated him into mass producing a radio that was capable of cross-dimensional communication, giving Maxwell a vast "recruitment" pool. Presumably all it would take was promises of forbidden knowledge/power/adventure. 

I don't think that Maxwell was that good of an engineer to come up with the idea of "a radio that was capable of cross-dimensional communication." 

From all the William Carter videos, specially the "final act," we can see that Maxwell is pretty much winging it. He doesn't know that much what he is doing, more like trial and error. That's why I believe Max was asking Wagstaff to help him decipher the most technical aspects of the machine's construction. 

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ShadowDuelist    3,661

My 2 cents on this matter: Didnt one of the gorge goats say that "another of your kind passed by" before us? If wagstaff was ahead of the team and has been exploring the worlds and the portal for a while, he may have been to the other universes (Forge, Gorge, Hamlet, Shipwrecked) before eventually meeting the gang.

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FreyaMaluk    4,952
4 minutes ago, minespatch said:

What if Lucy is Wagstaff's sister?588497c65ec72_arielconfusedshrug.png.7e28189e6a68c2fc214fa6e2c0815879.png

LOL maybe... In the following context might make some sense. What I didn't get from the stream was the "Winona is somewhat Canadian" comment. What's that about??

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minespatch    58,244
3 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

"Winona is somewhat Canadian" comment.

Maybe her mother is Canadian while her father is Asian? IT'd explain where Charlie's introduction to the DST with the asian inspired new year events came from. Still... Doesn't explain where Maxwell's fiesta idea came from for Hamlet.:wilson_ecstatic:

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Cytryn7    146
12 hours ago, Zeklo said:

As far as why they ended up in different places this has been addressed on stream. In short "time works differently in the Constant".

Is it confirmed by devs that Winona and Wagstaff weren't appearing in Constant before, because "times works differently in the Constant"? i just want to be sure. If Winona wasn't in the constant before Wilson coming in where was she? And why she didn't go through the portal with other characters, but long time after

33 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

My 2 cents on this matter: Didnt one of the gorge goats say that "another of your kind passed by" before us? If wagstaff was ahead of the team and has been exploring the worlds and the portal for a while, he may have been to the other universes (Forge, Gorge, Hamlet, Shipwrecked) before eventually meeting the gang.

I think Hamlet and Shipwrecked are still in the Constant, but differents continents located in different climates

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FreyaMaluk    4,952
5 minutes ago, minespatch said:

Maybe her mother is Canadian while her father is Asian? IT'd explain where Charlie's introduction to the DST with the asian inspired new year events came from. Still... Doesn't explain where Maxwell's fiesta idea came from for Hamlet.:wilson_ecstatic:

Hmm... Maybe the other way around? The mother has predominant monoloid eyes5c89206b47f5c_Screenshot(342).thumb.png.2f33e5142435432d07b25f0fc744a445.png

9 minutes ago, Cytryn7 said:

Is it confirmed by devs that Winona and Wagstaff weren't appearing in Constant before, because "times works differently in the Constant"? i just want to be sure. If Winona wasn't in the constant before Wilson coming in where was she?

As far as I know:

1919: Voxola Fire (Winona, Wagstaff)

1921: Wilson entered the constant (DS)

14 minutes ago, Cytryn7 said:

I think Hamlet and Shipwrecked are still in the Constant, but differents continents located in different climates

Hmmm tbh the Winona video confirms that DS and DST are connected, but I'm not sure they are in the same timeline or "world." We will have to wait and see what lore Wagstaff is gonna bring with him. I'm pretty damn excited tbh.

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oCrapaCreeper    3,071
On 3/13/2019 at 8:35 AM, FreyaMaluk said:

We will have to wait and see what lore Wagstaff is gonna bring with him. I'm pretty damn excited tbh.

Wagstaff's quotes on certainly things definitely have the chances of answering lots of these questions.

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