Is the DSwiki indispensable to enjoy DST?

[csc_unit]

I use to say to my friends who I was introducing the game that trial and error were part of DS and that the discoveries were the really fun parts. Like when you discover you can feed the pig so he follows you into battle. Looking online was for me a nope. 

I would not say that today with DST. 

Look at the new awesome crazy Ancient Fuelweaver! What are the odds you stumble on this guy without the wiki? 

You need to kill the shadow pieces after hammering them on new moon to get the shadow atrium, get some fossil pieces, kill the Ancient guardian to get the key and bring the lot at the ancient gateway. 

Of course, DST is community game, which is very cool (it is actually even better than before if you ask). People teaches other people. But, still,  at the end, is the wiki essential to enjoy the content of DST?

What are your thoughts?

[Electroely]

No.

Discovering things on your own is so much more fun than looking it up. Even you use cheats to do so, I still find way better than looking it up. Just yesterday I had a fight with the Ancient Fuelweaver without knowing anything about it. I was pretty amazed when I accidentally discovered how to "evade" his bone attack when I got bounced back because of his shield and when I saw the unseen hands 20 minutes after he put up his shield. It was a feeling I wouldn't have gotten if I was just told about this stuff. I know not everyone feels the same way, but I just thought I'd share my opinion.

[Cheetos]

I find more often than not the educated community is the wiki. A mix of playing on servers, asking questions, and trial and error is plenty. The wiki is mostly only useful to me for some specific stats and food recipes. I.E. I learned about the shadow pieces overhearing players talk about it, found fossil fragments and asked what they did.

Sure if you don't play servers and you're a solo player or group of self-hosted completely new players, having the wiki can definitely reveal some parts of gameplay you might otherwise overlook. Depends on the player really though, I wouldn't say it's essential in either circumstance. Just handy sometimes.

[yousif7733]

yes

the old DS game was not that complicated but the DTS is way to much complex for example the Reanimated Skeleton and it was easy to make Ancient Fuelweaver because we already know make Reanimated Skeleton we need just to do it near the Ancient Gateway and noone think the Fossil is connected to Shadow Atrium so did anyone figure out how to build the Stalker by himself or herself with out asking other on servers or going to the wiki if the answer is no that mean we have to use wiki to enjoy DST

[BluesyBuesy]

The wiki is an incredible resource. Even the devs admitted to using it on a reddit thread a while back. It's just a really convenient way to get quick information. Of course, everything written there should be taken with a grain of salt (for example, I pointed out that the info on the gem deer is incorrect over a month ago, and it still hasn't been corrected). But even with its faults, the editors are doing a great service for the community. They really deserve more credit. Who even edits the wiki anyway? I don't know anyone who does. 

Is the wiki indispensable? In a way, yeah. If there wasn't a DS wiki, something else would spring up organically in its place. It really does fill a need. Not only for the vast majority of players who will search for something at least once or twice, but it makes searching for information so much more efficient for modders, content creators and devs. I can't help but roll my eyes at the people who don't do much besides smear the wiki (along with mods and farms and whatever the latest fad is to hate on). Useful people who have a positive impact on the community only help the growth and prosperity of the game we love, and I think we should recognize this even if you don't personally use whatever they make.

 In general, wikis and games are kind of intertwined at this moment in time. It used to be guidebooks, phone services, and brainstorming with friends, but this has all morphed into wikis with the internet. It's kind of interesting. It is a shame that our wiki is a virus-ridden mess though. I recently searched something on my phone, clicked on the wiki page, and before I knew it I was on some page with flashing lights telling me I need to clean my phone. That sort of thing is repugnant. The devs said they were potentially looking into getting the wiki moved on a better site in the aforementioned reddit thread, but I haven't heard anything about it since. I hope they can figure something out. 

[Vixrotre]

DST isn't the only game that has "secrets", in fact, most games nowadays have secret endings, secret bosses, hidden easter eggs, special weapons, costumes etc you can only find by being incredibly lucky... or by doing a google search "Secrets and easter eggs in X". Not to mention that games with the biggest amounts of secrets are usually single player games, so you either need friends who play the game and got lucky, or you need to be active on the forums to find out about secrets without Google.

DST, like you said, is a social game, so anyone who joins a server can potentially know about something you didn't and share that secret knowledge with you.

So I don't really see making DST have such secrets and complications as a bad thing. I think it's easier to find out about Fuelweaver in the game, no Google or wiki, than finding secrets like:

• a beating heart inside the Statue Of Liberty in GTA IV,
• or dog ending in Silent Hill 2,
• or a roll of film in Resident Evil 2, that you find after clicking on a desk FIFTY TIMES. Like gl clicking on a desk 50 times by accident?

[Donke60]

3 hours ago, BluesyBuesy said:

. Of course, everything written there should be taken with a grain of salt (for example, I pointed out that the info on the gem deer is incorrect over a month ago, and it still hasn't been corrected). But even with its faults, the editors are doing a great service for the community. They really deserve more credit. Who even edits the wiki anyway? I don't know anyone who does. 

Oh is that so can you tell me I can get it fixed for ya.To answer your questions most people who edit are anomus since most of are main admins and editors are on break or have retired.

 

3 hours ago, BluesyBuesy said:

It is a shame that our wiki is a virus-ridden mess though. I recently searched something on my phone, clicked on the wiki page, and before I knew it I was on some page with flashing lights telling me I need to clean my phone. That sort of thing is repugnant. The devs said they were potentially looking into getting the wiki moved on a better site in the aforementioned reddit thread, but I haven't heard anything about it since. I hope they can figure something out. 

Yes this is a recent issue and the main editors of the wiki as well as a Kiel devloper or working with wikia to slow the number of ads down for non members they have made slight improvements but the issues aren't quite done yet I'll let you know as I hear more

[EuedeAdodooedoe]

1 hour ago, yousif7733 said:

yes

the old DS game was not that complicated but the DTS is way to much complex for example the Reanimated Skeleton and it was easy to make Ancient Fuelweaver because we already know make Reanimated Skeleton we need just to do it near the Ancient Gateway and noone think the Fossil is connected to Shadow Atrium so did anyone figure out how to build the Stalker by himself or herself with out asking other on servers or going to the wiki if the answer is no that mean we have to use wiki to enjoy DST

I'd say it's not too complex but that the game does a terrible job at even hinting you in the right direction, which sucks. I really hope they implement good ways of hinting players as to what to do, through something like examining things, player character announcements being more explanatory, perhaps even facial expressions could be in the game to give an understanding of what's happening/about to happen for players.

[BluesyBuesy]

1 hour ago, Donke60 said:

Oh is that so can you tell me I can get it fixed for ya.To answer your questions most people who edit are anomus since most of are main admins and editors are on break or have retired.

 

Yes this is a recent issue and the main editors of the wiki as well as a Kiel devloper or working with wikia to slow the number of ads down for non members they have made slight improvements but the issues aren't quite done yet I'll let you know as I hear more

It was just an example, but the gem deer have 1500 health, not 700. Good to hear about the ads. I can understand about sites putting ads on their page of course, but all I did was click on the wikia from a google search and it pushed me right through to the other site. That sends off alarm bells in my mind.

[fimmatek]

I still think that discovering the world is the most fun of the game. Never forget all the funny, fatal or (as looking back) stupid moments that I have spent with the game, like when I avoided the totally normal trees for a long time because I was sure it's really dangerous. I already knew that in this game nothing is to be trusted...

So as a beginner I think it's better not to or just rarely read the wikia, but later on it can be highly useful for creating strategies, looking up a given monster's exact health or attack and such. 

I don't think that the too few hints about the atrium are bad. People who are experienced will find it out anyways or search in the forums, wikia, and actually the whole ruins, but the new atrium part is especially misterious. I believe it should have hidden secrets and non-trivial stuff that can be hardly discovered. Beginners, however, won't be really interested in the ruins and the latest updates, for them the game is already complicated enough, so they also don't really need any hints.

[csc_unit]

All very interesting comments to read. 

I think part of the answer is that They did not plan to create such a complex and big world at the beginning. So this was formula ; you discover the world trying to survive by learning of your errors. It is a good way to give challenge and fun without having to create shipload of content. Nowadays, with the rise of the wiki and the DST community, I think they changed the formula (especially with ANR) where they assume the community will learn the content by other means than the game itself. Which is odd for a game! I know a lot of games, like @Vixrotre pointed out, have hidden content but it is never as much as DST where the biggest goals of the game are completely secret. Like, the whole developing team spending time on programming stuff that is only accessible by the community or the wiki. Remove the community and the wiki, and this is a lot of work that almost nobody is experiencing. As I'm aware of, it is very unique. It is a bit why, I think, DS haves such a strong community and a strong (but corrupted) wiki. 

 

[JLee]

I feel like it really is necessary and FUN to learn about all the strats of this game. Cooking recipes are realllly helpful to learn with the wiki. For instance I would never know about perogis or butter muffins without the wiki.

 

Combat can also be helpful, but I like to try fights alone before I learn about how to properly kill a boss

[Donke60]

3 hours ago, JLee said:

I feel like it really is necessary and FUN to learn about all the strats of this game. Cooking recipes are realllly helpful to learn with the wiki. For instance I would never know about perogis or butter muffins without the wiki.

Yeah especially for me when it came to cave and seasonal dishes
Like cactus salad
or guacamola 

[JohnWatson]

@BluesyBuesy You can edit the wiki yourself if you spot incorrect information. You don't actually need an account to do so. I used to edit errors out of the wiki but I've become lazy because of the ads slowing things down to a crawl and my edits sometimes get reverted anyway.

I certainly agree that the wiki is a very useful resource for many. I would use it to quickly obtain information, for instance a mob's health, a structure's prefab name, or what a certain item does. I really appreciate this convenience provided by the wiki.

However, I've to say that the wiki lacks many information and provides some incorrect information. It's not a perfect wiki, I admit. You can't find everything there and you can find something misleading there. Sometimes it provides advice that wouldn't be of much help to new players (there are players that think pan flute and gunpowder is the best way to deal with deerclops). A solution to this is to urge more knowledgeable players to contribute to the wiki. Maybe in the future, it will be a little more accurate with its information.

Oh, and also, Wikia is the main reason why I installed uBlock Origin.

[Donke60]

3 hours ago, JohnWatson said:

@BluesyBuesyYou can edit the wiki yourself if you spot incorrect information. You don't actually need an account to do so. I used to edit errors out of the wiki but I've become lazy because of the ads slowing things down to a crawl and my edits sometimes get reverted anyway.

Yes for some articles you can
but some are protected against edits unless your a member
you can also dispute edits if you wish?

[AnonymousKoala]

While it's not obvious what's linked to what for Ancient Fuelweaver, it's not hard to make the connection of each step on its own.

You find statues, you mine them, see they're not fully broken, and see pieces of marble you can drag. So your brain makes the connection, "hey i can put these together", and you do that.  Letting them be on a full moon for the sketch or mining on new moon isn't obvious but if you just mine them, you can still get a trinket for the sketch.

Once the statues are built, on a new moon they'll shake, so you'll try to find ways to destroy them, leading to the fight. Most people I know will make a statue of each chess piece, so the chance to see the leveling up isn't a low one. 

You build a skeleton out of fossil fragments, its obvious once you see the prompt at first. You revive it with a heart because like we all gussed, a heart matches well with a skeleton. As you can see with the skeleton having different shapes, you can also make the connection that it depends on a specific shape.

The atrium is an area you'll explore anyway once found, and the key you'll put anyway because of your own curiosity to see what happens.

These are all fairly obvious connections, the part that isn't obvious is just thinking "hey what if i build this here" which is a connection the player can make, once they find out the stalker isnt the same form everywhere it's reanimated in.