This is intended..

[Hupo]

Think about this: player A thinks the animation is too slow as player B thinks it's too fast. Player C thinks the DF's health is too many to defeat as player D thinks DF battle is too easy. How do you satisfy all the players? There are thousands of players on the forums with different thoughts. They agree with A and D, what about B and C? Player B thinks it's common. Player D posts a new thread and cries, "Oh my god why klei's devs don's respect us 6 or 7 or 8 yrs players, we are important, our thoughts are important, you must respect us! Klei!"

Also, in the picture, he posted this on Bug Tracker, JesseB thought it is not a bug as a developer, so he changed the status to closed. This is not ignoring, right? Then the best choice is to click the General Discussion and post a new thread. 

The most important thing is that everyone is important here. No one is nobler than others, no matter you play this game 7 yrs or 7 days.

[Tranoze]

33 minutes ago, Hupo said:

How do you satisfy all the players? There are thousands of players on the forums with different thoughts.

They can just add poll in game ask us about stuff.  thousands of players on the forums? i think only hundreds active in forum. Knowing what fanbase and playerbase want from a game, what they enjoy doing, will help a lot.
Minecraft have active vote on decide what mob they add next, why cant klei do this for new features or skins they want to implement?

Even stay in this forum for long, i never seen klei dev ask us anything or what we want, they just stay silently observe us.

Edited January 27 by Tranoze

[GNGR bred boi]

If you're all worried about chopping / mining / working etc just play Maxwell LOL!! 

(really though, I don't think changing the animation speed to "how it's intended" is all too bad, but I can see how it would upset some people.) 

[gamehun20]

9 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Minecraft have active vote on decide what mob they add next, why cant klei do this for new features they want to implement?

klei dev ask us anything or what we want, they just stay silently observe us.

things like priority and how updates are in between dst and minecraft are quite different. Klei makes a road map for the year unlike Mojang. The "mob votes" also happen like once a year maybe and it's polling one mob not a whole update. There are betas just for this reason to see if people like what was cooking or not. You can't satisfy everyone there will always be someone who dislikes it.

they sometimes come in and say a word or two.

[GNGR bred boi]

19 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Minecraft have active vote on decide what mob they add next, why cant klei do this for new features or skins they want to implement?

Well, the mob votes on Minecraft have had their fair share of controversy and I am of the mind that Klei implements things into their game as non-controversial as possible, and often try to reach a goal/ common ground with the community most of the time. Which is why I think a poll wouldn't be the best option as their end goal is to satisfy the most amount of people without dividing the community. 

[Tranoze]

3 minutes ago, gamehun20 said:

there will always be someone who dislikes it.

The point of asking in poll or asking anything at all is to know the amount of people dislike the change going to be a huge part of player base or not. Dev only announce stuff, i never seen them ask for player's opinion on somethings. If they can ask stuff like for this 10 items, which you like to have skin the most, they can add skin at highest efficient. 

For the attackspeed and chopping speed, i feel no different as maxwell main, so i wont complain about it, but for people use axes and pick axes, that is a huge QOL downgrade.
 

 

1 minute ago, GNGR bred boi said:

Well, the mob votes on Minecraft have had their fair share of controversy and I am of the mind that Klei implements things into their game as non-controversial as possible, and often try to reach a goal/ common ground with the community most of the time. Which is why I think a poll wouldn't be the best option as their end goal is to satisfy the most amount of people without dividing the community. 

I just want klei dev to be more active on gather feedback from players, and as i example above, poll about skin will grant them plenty of weath.

[GNGR bred boi]

11 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

I just want klei dev to be more active on gather feedback from players, and as i example above, poll about skin will grant them plenty of weath.

I don't know why they'd have a poll for a skin when they could just implement both and satisfy everyone 

I would understand if they had a poll for something like what update they should implement first, but that may also spoil some things they work on and it would be a bit less of a surprise. Also having a poll would mean they'd have to work faster on the thing that was voted for, and I think it's better Klei takes their time when developing new stuff for the game. 

[Tranoze]

2 minutes ago, GNGR bred boi said:

I don't know why they'd have a poll for a skin when they could just implement both and satisfy everyone 

 

2 minutes ago, GNGR bred boi said:

takes their time

 

3 minutes ago, GNGR bred boi said:

work faster on the thing that was voted for

 

3 minutes ago, GNGR bred boi said:

satisfy everyone 

 

[Mysterious box]

16 hours ago, Lardee said:

I understand that that argument.  However, I don't see why both parties can't get what they want.  If there is an exploit (aka unintended feature) that makes the game more enjoyable, and the developers are worried about the exploit potentially having negative ramifications for future game design, IMO the best path forward would be to incorporate the "effect" the bug had into the design.

The simple answer is it isn't always possible if something unintended is removed because designing around it shifts the balance of the game making it a official mechanic still has that balance shifted for better or worse.

16 hours ago, Lardee said:

For example, if there is a bug that lets the players chop/mine/attack faster, the best path forward would be to fix the issue that caused the bug while also changing the design intent so that the chop/mine/attack speed matches that of the exploit.

I'm not saying wether tasks should be faster or not but that logic can also be taken to a extreme for example what if there was a bug that allowed you to instantly chop or mine things there would still be a portion of the playerbase for this change citing that this makes the game more fun as it removes the tedium of  chopping for minutes on end would it still make sense to fix the bug and match that output? Again this is a extreme example.

[GNGR bred boi]

I don't know if you know this, but 2 skins is a lot easier to implement than 2 entire updates 

[Tranoze]

4 minutes ago, GNGR bred boi said:

I don't know if you know this, but 2 skins is a lot easier to implement than 2 entire updates 

I dont know if you know this, but there are different people working on different area of expertise, skin making require animator, not coder/developer. Only modder like me have to do our own animation, and gotta say, drawing stuff is harder than coding stuff for me. And animator need time to draw, they can only make certain amount of skins per update, while not make it worth wile for player and give them skins on thing they need?

[Catteflyterpill]

57 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

They can just add poll in game ask us about stuff.  thousands of players on the forums? i think only hundreds active in forum. Knowing what fanbase and playerbase want from a game, what they enjoy doing, will help a lot.
Minecraft have active vote on decide what mob they add next, why cant klei do this for new features or skins they want to implement?

Even stay in this forum for long, i never seen klei dev ask us anything or what we want, they just stay silently observe us.

But Klei can't make a poll every single time they want to implement something. Especially for something like a bug fix. I think it'd make more sense for players to post why they think the change has made things more tedious and get the devs to listen to them to implement solutions that can satisfy the playerbase without reverting a fix to the game. A poll would be an even more tedious and divisive way of trying to implement these changes. Plus not every player is on the forums, there's some who talk on different social media or platforms or don't even talk at all - and all of their experiences and opinions are also important to the game's health.

A poll might be interesting for something like choosing the next skin theme, but overall I think it would just be as controversial as Minecraft's. Not to mention they're two very different games, so the way the devs handle updates for each is vastly different and with reason.

[GNGR bred boi]

1 minute ago, Tranoze said:

I dont know if you know this, but there are different people working on different area of expertise, skin making require animator, not coder/developer. Only modder like me have to do our own animation, and gotta say, drawing stuff is harder than coding stuff for me. And animator need time to draw, they can only make certain amount of skins per update, while not make it worth wile for player and give them skins on thing they need?

This is getting redundant, but I know that you know an update needs artwork too, right? You can't add an invisible object to the game and call it an update. Additionally, depending on the update, they have to add new animations, while with a skin they already have the animations, they just have to put the skin over them. 

[Tranoze]

Just now, Catteflyterpill said:

But Klei can't make a poll every single time they want to implement something.

The point is they never ask us anything, poll or not, they dont have to do that on every single step, just sometimes, have players insight is better than goin blindly.
 

 

1 minute ago, GNGR bred boi said:

This is getting redundant, but I know that you know an update needs artwork too, right? You can't add an invisible object to the game and call it an update. Additionally, depending on the update, they have to add new animations, while with a skin they already have the animations, they just have to put the skin over them. 

Do you think i mean "we should use all resource on skins instead of update"? What i mean is "For the next skin set, instead of these 5 skins got added, we choose this other 5 skins instead because players really need these skin". bruh...

[GNGR bred boi]

2 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

The point is they never ask us anything, poll or not, they dont have to do that on every single step, just sometimes, have players insight is better than goin blindly.

They don't just go blindly though. They put stuff in their game as they see fit, and get the player's feedback on it. That's the whole point of having a "beta branch" in the first place. 

[Catteflyterpill]

1 minute ago, Tranoze said:

The point is they never ask us anything, poll or not, they dont have to do that on every single step, just sometimes, have players insight is better than goin blindly.
 

 

Do you think i mean "we should use all resource on skins instead of update"? What i mean is "For the next skin set, instead of these 5 skins got added, we choose this other 5 skins instead because players really need these skin". bruh...

I don't think the devs go in blindly at all. They give us roadmaps for the update expectations, let us play betas to test the game and see what works and what doesn't, have forums for us to discuss our thoughts. I'm sure they monitor all their social media platforms and get plenty of data from players to make changes. A poll might be fun for something less consequential and gimmicky like skins, so I don't mind that idea terribly but it's kind of jumping the gun to assume they don't listen to the playerbase. 

[Tranoze]

7 minutes ago, Catteflyterpill said:

 Plus not every player is on the forums, there's some who talk on different social media or platforms or don't even talk at all

That why i ask for

1 hour ago, Tranoze said:

They can just add poll in game 

 

[Hupo]

蚌。

[Tranoze]

2 minutes ago, Catteflyterpill said:

assume they don't listen to the playerbase. 

No, they listen to playerbase alot, but the never question player base. They can get more information when they question player base.

[nimzowitsch10]

the development team has to have changed drastically over the years because the type of decisions, updates, and content we're getting is nothing close to the type of updates we were getting when we were getting cool bosses like bee queen/fuelweaver. Feels like they're just releasing an update to meet the quota every month given by tencent.and not actually listening to none of the fans. I guess a small indie game company kinda loses its drive, vision, goals after being sold to a multi billion dollar company like tencent. The creator is off sipping pina coladas on an island somewhere while the playerbase is being left behind, but who can blame him.

Edited January 27 by nimzowitsch10

[Just-guy]

1 hour ago, Tranoze said:

No, they listen to playerbase alot, but the never question player base. They can get more information when they question player base.

They already get information through discussions in the forums, steam discussions, etc about things that are liked/disliked, a poll just gives singular option to things that need more thought and it seems a waste to make a poll for every single bug fix that receives backlash.

[GamePlayer42]

3 hours ago, Tranoze said:

They can just add poll in game ask us about stuff.  thousands of players on the forums? i think only hundreds active in forum. Knowing what fanbase and playerbase want from a game, what they enjoy doing, will help a lot.
Minecraft have active vote on decide what mob they add next, why cant klei do this for new features or skins they want to implement?

Even stay in this forum for long, i never seen klei dev ask us anything or what we want, they just stay silently observe us.

good suggestion, but dont starve isnt 2d minecraft

it is 2.5d mincraft

[benfroyobro9381]

1 hour ago, nimzowitsch10 said:

the development team has to have changed drastically over the years because the type of decisions, updates, and content we're getting is nothing close to the type of updates we were getting when we were getting cool bosses like bee queen/fuelweaver. Feels like they're just releasing an update to meet the quota every month given by tencent.and not actually listening to none of the fans. I guess a small indie game company kinda loses its drive, vision, goals after being sold to a multi billion dollar company like tencent. The creator is off sipping pina coladas on an island somewhere while the playerbase is being left behind, but who can blame him.

That fells like an unfair assumption to make, and using tencent as a scapegoat feels like coping. We're still getting plenty of good updates with great features, celestial champion, lunar island, reap what you sow, waterlogged, wanda, reworks, etc. The updates may not be as exciting to many as they used to be, but they still undeniably have plenty of work, charm, and love behind them, and to assume these things about klei is a bit off to me. 

Edited January 27 by benfroyobro9381

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 hours ago, nimzowitsch10 said:

the development team has to have changed drastically over the years because the type of decisions, updates, and content we're getting is nothing close to the type of updates we were getting when we were getting cool bosses like bee queen/fuelweaver. Feels like they're just releasing an update to meet the quota every month given by tencent.and not actually listening to none of the fans. I guess a small indie game company kinda loses its drive, vision, goals after being sold to a multi billion dollar company like tencent. The creator is off sipping pina coladas on an island somewhere while the playerbase is being left behind, but who can blame him.

before tencent they already have a compact schedule and you know why? because is a bussiness that needs to stay alive, is a tactic. Also saying that we got nothing compared to fw or bq is a non sense when we got awesome stuff like giant trees or the boss with the most ambicious design, celestial champion

they do listen a lot to fans, sometimes even too much. A lot of the mechanics and content comes from player suggestions like having infinity light for mushlighs, waxed giant veggies, wx refresh mechanics and a huge etc

[nimzowitsch10]

@benfroyobro9381 lunar island and reap what you sow were before they got sold but I get what you mean. I just feel the game is getting stale with these updates in terms of content which we had a ton of during 2016-2020. After early 2021 (which is when they got sold) I feel like there was a shift from content to reworks which may have come from a change in the development team? Reworks are cool but 2 years of little content makes the game feel stale. Correlation doesn't equal causation though so yeah maybe the tencent deal didn't change anything in the development side of dst.