chirsg Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waoling Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 What is the problem here? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Waoling said: What is the problem here? Wrong constructs of fuelweaver. It's starting to get really old. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
landromat Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 just build it right Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waoling Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 19 minutes ago, chirsg said: Wrong constructs of fuelweaver. It's starting to get really old. Maybe they should make it not random then. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mima_ Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 nothing beats me than assembling AFW bones into a twerking position Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 23 minutes ago, Waoling said: Maybe they should make it not random then. My thoughts exactly Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retepeter Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 21th century problems Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethin Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Bring a hammer next time ig Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 24 minutes ago, somethin said: Bring a hammer next time ig Yeah. I do have hammers. It's unreal that you'd defend something that wastes your time for no reason. Name one good reason why this is good design. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxynQ Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 24 minutes ago, chirsg said: Yeah. I do have hammers. It's unreal that you'd defend something that wastes your time for no reason. Name one good reason why this is good design. Stop playing games especially sandboxes if u think that wasting time is a problem, thought that you maybe need a hammer is too hard to play? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, AxynQ said: Stop playing games especially sandboxes if u think that wasting time is a problem, thought that you maybe need a hammer is too hard to play? Speak clearly and just say it's good game design. Tell me that something important would be lost if you could control the formation of the correct fuelweaver build. Say it. Tell me I'm wrong and why. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MondayNight Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Its 3 form variations are used by people as decorative elements. Likewise is no biggie to reassemble it till getting the right one, hence I see no problem here. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said: Its 3 form variations are used by people as decorative elements. Never seen a base using those as decorations tbh, but in that case they could be changed with clean sweeper. 3 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said: Likewise is no biggie to reassemble it till getting the right one, hence I see no problem here. Yes but it's just pointless, the only thing it brings is identifying the wrong skeleton early in the build and hammering it before full completion, which it could be kept for but idk, pointless waste of time somewhat outweighs this. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, MostMerryTomcat said: Its 3 form variations are used by people as decorative elements. Likewise is no biggie to reassemble it till getting the right one, hence I see no problem here. 1 hour ago, grm9 said: Never seen a base using those as decorations tbh, but in that case they could be changed with clean sweeper. 1 hour ago, MostMerryTomcat said: Case in point. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MondayNight Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 2 hours ago, grm9 said: Never seen a base using those as decorations tbh, but in that case they could be changed with clean sweeper. Check the major DST communities' Endless servers, especially the ones where people go for "mega-base" projects like (DST) Don't Fight. Also, even though I just "leech" skins off of Twitch with bg tabs, muted and on 160p, I still managed to see over time such decorative elements deployed on random streamers' vids. Depends where you dwell mostly; if you're into Survival more than Sandbox, more-so if done in "speed-run" manner, there is no wonder then. Still, yes, Clean Sweeper is a compromise. But myself am more bugged about the general "I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW" immediate gratification mentality of these things bearing its weight on games at large nowadays from people with 0 patience for anything. PS: from these very forums, check next topic: Decorations, Shrines and Base Designs for designs incorporating Odd Skeletons. Spoiler Example from there: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maradyne Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 They're worthwhile for Maxwell's quote alone. I'd be sad if they were removed, because assembling them wrong is funny. There's more to games than boss rushing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatAndRun Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 I expected some salty criticism lol Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 37 minutes ago, MostMerryTomcat said: "I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW" immediate gratification mentality of these things bearing its weight on games at large nowadays from people with 0 patience for anything. No. The bs we have now nurtures addictive disorders because of the dopamine fluctuation of a extremely rudimentary and arbitrary task that requires 0 skill to get right or wrong. You're gambling at that point and it's worse than having a predictable result for a mundane task. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-met Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 4 hours ago, chirsg said: Name one good reason why this is good design. it's funny Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsheen Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 4 hours ago, chirsg said: Yeah. I do have hammers. It's unreal that you'd defend something that wastes your time for no reason. Name one good reason why this is good design. It's cool decor Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Horsheen said: It's cool decor 3 hours ago, grm9 said: Never seen a base using those as decorations tbh, but in that case they could be changed with clean sweeper. 3 hours ago, MostMerryTomcat said: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicDen220 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Does anyone use fossils as decor on fuelweaver's arena? Like, I'm sure the original poster's problem isn't the fact that wrong skeletons exist, but the fact that you need to gamble to build the right skeleton when its sole purpose in that place is to summon a boss, not being kept around for decor. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Rage Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Consider it the first phase of the battle. If you can't handle it you better run from the caves. You are supposed to go a little doolally down there, according to the theme. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Captain_Rage said: Consider it the first phase of the battle. If you can't handle it you better run from the caves. You are supposed to go a little doolally down there, according to the theme. Literally no one has ever considered the fight lost because of a wrong craft. it's not something that has a place in a boss battle. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152151-this-is-bad-game-design/#findComment-1676919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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