Klei, how long are you going to try to ruin my base? And other suggestions

[CuteC]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Have you ever considered that if your mobs are glitching through walls that Klei never actually intended for you to capture them as pets? I mean there’s even a Wagstaff notes for the new beta that seems to heavily imply grass geckos are going to get moon mutations in a future update.

I am not keeping grass gekkos as pets I absolutely hate them and would make their entire species extinct for all I care but they are unfortunately the best source of grass and even then sometimes we run out.

Grass gators are so much better, they look nice, do not walk through walls and don't need incentive to drop twigs.

[GelatinousCube]

29 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Have you ever considered that if your mobs are glitching through walls that Klei never actually intended for you to capture them as pets?

Glitch = intention...? What..?

I have never once ever had my grass geckos which I've had penned for literal thousands of in game years glitch through a wall ever.

Klei know how their game works and the very fact you can make mob pens in the first place means they clearly intended and are 100% aware that players can, do and like to pen various mobs. 

If they didn't want us to pen mobs they'd have them jump over, destroy, dig under etc the pens. They don't do any of these things or anything else and remain penned so long as you want them to be.

You seriously grasp at the absolute craziest straws sometimes. 

 

[gamehun20]

2 minutes ago, GelatinousCube said:

Glitch = intention...? What..?

I have never once ever had my grass geckos which I've had penned for literal thousands of in game years glitch through a wall ever.

Yeah no the only place they get out is the open gate

[GelatinousCube]

33 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Have you ever considered that if your mobs are glitching through walls that Klei never actually intended for you to capture them as pets?

 There is no pepe silvia Mike

[Baark0]

8 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

When you attempt to “Ascend” in Ark Survival Evolved the game will literally tell you that if you fail, everything you’ve ever worked towards up to this point will DIE..

Like once you go into the fight to fight the final boss… if you fail, the game deletes everything… not only that but this game was notorious for crashing during this final fight as well.

If true, this is terrible game design. Hardcore modes work when it's an opt in thing, but when it's suddenly thrown at you at the very end of the game then it's just a really poorly designed mechanic.

[DegenerateFurry]

Maybe the hail should only happen during a specific season, should be very rare, should only happen on full moon nights, or should only happen in areas where rifts are on-screen? I do think it needs to be limited and have some kind of warning first so people can get out of their bases at the very least. I guess it's another benefit to having a Wickerbottom around since her rain book can turn it off, can't it?

[cropo]

2 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Rifts aren't going to be the end of all pre rift content this content is more focused on survival why shouldn't you be expected to adapt to that when you willing decide to engage with it why does the game need to hold itself back from doing anything because you want it to cater only to your style of play specifically? 

Is it really focused on survival though? Really? Or is it based on minor inconveniences in terms of survival, but disastrous to bases?

 

 

I think what you guys are wanting is not an actual survival game, but a base-management simulator. With gameplay focused on a constant upkeep of structures. The arguments in favor of chaotically-stupid levels of griefing people start asking for would make more sense if we view it in this lens.

[gamehun20]

2 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

Maybe the hail should only happen during a specific season, should be very rare, should only happen on full moon nights, or should only happen in areas where rifts are on-screen? I do think it needs to be limited and have some kind of warning first so people can get out of their bases at the very least. I guess it's another benefit to having a Wickerbottom around since her rain book can turn it off, can't it?

I'm not sure if it can but we could have these while storms are active maybe?

[Popian]

2 hours ago, CuteC said:

I am completely aware they won't instantly blow up, my problem is that gekkos will die over them due to the fact they do not regenerate HP, you won't always turn on an umbrella or run away in time.

Does planting trees around them work? Maybe not all the time but it could be enough to extend their life by a good amount if you manage the fire hazard.

Seems like the safest place to have them now is under a pillar in caves if not a canopy by the ocean.

2 hours ago, CuteC said:

I am not sure but trust me it's better to not even walk near them, not only is it hard to get to them but those things are very likely to glitch through walls the second you step anywhere near them. We have a pen set up specifically so this doesn't happen and it still happened, which is why we use the  polly roger's hat instead.

I think they are less likely to clip in a bigger pen where they have a place to relax after getting startled, something like 5x3 tiles.

[Mysterious box]

21 minutes ago, cropo said:

Is it really focused on survival though? Really? Or is it based on minor inconveniences in terms of survival, but disastrous to bases?

 

 

I think what you guys are wanting is not an actual survival game, but a base-management simulator. With gameplay focused on a constant upkeep of structures. The arguments in favor of chaotically-stupid levels of griefing people start asking for would make more sense if we view it in this lens.

People keep saying that but what survival content isn't based on inconveniences? If it doesn't inconvenience you how can it even be considered content? 

Also I think too often you guys make assumptions on how we feel about content being added to support your jaded lens of how people want to enjoy the game it's somehow always we want everything to explode we want a litteral hellscape mostly because you can't seem to imagine people enjoying the game in a way different from you without there being something wrong with them it's really insulting so please for the sake of preventing more arguments stop doing this it's nothing but bad faith to undermind the opinions.

[Mr Giggio]

19 hours ago, Green Crystal said:

Sandbox games should respect the time players invest in their worlds

They do. U have to chill. Its an work in progress and of course it will have a solution. Follow ur own advice and dont turn then on till they get there. 

 

Too rude.

[CuteC]

8 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

They do. U have to chill. Its an work in progress and of course it will have a solution. Follow ur own advice and dont turn then on till they get there. 

 

Too rude.

People already have rifts on, what are they supposed to do.

[Mr Giggio]

2 minutes ago, CuteC said:

what are they supposed to do

how about bein patient that it has content in progress inside then

[cropo]

26 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

People keep saying that but what survival content isn't based on inconveniences? If it doesn't inconvenience you how can it even be considered content? 

Most of the features of this game aren't inconveniences, they are mechanics that you engage with and defeat. For the past many updates that added a feature that had a punishment just for engaging with it(like monkey raids), it's subsequent nerf or removal has been decried by a certain portion of the playerbase.

 

26 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

it's somehow always we want everything to explode we want a litteral hellscape

Judging by the content you actually seem to be asking for? I don't think it's an unfair assumption to make.

 

26 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

you can't seem to imagine people enjoying the game in a way different from you without there being something wrong with them

This whole ''It's all opinion, it's subjective'' argument is tired and old. Opinions are subject to scrutiny just like everything else, holding your arms up and shouting ''OPINION'' is not some kind of magic shield to deflect any criticism. Generally when you have an opinion on something, you've invested some sort of reasoning or logic into it that justifies it's position, without that basic thing it's wrong by default because you yourself don't even have a reason to believe in it.  Those reasons for a held opinion can be challenged and are not immune to scrutiny.

 

26 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

so please for the sake of preventing more arguments stop doing this it's nothing but bad faith to undermind the opinions.

Hiding and deflecting criticism by retreating to ''It's all opinion!'' is one of the worst-faith ways you can approach a situation. Which is constantly being done by people advocating for these more destructive changes. Probably because when it comes down to it, there isn't much else to argue for I guess.

[Green Crystal]

13 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

They do. U have to chill. Its an work in progress and of course it will have a solution. Follow ur own advice and dont turn then on till they get there. 

 

Too rude.

 

1 minute ago, Mr Giggio said:

how about bein patient that it has content in progress inside then

I'm not asking to revert everything back to pre rift or to be nerfed to oblivion, I'm all for this new stuff. I just think that more attention should be paid to players who prefer to built stuff and don't want to spent all their time running chores around to maintain everything because of these new additions. Like, when they were introduced, boulders just destroyed everything. Isn't it obvious that players don't like their stuff to be destroyed for no appearent reason? With new additions it's seems that it's no so. I think these issues need to be addressed.

And if that was rude, sorry, probably language barrier

[GelatinousCube]

28 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Also I think too often you guys make assumptions on how we feel about content being added to support your jaded lens of how people want to enjoy the game it's somehow always we want everything to explode we want a litteral hellscape mostly because you can't seem to imagine people enjoying the game in a way different from you without there being something wrong with them

I mean you might not suggest this stuff personally but I've seem a fair few suggestions from pro destruction people that are pretty extreme and outlandish.

Some people on the forums genuinely do want an exploding hellscape.  

[Mysterious box]

44 minutes ago, cropo said:

Most of the features of this game aren't inconveniences, they are mechanics that you engage with and defeat. For the past many updates that added a feature that had a punishment just for engaging with it(like monkey raids), it's subsequent nerf or removal has been decried by a certain portion of the playerbase.

From my experience the definition of features that aren't inconveniences suggested by people like you are things that don't do anything unless your the aggressor that's not a survival mechanic.

45 minutes ago, cropo said:

Judging by the content you actually seem to be asking for? I don't think it's an unfair assumption to make.

What content am I asking for? Seems like your just painting your own interpretation and declaring it as fact because I'm definitely not asking for bases to explode.

 

47 minutes ago, cropo said:

This whole ''It's all opinion, it's subjective'' argument is tired and old. Opinions are subject to scrutiny just like everything else, holding your arms up and shouting ''OPINION'' is not some kind of magic shield to deflect any criticism. Generally when you have an opinion on something, you've invested some sort of reasoning or logic into it that justifies it's position, without that basic thing it's wrong by default because you yourself don't even have a reason to believe in it.  Those reasons for a held opinion can be challenged and are not immune to scrutiny.

I'm not saying you can't disagree with my opinion I'm saying just because you disagree you can't make up crap and say that's my stance it's like me saying you only want to stay in base and disable all content not related to base building. It might not be true but I could make that assumption and it only would exist to discredit you. You can debate my opinion without making these lazy assumptions.

[LitulLola]

3 hours ago, CuteC said:

9 hours ago, LitulLola said:

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I am completely aware they won't instantly blow up, my problem is that gekkos will die over them due to the fact they do not regenerate HP, you won't always turn on an umbrella or run away in time.

You can spawn geckos again and again and again and again from the same 6 grass tufts over and over and over and over until the end of time! You will NEVER run out! You guys keep saying they will become extinct but what you really mean is that you don't want to have to replace any animal even if it's the easiest bleeping thing to do! If your not willing to protect them/get more if one or two die than that's on you. This entire thread has turned into one huge argument and is getting nowhere! 

I'm also really tired of the us vs them! I'm A mega baser and I'm of the opinion that our bases shouldn't remain a safe zone thru the endgame content! So please stop saying we are against mega basing or long-term worlds because I am both! I'm not going to throw a fit if I have to repair something from time to time.

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, CuteC said:

People already have rifts on, what are they supposed to do.

Do people forget that there was an entire QoL update that did NOTHING else but add new world Gen toggle settings and options?

As of some recent March QoL you’ve been able to now exit your worlds and toggle on/off many of the games features at your own leisure.

Summer just started but your noob friend wants to play with you for a few hours? You can disable summer and let them enjoy a casual time with the game.

Did you miss out on the last Year of the Animal event? You can turn it back on!

This update was Massive and was the entire focus of an entire months worth of content, so it is to say the least… disheartening to still see people underutilizing these settings.

[GelatinousCube]

1 minute ago, LitulLola said:

You can spawn geckos again and again and again and again from the same 6 grass tufts over and over and over and over until the end of time! You will NEVER run out! You guys keep saying they will become extinct but what you really mean is that you don't want to have to replace any animal even if it's the easiest bleeping thing to do! If your not willing to protect them/get more if one or two die than that's on you. This entire thread has turned into one huge argument and is getting nowhere! 

I'm also really tired of the us vs them! I'm A mega baser and I'm of the opinion that our bases shouldn't remain a safe zone thru the endgame content! So please stop saying we are against mega basing or long-term worlds because I am both! I'm not going to throw a fit if I have to repair something from time to time.

What are you talking about, grass geckos use up the tuft of grass they spawn from.. how can you keep making them from the same tufts? Do you know how they work? What?

It's a long term thing, over time each and every mob will slowly take damage from hail and die out. Yeah we don't want an extra addition to the gameplay loop of having to literally replace every single mob slowly over time. Its not fun it's not challenging it's a huge waste of time.

There's already so much to maintain and do late game, we do not need to replace every single mob as they slowly but surely die.

[LitulLola]

Just now, Mike23Ua said:

People already have rifts on, what are they supposed to do.

Turn them off

[CuteC]

7 minutes ago, LitulLola said:

You can spawn geckos again and again and again and again from the same 6 grass tufts over and over and over and over until the end of time! You will NEVER run out! You guys keep saying they will become extinct but what you really mean is that you don't want to have to replace any animal even if it's the easiest bleeping thing to do! If your not willing to protect them/get more if one or two die than that's on you. This entire thread has turned into one huge argument and is getting nowhere! 

Notice how I only mention gekkos because grass gators just respawn and you will hardly lose a goat pen unless it involves electricity, spawning new gekkos is a tedious process because you gotta roll that 1% every single time you pick grass and also that destroys the tuft in the process, so yes you can run out of them.

[LitulLola]

2 minutes ago, GelatinousCube said:

What are you talking about, grass geckos use up the tuft of grass they spawn from.. how can you keep making them from the same tufts? Do you know how they work? What?

It's a long term thing, over time each and every mob will slowly take damage from hail and die out. Yeah we don't want an extra addition to the gameplay loop of having to literally replace every single mob slowly over time. Its not fun it's not challenging it's a huge waste of time.

There's already so much to maintain and do late game, we do not need to replace every single mob as they slowly but surely die.

Sorry it's early and I've spent the last 2000 days ensuring that they don't spawn on my world because they kill you with lag. But "because I don't want too" isn't a great argument. We are not getting anywhere so I'm done with this thread. We will never agree on it plain and simple

[Mike23Ua]

1 minute ago, CuteC said:

Notice how I only mention gekkos because grass gators just respawn and you will hardly lose a goat pen unless it involves electricity, spawning new gekkos is a tedious process because you gotta roll that 1% every single time you pick grass and also that destroys the tuft in the process, so yes you can run out of them.

I mean… I feel like that’s a personal problem to be honest with you, people who only play the game on default survival settings are playing the game as a SURVIVAL Game and thus- Grass Tufts can eventually go extinct and you meet the end of your survival…

However- if you change your settings to ENDLESS (which you can now switch between the modes at any time even after world creation..) Grass Tufts will naturally respawn and regrow in the world over time.

Conclusion: If you want to Megabase and are worried about resource & mob extinction play on a mode where those things can’t go extinct?

Its not even a MOD it’s an actual game mode Klei took the time to develop for the game.

If your grass geckos go extinct and you somehow lose every tuft in a world- there is literally NOTHING stopping you from switching from survival to endless so tufts regrow and then should you choose to do so… back to survival again.

[goblinball]

9 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

From my experience the definition of features that aren't inconveniences suggested by people like you are things that don't do anything unless your the aggressor that's not a survival mechanic.

I don’t see the problem here, I think content that doesn’t actively intrude on your gameplay if you don’t want to deal with it is good. 
It’s not fun being forced to deal with a threat I don’t want to deal with rn, that’s just turning said threat into a chore, more than anything.

I understand this is kinda the opposite of a survival game but dst is only really a survival game in the very very early game. This isn’t a new thing, either. I mean, the game is barely a survival game if you can easily amass revival amulets, healing food, etc and turn death into a minor inconvenience.