ONIfreak Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Hi, So i started new planet. I have been blessed (or cursed i don't know anymore) with so much water on it that i'm running out of ideas what to do with it. Also i left some pool with germy water aside - after 200 cycles when i checked this pool became, well, enormous. ( I setup some way to clean it from germs (and do not change it to clean water - just leave it as is). There are few systems together implemented as after every single one there was tiny bit of water with germs passing through. Finally i manage to implement half of cleaning system (btw @Neotuck thank you soo much for your septic system thread. it just made my day, and thank you guys for dropping ideas there it helped a lot to finally get polluted germy free water). I know i know it is very messy there lol So what happen there is that water goes to 3 containers on left and then to 2 germy sensors (one is not enough and let germs pass through) if there are germy on any sensor - water goes to those multiple containers and fly through there and some back to sensors. at the end water is dropped to pool (for me to check manually if water has germs - this will be removed at some point) and when reach certain lvl open door for some time to let it go. Now my question is - does anyone have any idea how to clean this germy water faster then this system - i literally race this geyser and i'm like 0.5 kg on plus - which, looking at quantity, will take me another year or something. If anyone has any idea how to achieve this apart of cooking it (it is nice 8 degree C approximately - don't want to waste so nice cool water) please share it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigma Cypher Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 If you don't want to boil it maybe you could freeze it all? As I recall the germs die at -15C. Apparently water can go through the phase change temperature in a reservoir without breaking the reservoir, so you could use an aquatuner setup with petroleum or something to get the reservoirs to below -15C, then reheat to above 0C to pipe it out without breaking pipes. You'll still have polluted water of course, but it won't be _germy_ polluted water. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, Sigma Cypher said: If you don't want to boil it maybe you could freeze it all? As I recall the germs die at -15C. Apparently water can go through the phase change temperature in a reservoir without breaking the reservoir, so you could use an aquatuner setup with petroleum or something to get the reservoirs to below -15C, then reheat to above 0C to pipe it out without breaking pipes. This was discussed in my thread reservoirs are well insulated so the temperature change is slow and while it is possible to kill germs this way you use a lot of power to maintain the aquatuners and germs die slowly compared to chlorine Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 Yes. Freezing will be costly. At the moment i build reservoirs inside that pool so at leas some water will get bonus "die on solid". I'm thinking to multiply this setup and try to simplify it so i can do the same using 4 pumps at once. But there is no chlorine geyser on map XD Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 No offence, but that is a terrible system. Don't have the water "race through" have it sit in each tank a while. Two towers of 6 tanks are all you need to purify water (using copies of it for overflow if you really have a tonne of water). Have them sit on mechanised airlocks so that you can disable their output for half a day. The only downside is that water takes 2.5-3 days to pass through, but once you've got water in the system that really doesn't matter as long as your input is somewhat stable. (If your input is really fast, I suppose you could add a couple more clocks and have each tank operate for 1/4 of the time, but then you need twice as many tanks and a whole mess of automation.) Not on a device that can run ONI atm,but the setup goes like this: W = Water Tank C = Clock (Set to half a day) N = Not gate A [N/D] = Airlock [Night/Day] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [W W] [C] [ ] [W W] [A N] [N ] [A D] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [A N] [ ] [ ] [A D] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [A N] [ ] [ ] [A D] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [A N] [ ] [ ] [A D] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [A N] [ ] [ ] [A D] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [W W] [ ] [ ] [W W] [A N] [ ] [ ] [A D] And that'll purify pretty much anything. If you find something it doesn't purify, stick extra tanks onto the bottom until it does. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, Yunru said: No offence, but that is a terrible system. XD i know. I tried few setups before and every time ( even if tank says that is germ free) when i went polluted water to pool it had germs in it. At the moment this gives free water ( i get somehow paranoid with this and check before every drop). I will build what you suggested - hopefully it will give clean water. I think ( and that is my paranoia) when non-germ water is in pipe next to germy water it catch somehow few germs ( and output was really small like 5 ir 10 germs) thats why it is going to 2 different rooms ( before was additional pump there to see water on screen before further manipulation). As you can see there are two ( well three) different systems merge together in this messy chaotic flow - every system by its own gave germy water). Or maybe i'm doing something really wrong XD Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Yunru said: Don't have the water "race through" have it sit in each tank a while. So. apart of fact that you can pump water to reservoir even if it is disabled by airlock your suggestion pretty much did a trick. above problem has been easily solved by liquid shut off and bridge. Now coming back to main thread. Is there a way apart of above setup ( which is faster and cleaner then my "smash a keyboard" system) to clean large amount of water from germs. Or the only way is to multiply this and wait? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 Ok so it looks like above setup multiply by 4 is effecient enough to clean this water. Each circut takes 250w ( pump and shutoff) power so it can be done on single cable. Thank you very much guys for this. I believe this thread can be closed now. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 there is no need to clean water, ever. You can use that water for everything except water cooler (and mush/lice bars). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigma Cypher Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Sorry, we're not done with your thread yet @ONIfreak I agree with chlorine being the superior method. No doubt. And for something less efficient -- how about gulp fish? I never _meant_ to de-germify this water, but it happened anyway when I started using the polluted water tank in a radiator loop for my methane distiller. And each gulp fish is making 200g/s of regular water from polluted water. I'm not sure if the gulp fish de-germifies the water or if the cold temperatures are doing it. I'm losing 44% per cycle in the cold but not frozen water. Started cycle 40-ish at 40 million germs (?I think) and now half the pool is completely clean and the other half has 1000 or so left -- and the dupes do their business in it, not to mention the fish. Disgusting I know... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 never drip germy water into a cistern, let it flow down stairs to enter, drip dropping creates germs in ever tile of compatible liquid passed, its a germ multiplier, using stairs germs tend not to transfer diagonally and a height of six steps is, usually, enough to remove all germs before getting to the bottom step. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Sigma Cypher said: Sorry, we're not done with your thread yet @ONIfreak Lol ok. In regards of gulp fish - there was one in that container at some point - i didn't notice any germ removal. All that area was cold biome which i left aside (thats why i jave so much water now as it is much more beneficial to melt all ice where it is instead of digging it out and loose half amount - i do it with every cold biome so i have large nice container of cold water which just needs to be filtered.) At some poont bottom one had around -9 C but there was too many germs already so i didn't go down fast enough ( amount was jumping and somehow germ kept multiplying and kept arpund 20m germs steady for like 200 cycles. @Kabrute Those reservoiras was setup before i found system to clean it - water from reservoirs move without power - so after i just split it by 3 and send to chlorine room multiplying output without increasing power ( and yes they have 4% bonus of germy water and 4% bonus beong surrpunded by germy water - which is 2x bonus for water being in container surrounded by polluted water. Any gas or any liquid apart of chlorine doesn't kill germs in reservoirs. Overal chlorine was for me the most effecient way since all germs ( 2m or 20m doesn't matter) are 100% killed after 1 cycle. Those reservoirs i setup keep water 1.5 cycle in chlorine ( buffer just in case also qhe. Water move throught pipes it doesn't look like germs are being killed - don't quote me on that). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuhybrid Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 When it comes to cleaning food poisoning, i run it all behind a steam vent then clean it into water. You can do something similar by using an aquatuner to heat it up while also cooling water. There's zero reason for your cool slush geyser to have germs in it, so i don't see a need to fix that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 21 minutes ago, Xuhybrid said: When it comes to cleaning food poisoning, i run it all behind a steam vent then clean it into water. You can do something similar by using an aquatuner to heat it up while also cooling water. There's zero reason for your cool slush geyser to have germs in it, so i don't see a need to fix that. The geyser from pic is not cool slush. It is germy polluted water. The idea about setup was to do it with small amount of power without changing temp ( the highest there was 11 degree C - i didn't want to cook it to kill germs - therefore chlorine was the fastest way with little power ( 250w total) and hassle free when setup to tame that geyser. About this pool i just multiply this setup and clean it faster Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuhybrid Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Ah i see, i've never seen one of those. Sounds like a pain. I wasn't aware chlorine affected liquids. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 and if you built a series of steps from the geyser to the pool and from pool to pool you might be surprised by the results. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Xuhybrid said: Ah i see, i've never seen one of those. Sounds like a pain. I wasn't aware chlorine affected liquids. It is. Especially when you have large pool below and you do not pay attention. I got control over it. I will paste pics tomorrow Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 prepare some green germ water, pour it into your yellow water, see what will happen Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miravlix Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 While I wish it mattered, there is NO REASON EVER TO CLEAN PW! There is no situation where the germs in the water with effect the use of the water. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Miravlix said: While I wish it mattered, there is NO REASON EVER TO CLEAN PW! There is no situation where the germs in the water with effect the use of the water. Agree with that.(apart of pincha farms) I jist don't like to have germy PW at all. I have approach to total anihilate any germs in game just in case. As you can see i jave moxed pool for bot clean and PW - this way clean water doesn't get rid of germs. I know i need to seperate it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 On 28/12/2018 at 3:41 AM, ONIfreak said: So. apart of fact that you can pump water to reservoir even if it is disabled by airlock Ah but that's the beauty of it, if you just add another row, that row acts like a shutoff, and with a massive buffer to boot. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, Yunru said: Ah but that's the beauty of it, if you just add another row, that row acts like a shutoff, and with a massive buffer to boot. True. But timing doesn't allow to take more liquid. I prefer usoling shutoff and redirect flow to get constant water flow whith small gaps of empty pipe rather then have full pipes and just open flow. I think i more enjoy watching fluid move Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miravlix Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 If you wan't to clean stuff just because you want to clean stuff. Then convert PW to water. It's really silly to clean PW where germs grow. Just converting it to water and the germs will die on there own. (To make germs die faster look at the temp range of the two germs, slimelung needs to be cooled and food poisioning heated.) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONIfreak Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 40 minutes ago, Miravlix said: If you wan't to clean stuff just because you want to clean stuff. Then convert PW to water. It's really silly to clean PW where germs grow. Just converting it to water and the germs will die on there own. (To make germs die faster look at the temp range of the two germs, slimelung needs to be cooled and food poisioning heated.) Yep. However it sounds like challange to clean PW from germs only keeping it PW. Especially because PW is precious in this game. Make it clean and usable without having worry about germs is like no 1 for me in game Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taisong Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 This is actually an exploit. If your water is contaminated with food poisoning, you can pour some slimelung-contaminated water so all of the food poisoning germs can disappear. This happens because 2 germs are not allowed to be present at the same time in ANY materials. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/101162-how-to-clean-water-from-germs-in-large-quantities-any-idea/#findComment-1137675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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