Parusoid Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 So can someone summarize them? Ive heard that oil no longer boils into nat gas but since there are constant changes I dont know how the things are now Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, Parusoid said: So can someone summarize them? Ive heard that oil no longer boils into nat gas but since there are constant changes I dont know how the things are now Petroleum becomes sour gas, when cooled this gas will become methane and once that is heated it will become natural gas, I do not remember the conversion rate. You also get Sulphur as a byproduct Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Crude oil boils into petroleum. And that has not changed. But now petroleum boils into sour gas and not natural gas. Sour gas needs to be cooled to transform into 70% liquid methane and 30% solid sulfur. Liquid methan can then be heated back to change into natural gas. Solid sulfur can transform into liquid and gas sulfur but has no use... And solid sulfur can't be put in a compactor. So it is still an unfinished material. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Christophlette said: Solid sulfur can transform into liquid and gas sulfur but has no use... And solid sulfur can't be put in a compactor. So it is still an unfinished material. Any idea if it has a good thermal capacity? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, BlueLance said: Any idea if it has a good thermal capacity? It has the same heat capacity (0.7) and heat conductivity (0.2) across all phases. So not worse much... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Christophlette said: It has the same heat capacity (0.7) and heat conductivity (0.2) across all phases. So not worse much... Ahh ok I was wondering if it would be any good to dunk an aquatuner into it XD Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, BlueLance said: Ahh ok I was wondering if it would be any good to dunk an aquatuner into it XD I think you can make something like that. If you manage to produce it next to an aquatuner and drop onto it. With another liquid to conduct heat you could heat it back into liquid. But the aquatuner may overheat because sulfur becomes liquid at 115.2°C. So it's a 9.8°C range to not overheat the aquatuner... A bit short in my opinion ! Maybe you can heat it to 90°C or so and finish the liquefaction with another mean ? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I imagine I’d change a lox producing room to one that cools down sour gas instead. The transition temperatures would be nice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UhE1 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 I haven't played the game since the last two updates so these questions might be stupid/obvious. Is oil to natural gas still worth it? Has the natural gas gen changed? If so how? Is liquid methane useful for anything except making natural gas? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, UhE1 said: I haven't played the game since the last two updates so these questions might be stupid/obvious. Is oil to natural gas still worth it? Has the natural gas gen changed? If so how? Is liquid methane useful for anything except making natural gas? 1. I guess it's worth it but very complicated as it is. It's a fun challenge that requires a lot of steps but still will net positive power. I want to build such thing in survival but I'm not to this point yet. 2. It hasn't changed. Still consume 90g/s of natural gas to produce 67.5g of polluted water, 22.5g of CO2 and 800W of power. 3. Nope. It must only be heated to be converted to natural gas. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Sour gas condenses in to 67% natural gas and 33% sulfur. 7 minutes ago, UhE1 said: Is liquid methane useful for anything except making natural gas? Liquid methane has a very narrow range between vaporization and freezing, so it isn't very useful as a coolant through an aquatuner. It also is not used in any other buildings. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Zarquan said: Sour gas condenses in to 67% natural gas and 33% sulfur. Liquid methane has a very narrow range between vaporization and freezing, so it isn't very useful as a coolant through an aquatuner. It also is not used in any other buildings. So then most likely a cooling room would produce both solid methane and solid sulfur? That simplifies some things. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonEmpire Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Christophlette said: Bug now petroleum boils into sour gas and not natural gas. Bug? I believe they said that is intended in the live stream last week. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, 0xFADE said: So then most likely a cooling room would produce both solid methane and solid sulfur? That simplifies some things. It's not that narrow, you can easily avoid creating solid methane. But the range is around 21 C (which is actually better than I thought). So using it with an aquatuner is hard because we have a very narrow range before it solidifies or evaporates. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Looks like it solidifies around when oxygen liquifies so a lox room should be perfect. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, RonEmpire said: Bug? Only a typo ! I edited it. It was supposed to be "But". Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 hours ago, UhE1 said: Is oil to natural gas still worth it? It is certainly worth it, but it has lost efficiency over it's previous form. It also requires a much stronger industrial base to accomplish, because instead of simply sucking up the NatGas and running it to the Generator, you now have to remove a very substantial quantity of heat from the Sour Gas to liquify it, so it can evaporate again into NatGas. It also has a 33% mass loss, in the form of Sulfur, which is the only true waste product in the game at the moment, because there is no use for it. 4 hours ago, UhE1 said: Has the natural gas gen changed? If so how? There was the change a while ago from 60 g/s to 90 g/s, but since then it has been unchanged. The bigger change was the heavy nerf to FertSynths, additionally requiring Phosphorite and only producing 10 g/s of NatGas. But that was at the same time as the 60 to 90 change to the Generator. 4 hours ago, UhE1 said: Is liquid methane useful for anything except making natural gas? Not particularly. It's simply a required extra step in Oil Boiling now that Sour Gas is in the way. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1083939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnis Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 13 hours ago, UhE1 said: I haven't played the game since the last two updates so these questions might be stupid/obvious. Is oil to natural gas still worth it? Has the natural gas gen changed? If so how? Is liquid methane useful for anything except making natural gas? I spent a fair amount of Time tuning a perfect volcano boiler. Deconstucting it now. Because of The high specific heat capacity of sour gas, and high mass loss of sour - methane (33% mass is lost to useless sulfur).. It needs 21 hydrogen thermo regulator + a sour/ng heat exchanger to run a 10kg /sec generator. Not worth it. * To add insult to injury, petroleum now turns to water at 1:1.5 ratio with rocketry. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1084066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 16 hours ago, Christophlette said: I think you can make something like that. If you manage to produce it next to an aquatuner and drop onto it. With another liquid to conduct heat you could heat it back into liquid. But the aquatuner may overheat because sulfur becomes liquid at 115.2°C. So it's a 9.8°C range to not overheat the aquatuner... A bit short in my opinion ! Maybe you can heat it to 90°C or so and finish the liquefaction with another mean ? Made of gold the overheat temp is 175 so you could use it for about another 58-60 degrees Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1084083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 4 hours ago, BlueLance said: Made of gold the overheat temp is 175 so you could use it for about another 58-60 degrees Oh damn you're right. I always forget that aquatuner has 125°C as a base overheat temperature. It's one of those machines that do not have a standard overheat temperature. Thanks for pointing it out ! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1084140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Christophlette said: Oh damn you're right. I always forget that aquatuner has 125°C as a base overheat temperature. It's one of those machines that do not have a standard overheat temperature. Thanks for pointing it out ! In all fairness I only found out when all my water turned to steam and was at 150 degrees XD Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1084157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredhp Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 When Crude Oil turns into petroleum, will it break the pipes or not? I haven't played Rocketry upgrade yet, and, i never cooked crude into petroleum, only to nat gas. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1084570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, fredhp said: When Crude Oil turns into petroleum, will it break the pipes or not? I haven't played Rocketry upgrade yet, and, i never cooked crude into petroleum, only to nat gas. Changes to elements will always break pipes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1084573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parusoid Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 On 14.09.2018 at 6:47 PM, bleeter6 said: Changes to elements will always break pipes. But in this example both of the elements are the same state (liqud). Will it break anyway? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1086341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Parusoid said: But in this example both of the elements are the same state (liqud). Will it break anyway? Yes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/95468-latest-natural-gas-changes/#findComment-1086342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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