Oni Noob Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 How many wheeze wort do I need for my polymer press to run non stop? How much kDTU a wheezewort can remove anyway? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katsunari Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 wort can remove 12 kDTU/s if im not missing anything. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, Oni Noob said: How many wheeze wort do I need for my polymer press to run non stop? How much kDTU a wheezewort can remove anyway? Supposedly, wheezeworts provide -12kDTUs of cooling, so you'd need 3 to keep one cold. I can't confirm the math on the wheezewort, as it isn't my data. Wheezeworts provide maximum efficiency when in 2kg/m3 or higher pressure, so you're best method would to be creating a cooling room with wheezeworts in hydrogen, and a cooling loop with radiant pipes to the press. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 I tried this what you think Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher-7 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 You need them in hydrogen. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejams Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I depends on the gas the Wheezewort is in (if sufficient gas pressure, it will cool 1kg/s of the gas by 5°C). So the cooling depends on the specific heat of the gas: 12 kDTU/s in Hydrogen, 11 kDTU/s in Natural Gas, 5 kDTU/s in Oxygen, 4 kDTU/s in CO2. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMFan79 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Keep them submerged in their water and use a pump with an S/R latch to remove excess liquid when it reaches 200kg and you'll be fine. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveYourDreams Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 11:28 PM, crypticorb said: kDTUs It's weird you can google this to try and learn something scientific but nothing comes up but some article about ancient egypt. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, strawberrygirl said: It's weird you can google this to try and learn something scientific but nothing comes up but some article and ancient egypt. My thoughts exactly. When the patch went live I had no flipping clue what "DTU" as a unit of heat or power was, and it's explained nowhere so far as I was able to tell. I understand the reasoning behind why they changed the units away from watts, but the new unit feels... wrong. Particularly when there are perfectly good scientific units for the purpose. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejams Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 @crypticorb It was in the patch notes for Rocketry update: "Heat energy renamed from Watts to DTU/s to acknowledge that the game does not conserve energy when converting from electrical to heat. Thermal conductivity and specific heat capacity units have been updated accordingly." Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, thejams said: @crypticorb It was in the patch notes for Rocketry update: "Heat energy renamed from Watts to DTU/s to acknowledge that the game does not conserve energy when converting from electrical to heat. Thermal conductivity and specific heat capacity units have been updated accordingly." I know that, but why they didn't just use the standard SI units for specific heat capacity and conductivity is beyond me. The previous system was easier to understand. Is watts per meter-kelvin (W/(m⋅K) so hard? Using DTU (Duplicant Thermal Units if I'm correct) is as useless as the Imperial system units of BTU/(hr⋅ft⋅°F). Sure, the game doesn't conserve energy when a structure uses electrical energy and produces heat, but this system seems needlessly obscure. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejams Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Well it's kinda fine IMO to differentiate between electric and heat energy, there is no difference in how you understand/apply the unit (1 DTU = 1 Joule). It's a fantasy game after all Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakuraKoi Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, crypticorb said: Is watts per meter-kelvin (W/(m⋅K) so hard? Well, yes. It sure is no simple unit like meter or kelvin, even Watt is something some have difficulties to imagine. But the problem is not that it is hard or difficult but ironically if one wants to understand and indeed does, it is meaningless here. Conservation of Mass and Energy sure is something the devs aim for but they will disregard it if it helps the balance and fun. Not that I can agree with Water Sleeves deleting heat but that's another matter entirely. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnis Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 hours ago, SakuraKoi said: Water Sleeves deleting heat but that's another matter entirely. The game lacks any meaningful heat removal mechanics. Simplest would be radiating to space but this would not work in The early game Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejams Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 14 hours ago, Carnis said: The game lacks any meaningful heat removal mechanics. Simplest would be radiating to space but this would not work in The early game Depends on what you consider "meaningful". The Steam turbine is both valid (converts heat to electric energy) and significant (deletes 5,8 MDTU/s). Wheezeworts / AETN are fantasy, but quite relevant in the early game. Removing Sieve mechanics will just make transferring heat to some other place more worthwhile. Many machines that delete mass can be used for consequential heat removal. IMO sending materials/heat to the void is the most trivial one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1094776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Use logic to run it most but not all the time. I set it for 45 out of every 60 ticks and you can adjust as needed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1095392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 Thanks for all the tip guys, here is the setup I did. Since I got extra wheezewort, anyway with this setup its running 24/7 now. So much plastic even my dups are eating plastic Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1096382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Not sure why you need the Rube Goldberg level of engineering to keep it cool, this is all I do...it is all I ever do and it runs 24/7 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1096690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Ditto. I put in ice biome, let them sit in their own water, and run 70% of the time. Done. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1096743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredhp Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 On 15/10/2018 at 12:15 PM, Carnis said: The game lacks any meaningful heat removal mechanics. Simplest would be radiating to space but this would not work in The early game The only way i really managed to delete heat in rocket upgrade was using an aquaturner to turn polluted water into steam, losing steam to space - in late game the living area of my base is kept cool this way - outside of the living area exosuits are required. The water is lost, but heat really gets destroyed and the design is kept simple (it is just aquaturner, wall tiles, polluted water, a ceilling exposed to space and simple automation to stop aquaturner until water is refilled. In this case Polluted Water is better than water due to high evaporation temperature - more heat lost. The colder the water, more heat is deleted when evaporates (water from a -10C cold slush geyser is perfect!). Haven't played space industry upgrade preview yet (just done some testing) , but i think the new materials, fluids, high temperature pumps can be very usefull to "delete" heat too....... maybe send that steam to an rocket... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1096748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnis Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I kept a pW pool in 100C with aquatuner inside. Cooled it using water sieve, Works reasonably well but my point was, that outside of water sieve there's barely anything. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1096778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejams Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 There are more choices - Polluted water to Sieve / Fertilizer maker - Water to Carbon skimmer - Crude oil to Refinery - Petroleum / Natural Gas / Hydrogen to generator - Steam generator Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1096792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatt Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 you need to make sure there is some water is on the tile to keep the temperature. Because the temperature of presser changes way too drastically, some liquid can help slow that down. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96492-wheezewort/#findComment-1097295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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