Insulated Pack: Who is really using it? Is it worth it? A Suggestion

[FreyaMaluk]

My suggestion is simple: (edit)

• make it a real ice box (It can preserve ice and make your Thermal Stone cold) (suggested by @AnonymousKoala and @Erec)
• +2 inventory slots for 8 total

I believe this change to be a fair trade for the benefit considering what an Icebox needs to be crafted ( x1  ×1  ×2 ) and it also encompasses the recent changes in A New Reign (disease and petrifaction), which makes the game less stationary IMO. 

Reasons for this change:

 - Mobility: if you just want to avoid disease having a farm-free base and just collect berries, grass and twigs without transplanting them, you will need to be walking around more than just farming things at home, meaning it ill be really useful if you can just cook food at base and then go around and gather resources outside knowing that your food will last longer... with at least 8 slots in your backpack

- It doesn't make any sense that it only preserves food, while it doesn't keep things cold, like ice or a thermal stone...

- Perfect for the summer days!!

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The stand of the discussion so far (Oct.7.2017)

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Most people here have agreed that they would be happy with some changes:

- almost everyone agreed on +2 Slots

- many agreed with an ice preserving feature

- some agreed on a real ice box (freezing thermal stones)

- and some think it is good as it is

At least, there are some features Klei can work with...

Either reducing the electric ingredients or, even better, changing them for some renewable materials like reeds and keeping the pack's capacity as it is considering the Sea Sack crafting materials in SW. With the later change, people won't associate the Pack anymore with an Ice Box, which is a crucial aspect for people complaining about it

or making it really strong and maintaining the current recipe

Those are the ideas I can gather at the moment... Maybe there are better suggestions out there, but at least I'm trying and giving the chance for opening the discussion again... and many have look at this post, so it is rather an important topic

 

[Asparagus]

Title:
Insulated Pack: Who is really using it? Is it worth it? A Suggestion
 

For one, the Bearger is a tough giant (lag included), though if you can farm bearger tufts and with the addition of the green amulet, it could be quite useful... adding more gears into the recipe (imo) would not be necessary as there are things like ice boxes and snow chester to more effectively store food... also, food that have a longer decay rate... as for the disease and petrification, IDK what connection those have with the insulated pack... maybe the disease, as to store berries? (IDK, does storing dug up bushes, tufts, or saplings in the insulated pack do anything?)

Or is there more context as to the addition of more ingredients towards crafting an insulate pack that I may be missing? O__O

[Sivdun]

On 29.09.2016 at 10:43 AM, Erec said:

Besides I want to talk about Insulated Pack. I played DST for over 500 hours and I never seen anyone using this item. We know that it takes 1 x Thick Fur + 3 x Gears + 3 Electrical Doodad to craft and it's only benefit is that it slows down spoilage, oh and you loose 2 backpack slots if you have it equipped. In my opinion it's not worth it. So what could they change? Make it a weaker fridge but give it possibility to keep ice related items in it and stop melting completely, also giving possibility to freeze thermal stone in it could be great maybe not so fast as it is in fridge but slower so you would force someone to carry two thermal stones and swap them if needed. When you do this you force players to make decision if they want to have great winter gear or maybe great summer gear.

Having Ice Cube and Ice or 2 x Thermal stones with this item gives people possibility to choose, even gives another reason to craft Ice Cube. I would be fine with changing recipie for a bit more expensive if it had atributes as I quoted here.

[FreyaMaluk]

1 hour ago, Asparagus said:

also, food that have a longer decay rate... as for the disease and petrification, IDK what connection those have with the insulated pack... maybe the disease, as to store berries?

Exactly that... and if you just want to avoid disease having a farm-free base and just collect berries, grass and twigs without transplanting them, you will need to be walking around more than just farming things at home, meaning it ill be really useful if you can just cook food at base and then go around and gather resources outside knowing that your food will last longer...

1 hour ago, Asparagus said:

For one, the Bearger is a tough giant (lag included)

Berger is ok.... I wouldn't say tough, but I see your point about the lag, maybe just one Thick Fur would suffice.

The point is, and I believe you agree with me here, the Insulated Pack is really useless right now... Nobody would change 8 slots for an insulated backpack.... never...

I'm just trying to suggest changes to this item. I'd rather increase the recipe materials, not so drastically as double the recipe maybe, but giving 8 slots could make this item soooo useful. Maybe like this

 ×1  ×3  ×4 

1 hour ago, Asparagus said:

adding more gears into the recipe (imo) would not be necessary as there are things like ice boxes and snow chester to more effectively store food...

the fridge is stationary... so yeap.... the idea is the mobility you get from the Insulated Pack, which is the point of this discussion. 

Winter Chester is really nice, but there is only ONE Chester per world. The idea is that everyone can have the benefit of food lasting longer and not just the lucky one who found Chester. It's not like you are all together at the same time exploring the world

44 minutes ago, Erec said:

Having Ice Cube and Ice or 2 x Thermal stones with this item gives people possibility to choose, even gives another reason to craft Ice Cube. I would be fine with changing recipie for a bit more expensive if it had atributes as I quoted here.

I really like this idea

But I do consider that having 8 slots can make this Pack useful

[AnonymousKoala]

You need to see the issue with the Insulated Pack. Its cost is just fine, and having it be more expensive with just adding 2 extra slots wouldn't make it a straight upgrade when you have the Krampus Sack or the option to use a Piggyback with any form of speed up. Or Ice Chester or Shadow Chester(more storage slots).

Its issue is that it's a lesser version of Ice Chester which in turn is a lesser version of the Ice Box but is still good as he does his job rather well being a portable ice box. Meanwhile, the Insulated Pack works off the assumption that being a discount Ice Box is worth giving up 2 slots for. 

My suggestion is make it a normal ice box, but portable, and maybe increase the slots too. It won't suddenly become the meta or something, but it will be quite stronger than it is now(though some people do use it now)

[Asparagus]

18 minutes ago, AnonymousKoala said:

You need to see the issue with the Insulated Pack. Its cost is just fine, and having it be more expensive with just adding 2 extra slots wouldn't make it a straight upgrade when you have the Krampus Sack or the option to use a Piggyback with any form of speed up. Or Ice Chester or Shadow Chester(more storage slots).

Its issue is that it's a lesser version of Ice Chester which in turn is a lesser version of the Ice Box but is still good as he does his job rather well being a portable ice box. Meanwhile, the Insulated Pack works off the assumption that being a discount Ice Box is worth giving up 2 slots for. 

My suggestion is make it a normal ice box, but portable, and maybe increase the slots too. It won't suddenly become the meta or something, but it will be quite stronger than it is now(though some people do use it now)

^pretty much

[FreyaMaluk]

12 minutes ago, AnonymousKoala said:

My suggestion is make it a normal ice box, but portable, and maybe increase the slots too. It won't suddenly become the meta or something, but it will be quite stronger than it is now(though some people do use it now)

I like the idea ... I think the cost is already high considering what an icebox needs to be crafted and the real issue is of course that it cannot preserve ice and make Thermal Stones cold.

The problem is that everyone knows this item is not useful, but nobody says anything.... and I think that now is the time to come up with suggestions for the game... A New Reign is making a revision to many things for DST, and if they were able to give icons for Gold Rocks, why can't they give a better use to the Insulated Pack?  

[AnonymousKoala]

12 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

I like the idea ... I think the cost is already high considering what an icebox needs to be crafted and the real issue is of course that it cannot preserve ice and make Thermal Stones cold.

The problem is that everyone knows this item is not useful, but nobody says anything.... and I think that now is the time to come up with suggestions for the game... A New Reign is making a revision to many things for DST, and if they were able to give icons for Gold Rocks, why can't they give a better use to the Insulated Pack?  

Because no one cares, that's why they don't mention it. Like how no one talked about the compass and now they don't because we all know its good now, when before we all knew its crap.

[FreyaMaluk]

10 minutes ago, AnonymousKoala said:

Because no one cares, that's why they don't mention it. Like how no one talked about the compass and now they don't because we all know its good now, when before we all knew its crap.

Well I do.... That's why I started this discussion... and I take you care to... so... what's your suggestion?

[AnonymousKoala]

10 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

Well I do.... That's why I started this discussion... and I take you care to... so... what's your suggestion?

...I just said it above lol.

 

[FreyaMaluk]

25 minutes ago, AnonymousKoala said:

...I just said it above lol.

 

My bad  I thought it was @Asparagus suggestion

[GiddyGuy]

2 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

and petrifaction

Are you trying to say petrifaction is bad? I think it's quite good for getting nearby rocks, flint, and nitre (especially if you're Maxwell as your shadow miner would never run out.) plus trees are always abundant everywhere, anytime I see petrifaction it has nearby normal trees.

[FreyaMaluk]

10 minutes ago, GiddyGuy said:

Are you trying to say petrifaction is bad? I think it's quite good for getting nearby rocks, flint, and nitre (especially if you're Maxwell as your shadow miner would never run out.) plus trees are always abundant everywhere, anytime I see petrifaction it has nearby normal trees.

I never said is bad... on the contrary... 

And this is not the point of the discussion

[Pruinae]

Insulated Pack = Fresh Ham Bat

Killing Bearger is kind of pointless since the 2 items that you can make with the Thick Fur are very situational

 

[FreyaMaluk]

12 minutes ago, MatheusR31 said:

Insulated Pack = Fresh Ham Bat

Killing Bearger is kind of pointless since the 2 items that you can make with the Thick Fur are very situational

 

the Insulated Pack as it is right now makes you Ham Bat last longer.... So I don't see your point here... 

the suggestion is to make the Insulated Pack a real icebox and +2 slots...

[Asparagus]

OK, we're all thinking it...

MAKE INSULATED PACK GREAT! (again)

How 'bout this: Same recipe (same level of acquiring the ingredients) but for better stats (like Snow Chester level... but then, what would be the point of making Snow Chester then; you can't take him to the caves anymore where you could have had a Krampus sack + Snow chester)... *looks at Shipwrecked's backpacks*

[FreyaMaluk]

22 minutes ago, Asparagus said:

OK, we're all thinking it...

MAKE INSULATED PACK GREAT! (again)

How 'bout this: Same recipe (same level of acquiring the ingredients) but for better stats (like Snow Chester level... but then, what would be the point of making Snow Chester then; you can't take him to the caves anymore where you could have had a Krampus sack + Snow chester)... *looks at Shipwrecked's backpacks*

Again.... not everyone in the the server is running around together.... unless killing bosses... not everyone will enjoy the benefits of Snow Chester

BUT if the pack has +8 slots and as suggested by @AnonymousKoala 

1 hour ago, AnonymousKoala said:

My suggestion is make it a normal ice box, but portable

then it is up to you to decide if you take your Krampus Sack or if you take your Insulated Pack for food.... your choice...

[Asparagus]

14 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

Again.... not everyone in the the server is running around together.... unless killing bosses... not everyone will enjoy the benefits of Snow Chester

BUT if the pack has +8 slots and as suggested by @AnonymousKoala 

then it is up to you to decide if you take your Krampus Sack or if you take your Insulated Pack for food.... your choice...

OK, how about not read the ones in parenthesis:

25 minutes ago, Asparagus said:

OK, we're all thinking it...

MAKE INSULATED PACK GREAT! (again)

How 'bout this: Same recipe but for better stats *looks at Shipwrecked's backpacks*

...

25 minutes ago, Asparagus said:

 (like Snow Chester level... but then, what would be the point of making Snow Chester then; you can't take him to the caves anymore where you could have had a Krampus sack + Snow chester)... *looks at Shipwrecked's backpacks*

And regarding Show Chester, what I'm saying is a counter argument to to my/our suggestion of making the ice pack on par with snow chester which would make the snow chester transformation obsolete as one of it's previous benefits (in DS solo) was that you can take him into the caves and ALSO be able to carry more things via the Krampus sack... which you can't do in DST so yeah, if we make the ice packs on the same stats with ice boxes or snow chester... yep :T

[Faintly Macabre]

53 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

the Insulated Pack as it is right now makes you Ham Bat last longer.... So I don't see your point here... 

The point was to give a reason why it's not useless. I also use it for taking summer-long treks into the caves/ruins, so I can take a buttload of dragonpies down with me and have them last as long as possible without needing to settle down anywhere to cook food, allowing me to explore with no distractions. You guys are way too quick to call stuff useless.

[FreyaMaluk]

1 hour ago, AnonymousKoala said:

You need to see the issue with the Insulated Pack. Its cost is just fine, and having it be more expensive with just adding 2 extra slots wouldn't make it a straight upgrade when you have the Krampus Sack or the option to use a Piggyback with any form of speed up. Or Ice Chester or Shadow Chester(more storage slots).

Its issue is that it's a lesser version of Ice Chester which in turn is a lesser version of the Ice Box but is still good as he does his job rather well being a portable ice box. Meanwhile, the Insulated Pack works off the assumption that being a discount Ice Box is worth giving up 2 slots for. 

My suggestion is make it a normal ice box, but portable, and maybe increase the slots too. It won't suddenly become the meta or something, but it will be quite stronger than it is now(though some people do use it now)

 

2 hours ago, Erec said:

Having Ice Cube and Ice or 2 x Thermal stones with this item gives people possibility to choose, even gives another reason to craft Ice Cube. I would be fine with changing recipie for a bit more expensive if it had atributes as I quoted here.

You are right... I wasn't seeing the real issue, but thank you for sharing your thoughts here... I've changed the suggestion according to these points you brought up

I still consider that having the extra slots is more than necessary considering the cost... So i really want to keep that in the suggestion  

Thanks

[Pruinae]

11 minutes ago, FreyaMaluk said:

the Insulated Pack as it is right now makes you Ham Bat last longer.... So I don't see your point here... 

the suggestion is to make the Insulated Pack a real icebox and +2 slots...

With "Insulated Pack = Fresh Ham Bat" I wanted to say that the only real reason for me to make the Insulated Pack as it is right now is to make my Ham Bat last longer (The way I mentioned it is just a little too much capable of misunderstand, I guess that you thought that I said that a good change to the Insulated Pack would be to make the Ham Bat last longer, right?) 

With the suggestion to make the Insulated Pack a real icebox and add 2 slots I would use it more on the summer, but on the others seasons I would still prefer to use the Krampus Sack since Jerkys last long enough for me.

[FreyaMaluk]

26 minutes ago, TheHalcyonOne said:

The point was to give a reason why it's not useless. I also use it for taking summer-long treks into the caves/ruins, so I can take a buttload of dragonpies down with me and have them last as long as possible without needing to settle down anywhere to cook food, allowing me to explore with no distractions. You guys are way too quick to call stuff useless.

I explained the reasons here

2 hours ago, FreyaMaluk said:

if you just want to avoid disease having a farm-free base and just collect berries, grass and twigs without transplanting them, you will need to be walking around more than just farming things at home, meaning it ill be really useful if you can just cook food at base and then go around and gather resources outside knowing that your food will last longer...

I also liked @AnonymousKoala view on the topic.... 

1 hour ago, AnonymousKoala said:

My suggestion is make it a normal ice box, but portable, and maybe increase the slots too. It won't suddenly become the meta or something, but it will be quite stronger than it is now(though some people do use it now)

For that reason I changed my suggestion... (originally only 8 slots, an nothing more)

I do believe that it is pretty cool the benefit of preserving your food, but 4 slots is not enough for the amount of materials needed and the benefit compared to an ice box

 

[FreyaMaluk]

14 minutes ago, MatheusR31 said:

With "Insulated Pack = Fresh Ham Bat" I wanted to say that the only real reason for me to make the Insulated Pack as it is right now is to make my Ham Bat last longer (The way I mentioned it is just a little too much capable of misunderstand, I guess that you thought that I said that a good change to the Insulated Pack would be to make the Ham Bat last longer, right?) 

yeap.... that's what i thought

14 minutes ago, MatheusR31 said:

With the suggestion to make the Insulated Pack a real icebox and add 2 slots I would use it more on the summer

Exactly.... that's the plan  

A really cool alternative for the summer days (pun intended)

[sealedpenumbra]

All in all we need portable refrigerator...

[FreyaMaluk]

11 minutes ago, PandoMish said:

All in all we need portable refrigerator...

exactly  and why not??