AndreyKl Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, psusi said: Regolith isn't really hot enough for that. It is over 300C, steam turbine requires 226. 3 minutes ago, Saturnus said: Not really, no. Produce glass in space or vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, AndreyKl said: Produce glass in space or vacuum. Still not enough by itself. The problem is that the output temperature is so close to the solidification temperature that even a tiny amount of thermal transfer is enough to break the pipes, and if you repair the pipes you just add more low temperature mass so that just makes it worse. The only way to make it really work is to build it in vacuum but before you build the glass forge, you preheat radiant pipes to 1900-2000K (or at least above the 1700K solidification temperature), and then build the glass forge on top of the preheated radiant pipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 31 minutes ago, AndreyKl said: It is over 300C, steam turbine requires 226. That's very little spread. I suspect you will have a hard time using a passive radiant pipe system to transfer enough heat with so little temperature spread. 20 minutes ago, Saturnus said: The only way to make it really work is to build it in vacuum but before you build the glass forge, you preheat radiant pipes to 1900-2000K (or at least above the 1700K solidification temperature), and then build the glass forge on top of the preheated radiant pipes. Why would you use radiant pipes? And what the hell can you use to preheat it that hot? Does the pipe actually take enough damage to break fully before it heats up enough? One or two hits of damage should be fine if you just disable auto repair and it gets up to temperature. Also you only need two segments of insulated ceramic pipe to get it to a valve so you can limit the flow rate so that it won't cause damage when it does cool enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AndreyKl Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, psusi said: That's very little spread. I suspect you will have a hard time using a passive radiant pipe system to transfer enough heat with so little temperature spread. I have yet to do it myself, but there are enough successful build on forum to know that it can work. And pipes are not the only solution, I was thinking about doors adjusted to bunker tiles or door-pipe combination for better control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Saturnus said: Still not enough by itself. The problem is that the output temperature is so close to the solidification temperature that even a tiny amount of thermal transfer is enough to break the pipes Wouldn`t a really short pipe system work? Like 3 tiles and a vent? I guess ceramic will melt in liquid glass temperatures but is just a few tiles of insulated obsidian enough for it to solidify. I think i have to try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanemadden Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Saturnus said: Not really, no. Have you tested that or are you just assuming? Seems perfectly fine here - the glass only loses a few degrees on the way to the cooling tank travelling through insulated ceramic, and has hundreds of degrees more cooling until solidifying - plenty of room for error unless I'm missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanemadden Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 And speaking of "how to produce X"; I guess we're gonna need a Mercury source to make Super Coolant (I don't see it on any space objects and it's not mentioned as added in the notes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 46 minutes ago, shanemadden said: And speaking of "how to produce X"; I guess we're gonna need a Mercury source to make Super Coolant (I don't see it on any space objects and it's not mentioned as added in the notes). Maybe they`ll finally add mercury to the world. It`s present in the early trailers already so it was planned for a long time. I wonder how will they do it. Will you get liquid mercury resevoirs in the caustic biomes, solid in the ice biomes or some other way to obtain it. I also wonder if it`ll get another function outside the molecular forge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 The description of Gold Amalgam refers to Mercury. Perhaps refining Amalgam into Gold will produce Mercury as a byproduct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flying Fox Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Yes, mercury has been in the game list of elements for a long long time. Even as far back as the first public versions. Back in mid 2017 I made a custom world gen that included mercury in the caustic biomes. Funny thing is dupes could soak up the stuff with their multi-tools (There was no pitcher pumps back then) but then would store the liquid mercury in storage compactors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Sasza22 said: Wouldn`t a really short pipe system work? Like 3 tiles and a vent? I guess ceramic will melt in liquid glass temperatures but is just a few tiles of insulated obsidian enough for it to solidify. I think i have to try it. Ceramic has a lower melting point than glass? That seems wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanemadden Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, psusi said: Ceramic has a lower melting point than glass? That seems wrong. Yup, it's 1850 to melt ceramic and the glass comes out cooler than that (and it'd take the glass a very long time sitting in the pipe to get the pipe near the glass's temp). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 hours ago, shanemadden said: Yup, it's 1850 to melt ceramic and the glass comes out cooler than that (and it'd take the glass a very long time sitting in the pipe to get the pipe near the glass's temp). You mean hotter than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejams Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 11 hours ago, psusi said: Ceramic has a lower melting point than glass? That seems wrong. Glass melts at 1.426,9°C Ceramic melts at 1.849,9°C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 8 hours ago, shanemadden said: Yup, it's 1850 to melt ceramic and the glass comes out cooler than that My bad. I got confused by ceramic getting melted by some volcanoes from a different thread and i assumed it has a lower melting point without checking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanemadden Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, psusi said: You mean hotter than that? No, it comes around 1750 and the pipes aren't at risk until 1850, so the hot output molten glass is still cooler than the melting point of the pipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 19 hours ago, shanemadden said: And speaking of "how to produce X"; I guess we're gonna need a Mercury source to make Super Coolant (I don't see it on any space objects and it's not mentioned as added in the notes). Excellent find. So super coolant is actually impossible to make in the game because mercury doesn't exist as a substance you can actually get in the game. I wonder if any of the other new material super materials have the same flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanemadden Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 24 minutes ago, Saturnus said: Excellent find. So super coolant is actually impossible to make in the game because mercury doesn't exist as a substance you can actually get in the game. I wonder if any of the other new material super materials have the same flaw. Looks like all the others are possible: Tungsten + Niobium makes Thermite Petroleum + Isoresin makes Visco-Gel Abyssalite + Isoresin makes Insulation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Does Klei know that Thermite is a real thing? It's aluminum oxide and it burns quite spectacularly. It's what is pasted on metal sticks and sold as firework "sparklers". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FierceClaws Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Niobium and isoresin are theoretically obtainable but the planets show 0% niobium and 0% isoresin so I don't think they actually work as intended unless you're supposed to gain very very little amounts of it for each trip(which would suck) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 22 hours ago, shanemadden said: Looks like all the others are possible: Tungsten + Niobium makes Thermite Petroleum + Isoresin makes Visco-Gel Abyssalite + Isoresin makes Insulation Are you sure about that? It is actually possible to get Niobium or Isoresin? Has anyone successfully gotten any of the new materials back from the other planets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 34 minutes ago, FierceClaws said: Niobium and isoresin are theoretically obtainable but the planets show 0% niobium and 0% Don`t you need really low amounts to craft new stuff though? Like 1 kg per 100 kg. Maybe the amounts are lower than 1% so it shows as 0 but you can still get a few kilograms per trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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