In your honest opinion, is Wurt strong or weak?

[paodocevoante1]

I don't speak english so sorry for any mistake.

I'm doing this thread because I really want to know what the forum community thinks about wurt, and yes I think she's an extremely fun character, but I want to talk about the point if she's strong or weak, I personally think she's very strong late game and I imagine a lot of people think so too but I saw this video and it presents valid arguments that she's actually a character extremely inefficient and weak

So I was wondering if you guys agree with the guy in the video or if he's just exaggerating

[somethin]

She's good. Not too strong, but definitely not weak, just boring. She's basically vegan Wilson with vastly better pigs and that honestly good enough for most content.

[ZeRoboButler]

I mean, depending on what your definitions of what a character being strong or weak are, this could be a weird question. 

If we are comparing strength of characters based off survivability, raw stats, resource acquisition and consumption or even character oriented abilities or combos... Wurt does have some advantages, it's just most of them are very selfish perks.

Wurt can... 

1. have an army at her disposal, that can chop, mine and fight without being frightened
2. can make a king to boost her stats and make merms docile world wide (and trade fish for gold, seeds, rot, kelp and trinkets)
3. can prolong fishes life spans while giving herself sanity
4. could in theory kill merms in a merm civil war for food (only real team oriented perk aside from resource collection or cluttering a boss fight by mobbing it.)
5. Eats less food due to innate food buff for herself.

Ultimately not very team oriented but does do some stuff that is neat, but not necessarily impressive. 

If we are being honest and comparing characters with a lot of strength, wurt doesn't compare to the others very well. She is highly selfish design wise (ironic in a game about working together she offers so little), her strengths are not necessarily bad, just a bit underwhelming In execution. There were a lot of qol changes after her release that improved her character but she could use something more that both separates her from other characters in a meaningful way but also makes her unique in a team setting.       

[zhangsheng]

The strength of a character is also related to the time you spend playing a save.
In the early stages of the game, Wurt was indeed quite weak. Eating only vegetarian food and having fewer three-dimensional values have added a considerable burden to him. But in the middle and later stages of the game, with sufficient resources, his intensity can be increased to a certain level. But still not particularly strong, because others can summon Bunnyman to fight. Although Bunnyman is not as good as Merm, it should not be underestimated.

[Mike23Ua]

Wurt has a perk called Strong Grip, meaning that tools won’t slip out of her hands when she’s soaking wet in spring rain, and with a tophat and pet fish, it’s almost entirely impossible for her to EVER go Insane..  

What does this mean for Team Play? It means that WX78 (the character who takes extreme health loss damage in normal & acid rain) can be given the Umbrellas and Eyebrellas.

Is it the best team based perk ever? Well Err no… but I think being able to turn all the Merms in the world passive makes up for that.

Wurt also has pretty high Hp compared to most the cast so there’s that too.

[Gashzer]

Wurt is very strong.

Imagine the world spawned a biome completely filled with cobblestone roads for a 35% speed boost. You would think this is mental but wurt literally has this. This makes fighting bosses like all the seasonal/lunar bosses, twins of terror and shadow clockwork bosses alot easier to fight in the swamp.

Regular merms are very underrated. Craftsmern huts are very cheap so you can amass regular merms very quickly even in early game which help alot for fighting dfly or even bee queen. They can also demolish entire forests and rock biomes very quickly. So you dont even need a merm king for a while.

Ofc if you do get a merm king the stat boost for wurt is fantastic. 250 hunger is just straight up awesome not needing to worry about food for 3+ days is such a good QoL.

Wurt is really good at farming marble because of merms for marble suits therefore her having 250hp + marble suit+ merm army means you can brainlessly tank bosses without needing healing items. 

Holding a fish for 3.3 sanity, really nice for early game cave exploration. Scorching sunfish and ice bream fish are the best seasonal insulation in the game. Turning both winter and summer into autumn 2.0.

My biggest tip is dont sleep on regular merms. Merm guards are great but i can not understate how cheap craftsmerm huts are!

[chirsg]

Wurt is strong. You can't really quantify a character on their strengths and weaknesses if you don't even play them.

 

And that doesn't mean playing them for an afternoon. 

[Sunshine.]

Some people also do not see the value in having a merm army for middle / lategame worlds. I've played public worlds where one or multiple wurts played and the amount of jellybeans they can provide is breathtaking. Bee queen does not get to live for a single day after her respawn cooldown ended. The merm army makes sure of that, with ease while the Wurt is wearing a tam o shanter and a walking cane.

Same goes for resource collection and having someone who is simply ignoring each season using fish. Need to go somewhere in a hurry, such as moonstone event, but can't because the season is making it too hard? A secound year Wurt can do it no problem, icebream and sunfish just makes every season autumn as said above.

So in conclusion, Wurt struggles in early game but trivialises the rest. If fighting, surviving and even collecting huge amounts of resources isn't someones cup of tea, they can simply pick Wurt and have a relaxed time after they're finished with setting up the merms & fishing the summer and winter fishes.

[skile]

I think she's pretty good (biased) 

but yeah, iirc, a lot of the video's author's points come down to something like "other character can do it better/you can just swap to X to this", which is simply a different play style from what I'm into, so I guess it may vary from person to person, depending on how they play. I play slow, and prefer to tackle things indirectly, so for me, Wurt is perfect, but if someone likes to do things quick, they'd probably find her weak no matter what, unless her character was fundamentally changed to provide short term benefit. 

[Jakepeng99]

17 hours ago, paodocevoante1 said:

I don't speak english so sorry for any mistake.

I'm doing this thread because I really want to know what the forum community thinks about wurt, and yes I think she's an extremely fun character, but I want to talk about the point if she's strong or weak, I personally think she's very strong late game and I imagine a lot of people think so too but I saw this video and it presents valid arguments that she's actually a character extremely inefficient and weak

So I was wondering if you guys agree with the guy in the video or if he's just exaggerating

The person who made it was salty that JustExo put Wurt in S and Wortox in F.

 

 

Anyway Wurt garbage remember everyone stay to the plan.

Edited April 25 by Jakepeng99

[Frosty_Mentos]

She's okay, she's just boring. Her affinity to merms is very strong just because it's a decent alternative to using either bunnymen or pigs.

Everything wrong with her and many other characters that would try to use followers is that the followers aren't very reliable.

Anything that cannot be controlled and runs around wrecklessly attacking anything that annoys them is the biggest issue with followers.

In concept, Wurt makes sense to be a jack of all trades of sorts that could do many types of work, but her reliance on followers is very painful to say the least.

Unless Klei reworks One-Man-Band or adds us more ways to control followers to do fights solo as a army raiser, I don't see Wurt existing in my playable character roster that I'd wish to use.

Maxwell does the job well because his minions can be remade, frail and do plenty of damage when available. Not to mention that he can actually dispell them by killing them incase something is getting attacked what you didn't want to be.

Willow and Wendy can disable their summons, making them well versed in utility and manageability.

Wolfgang's and Wigfrid's inspirations to do more damage to bosses can be said as nearly broken, but still less than appealing to want to use them.

Bosses have often very high AOE damage which cleans many followers off like wheat in a field.

Armor you put on them has less durability because bosses deal 2x more damage to followers. You can't reliably have plenty of followers protected in a battle to last that long. It's also a problem if you wanna have at least just a few followers to help you.

[Mysterious box]

I would say she's a solid b character however for all that is sacred people someone convince klei to stop merm followers from running away when your trying to group feed them...

[grm9]

depends on what's your goal, if you're trying to kill most bosses quickly then she's bad because setting merms up requires a lot of time and she can't eat the meat from bosses, if you're megabasing then you're probably going to play as wanda to teleport, so she isn't really best at anything

5 hours ago, Gashzer said:

250hp

it doesn't matter unless you're using tents or something, which i wouldn't recommend using, going afk for 2 mins isn't fun nor a good idea, especially considering that you're going to have excess healing after killing BQ

[Jakepeng99]

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

depends on what's your goal, if you're trying to kill most bosses quickly then she's bad because setting merms up requires a lot of time and she can't eat the meat from bosses, if you're megabasing then you're probably going to play as wanda to teleport, so she isn't really best at anything

it doesn't matter unless you're using tents or something, which i wouldn't recommend using, going afk for 2 mins isn't fun nor a good idea, especially considering that you're going to have excess healing after killing BQ

It is a good idea though. You efficently gain hp, and get a break to plan things. Cant be turned on constantly.

[grm9]

2 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

You efficently gain hp

you're going to have excessive healing after killing BQ anyway so no need for that

2 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

get a break to plan things

unnecessary and you can already use loading screens for that

3 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Cant be turned on constantly

wdym, isn't that a disadvantage?

[Gashzer]

56 minutes ago, grm9 said:

depends on what's your goal, if you're trying to kill most bosses quickly then she's bad because setting merms up requires a lot of time and she can't eat the meat from bosses, if you're megabasing then you're probably going to play as wanda to teleport, so she isn't really best at anything

If you are looking to farm bosses she is best. And her fish insulation/frog rain/wet immunity plus high hunger stat plus merm army means shes better than wanda for megabasing. Rider beefalo with glossamer is fast enough for late game travel. 

Biggest downside of wandas rift network is that no other character can use it so its a waste of time if you switch characters often. Which for megabasing you will be, eg. maxwell or wormwood for farming.

Atleast if you invest in regular merms every other character can use them. 

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

it doesn't matter unless you're using tents or something, which i wouldn't recommend using, going afk for 2 mins isn't fun nor a good idea, especially considering that you're going to have excess healing after killing BQ

Does matter. Means i dont need to stop attacking to heal or even think about it.

Also walter skill tree suggestions please 

[grm9]

4 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

If you are looking to farm bosses she is best. And her fish insulation/frog rain/wet immunity plus high hunger stat plus merm army means shes better than wanda for megabasing. Rider beefalo with glossamer is fast enough for late game travel

you could set up crystaleyezers/furnaces everywhere as anyone else and you get umbralla and max hunger doesn't matter if it's above 150 and wanda can use bunnymen and merms too

6 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Biggest downside of wandas rift network is that no other character can use it so its a waste of time if you switch characters often. Which for megabasing you will be, eg. maxwell or wormwood for farming

you could just have the trees near the portal or go there normally since you aren't going to do that often anyway

7 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Does matter. Means i dont need to stop attacking to heal or even think about it

you don't need to think much about using an item after your hp goes below max - amount of hp that gets healed by the food and less stuff to do during fights is less fun and a 12 frames long anim doesn't matter

8 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Also walter skill tree suggestions please 

i don't owe you anything

[Gashzer]

50 minutes ago, grm9 said:

i don't owe you anything

You owe the forums your creative suggestions 

[SapoLover]

Being completely honest, she feels like Wilson that can hire with better pigs. The downsides and upsides are not relevant enough in my opinion, I'm waiting for the skill tree to add something to the king buff. Stats increase is irrelevant.

[Gi-Go]

Everything the guy says are pure facts not an opinion. Wurt is indeed a fish. 

[Cheggf]

That video is mostly factual, with my biggest complaint with it being certain phrasing, such as acting like it's a bad thing that Wurt sucks. She's definitely not a tryhard character, more of a roleplay or challenge character.

[paodocevoante1]

2 hours ago, Cheggf said:

That video is mostly factual, with my biggest complaint with it being certain phrasing, such as acting like it's a bad thing that Wurt sucks.

Yes, I think she is extremely fun and that way it makes it worth suffering for her to become "strong", I say strong in quotes because she seems to be a good character to give the impression that the longer time world = more merms and the more merms = more strength , but in the end, as the video showed, she is only very ineffective with the time she needs to have

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She's definitely not a tryhard character, more of a roleplay or challenge character.

I don't think she was made to be a challenging character like wormwood, wes and warley (these are the strongest examples I can think of, maybe walter too? he's really bad) because the concept of wurt is to have merms and royal merms to have their advantages, and then these merms offer possibilities to do various things like mining, breaking trees and fighting, but this all comes at a cost of time but this time is so long compared to the result that the author of the video managed to give arguments, giving examples in other ways that we can mine, collect trees  and fighting in less time/resources than the wurt would need

[Mysterious box]

3 hours ago, Cheggf said:

That video is mostly factual, with my biggest complaint with it being certain phrasing, such as acting like it's a bad thing that Wurt sucks. She's definitely not a tryhard character, more of a roleplay or challenge character.

I mean if we're being fair people generally don't like a character sucking unless it's intended like Wes while I don't feel like she's a bad character I do feel like she could stand to be better rewarded for the time and effort you put into her.

[Jakepeng99]

14 hours ago, grm9 said:

you're going to have excessive healing after killing BQ anyway so no need for that

Thats unrealistic most people are not going to kill bee queen super fast, and alot of people play multiplayer where there is only so much beans to go around.

[grm9]

9 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Thats unrealistic most people are not going to kill bee queen super fast

you could try to do BQ 1st/after ruins since you only need a few blue shrooms for them if you don't kill clockworks, since their loot is mostly worthless

11 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

alot of people play multiplayer where there is only so much beans to go around

blue shrooms ig