Spaghetti Monster SPOM(s). Now with moar SPOM.

[ruhrohraggy]

Hope that response was to him...I got pretty darn close.

If you add in the gas filter to my math...518.4 (system) + 213.5 (gas filter) = 805 kJ. That says 786.

So I was...2.4% off. Woohoo. (Looks like the liquid pump was being lazy, or efficient...)

[lunazone]

I like it

[Craigjw]

Nice job.  What's the reason for the top left empty area?

[Oozinator]

I like your machine, but i like my machine more.
Google tells me, that the perlator is the most efficient SPOM (global) and we all trust google (boston dynamics)!

 

[ruhrohraggy]

18 minutes ago, Craigjw said:

Nice job.  What's the reason for the top left empty area?

Oh, the one filled with hydrogen? I had several lines of thought regarding the uses of having that space there. You can use it for initial setup, where you let it fill with hydrogen, and then pump it into the room on the right after it's been vacuumed out, so you can get better heat transfer. I was also messing around with where to place my wheezeworts...it's kinda leftover really, it's not necessary to the build. More of like...a utility closet.

Even as it is, full of hydrogen, it helps transfer heat away from the gas pumps into the room. *shrug*

[Lurve]

People sure do get tetchy about their setups.

Add me to the list of free range hydrogen builders.  When I need the power I can burn it, until then it's not hurting anything up there in the attic.

[ruhrohraggy]

11 minutes ago, Oozinator said:

I like your machine, but i like my machine more.
Google tells me, that the perlator is the most efficient SPOM (global) and we all trust google (boston dynamics)!
 

We all like our own creations the best :D.

Excuse the dad joke, but that is indeed pretty *cool*.

Nice use of unintended game mechanics.

Also, google says alot of things, but I'm pretty sure it was just listing the title you gave it. :S

And I could care less if someone dislikes any of my setups. Don't like it, don't use it.

If you have actual, potential improvements, I'm all ears. I'll try it out and form an opinion.

But! part of the fun of games like this is creating and sharing builds. Just can't feel like you're insulted when people critique them.

[ruhrohraggy]

Stripped out my old system and built it in my current 8 dupe live run. Went in pretty quick...not too bad. Works great!

 

 

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[N00bieMeap]

I made a not so smaller one base on your  sadly, it don't pull out weird gases  I'm thinking about merging the filter area in the cooling chamber
Here it is:

My Lil Pasta

[Transwarp]

Looks like a great machine, but I miss the explain picture how your filters set to witch elements for work.

[LeftyRighty]

1 hour ago, Transwarp said:

Looks like a great machine, but I miss the explain picture how your filters set to witch elements for work.

[ruhrohraggy]

On 12/8/2018 at 2:42 PM, Transwarp said:

Looks like a great machine, but I miss the explain picture how your filters set to witch elements for work.

Lefty-righty nailed it.

Here's the explanation as to why they are set that way...

First shutoff [Hydrogen] : Snags hydrogen out of line and separates it cleanly. Combines hydrogen in a separate line and sends it to where you want it. This was done using 2 separate lines to avoid any packet slow-down. If you watch the video, you can see that the oxygen really doesn't slow-down at any point inside this system until it backs up.

Second shutoff [Not gate + Oxygen] : Snags any other gas besides oxygen, and sends it to the re-circulation line. The gas-bridge and manual flow-valve you see at the bottom of the system, are used to eject these other gases as you saw in the video. If the system is closed, hydrogen may end up here, but it gets re-circ'd and is no big deal. Open the valve to eject unwanted gas.

Third shutoff [Oxygen] : Filters out the oxygen and sends it to where we need it to go . If the oxygen output gets backed up, it will then flow past it into the re-circulation line and will allow the system to naturally back up / shut off.

This third shutoff saved me the headache of any direct automation for the pumps / electrolyzer.

Fourth Shutoff [Hydrogen] : This leads to the hydrogen generator and AETN and is just an added safety feature. With proper bridging this one isn't needed...It just makes 100% sure that only hydrogen goes that way, since anything other than hydrogen can damage the generator and AETN. Since it doesn't really require power to run it, it's there just in case. I have seen the occasional rogue oxygen packet sneak it's way through though...So I would recommend using it.

On 12/8/2018 at 7:54 AM, N00bieMeap said:

I made a not so smaller one base on your  sadly, it don't pull out weird gases  I'm thinking about merging the filter area in the cooling chamber
Here it is:

My Lil Pasta

Nice work.

 

[LiveYourDreams]

This build is insane.. I almost have it all done. Kinda afraid to press the button! LOL.

[kurgut]

électrolysers room don't need to be cooled, just put them in an isolated one, or surrounded by vacuum, then your wheezworts/AETN will be optimized only for cooling the nice sweet oxygen

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[ruhrohraggy]

5 hours ago, strawberrygirl said:

This build is insane.. I almost have it all done. Kinda afraid to press the button! LOL.

Shouldn't be afraid to press the button. If you set it up correctly it should handle itself np :). The thing is srsly hard to break under normal circumstances.

What I should probably do, is make an expanded flow-diagram to make it easier to see, and leave it up to others to compact it how they choose.

The design I posted is just shrunk to just about as small as you can get it.

4 hours ago, kurgut said:

électrolysers room don't need to be cooled, just put them in an isolated one, or surrounded by vacuum, then your wheezworts/AETN will be optimized only for cooling the nice sweet oxygen

While you can go this route and it will work, since the electrolyzer is outputting constant temperature gas, and it will keep itself cool, it's not great for people like me who tend to feed it heated water for efficient heat deletion.

I cool mine, so that I do not have to care what temperature water I feed it. Mine *did* overheat feeding it 93C water. I was using insulated Igneous...Might work better with insulated ceramic, who knows. I don't really care. It cools itself and the oxygen just fine.

But, like all builds, you have a choice on how to build it. If you want to insulate it, then just build insulation instead of metal tiles, np.

[oosyrag]

How do you keep your electrolyzer from overpressuring? Doesn't look like you're using liquid stacking. When I have my electrolyzer in a near vacuum sealed room with two pumps overpressurization errors still blink in occasionally (not enough to really matter, but I'm curious). Maybe because I have one pump above and one below the electrolyzer?

[ruhrohraggy]

5 minutes ago, oosyrag said:

How do you keep your electrolyzer from overpressuring? Doesn't look like you're using liquid stacking. When I have my electrolyzer in a near vacuum sealed room with two pumps overpressurization errors still blink in occasionally (not enough to really matter, but I'm curious). Maybe because I have one pump above and one below the electrolyzer?

Most likely yeah, since from what I can see, the electroylzer produces gas directly above it, and it takes a little time for gas to move around. I tried different positions for the pumps, 2 directly on top seemed to work the best.

[Nitroturtle]

1 hour ago, ruhrohraggy said:

Most likely yeah, since from what I can see, the electroylzer produces gas directly above it, and it takes a little time for gas to move around. I tried different positions for the pumps, 2 directly on top seemed to work the best.

https://imgur.com/a/HvW7LmQ

This isn't mine, I found it on reddit, but you might find it interesting.

[ruhrohraggy]

8 hours ago, Nitroturtle said:

https://imgur.com/a/HvW7LmQ

This isn't mine, I found it on reddit, but you might find it interesting.

Nice, I like it. Good info. I think someone may have posted the same link earlier, but I had missed it...Oh well...

Looks like you can choose whether or not to favor hydrogen or oxygen.

Now that I'm getting a better feel for late-game problems, I'd probably favor a hydrogen heavy setup.

If I understand that article correctly, and you want nothing to be deleted, then I think this might be the most ideal configuration with the smallest footprint regarding the S'getti munster.

[Sigma Cypher]

Alright - finally got around to building this. I think we might have a different idea about "backing up." If you block one of the outputs the thing comes to a grinding halt - it doesn't keep making O2 if you block H2 and vice versa.  I watched the video again to be sure - it doesn't appear you tried this (for example, remove the O2 vents and see if it keeps passing H2).  It doesn't keep passing gas

Did I do it wrong?

[ruhrohraggy]

24 minutes ago, Sigma Cypher said:

Alright - finally got around to building this. I think we might have a different idea about "backing up." If you block one of the outputs the thing comes to a grinding halt - it doesn't keep making O2 if you block H2 and vice versa.  I watched the video again to be sure - it doesn't appear you tried this (for example, remove the O2 vents and see if it keeps passing H2).  It doesn't keep passing gas

Did I do it wrong?

Not quite sure what you mean. I blocked the main o2 output to base to simulate over-pressured vents. I blocked the excess H2 output line to simulate a full storage. This was done to setup an spom that does not rely on exploiting infinite gas storages, with the assumption that the gas can and will back up at times.

The system WILL stop if you block the o2. It's meant to. I never saw the hydrogen back up after 40 cycles of letting it run with a blocked excess output line. The hydrogen packets just condensed and got recycled through the system over and over.

However, it will start back up on it's own and continue normally once the o2 flows freely again, without any gases going where they're not supposed to, or dupe/player intervention being necessary.

You'd have to show me which areas you blocked and how the system reacted so i could better understand the question, and give a proper response to this.

if it ends up being a design limitation, I'll work on correcting the issue.

And I appreciate you taking the time to build this / provide feedback. Helps out with any troubleshooting I may have overlooked.

[Sigma Cypher]

No it sounds like it works as intended.  And it does start up again gracefully like you said.  I was entertaining a fantasy that it might continue to spit out the H2 even though the O2 was blocked and unfortunately that doesn't happen.  Thanks for quick reply!

[ruhrohraggy]

9 minutes ago, Sigma Cypher said:

No it sounds like it works as intended.  And it does start up again gracefully like you said.  I was entertaining a fantasy that it might continue to spit out the H2 even though the O2 was blocked and unfortunately that doesn't happen.  Thanks for quick reply!

Yeah, wouldn't that be nice :P. Np, glad it's still working as intended :D.

[fishoutofwater]

What if use 3 pumps instead of complicated gas piping and automation?

here an example i try build

vacuum the room, then start the electrolyzer and wait for H and O2 to settle, till hydrogen stay at the top, set atmo sensor for top pump above 300 then buffer for 5s, no filter needed at all.

there weezies for cooling and sucking up oxygen to living area, the rest O2 can go to atmo suit dock.

almost 100% electrolyzer up time.

i'm pretty sure this is still self sustainable.

 

[ruhrohraggy]

3 hours ago, fishoutofwater said:

What if use 3 pumps instead of complicated gas piping and automation?

Then you'd be using 3 pumps instead of 2, and would cost an extra 240watts to do it.

Hydrogen generator is 800 watts @ 100 g/s hydrogen. 240 / 800 = 30% of it's power = 30% more hydrogen used. (Give or take, because your pumps will probably pulse on and off...so results might be on the lower-end)

So that's ~ 30g/s hydrogen lost ==> 18kg / cycle, which couldn't be used to power other things, like lamps...or...rockets.

Also, with the system you've shown, you are forced to spend or store your hydrogen...If it ever backs up, the system will stop in a bad way. No more oxygen = dead dupes.

There is no right or wrong way to do it tbh, unless the system plain doesn't work... It's just a matter of what you want out of it that matters :))

You could do an o2 system with 2 pumps and a gas filter, which would be even easier than what you've done...but... that's 120 extra watts we don't have to spend with a little extra automation / piping.