Rain rituals needs to be kneecapped

[lakhnish]

This book seems to be Klei's answer to the very long-standing request of a rain machine item in DST where they "wanted to do it right" and I am grateful they finally added it to the game.

[Capybara007]

9 minutes ago, yourAnty said:

People will probably do both anyways. And if there's no Wickerbottom on the team?

If there is no wickerbottom in the team then they will farm deerclops, but your point was that the rain book isnt gonna be used in spring which isnt true

2 minutes ago, lakhnish said:

This book seems to be Klei's answer to the very long-standing request of a rain machine item in DST where they "wanted to do it right" and I am grateful they finally added it to the game.

i dont like that they locked it into a character, a rain item was very suggested

i hope in the future they give us an actual option that isnt as overwhelming as spamming telestaffs but isnt as good as rain book so it doesnt overshadow wicker

[Antynomity]

1 minute ago, Capybara007 said:

If there is no wickerbottom in the team then they will farm deerclops, but your point was that the rain book isnt gonna be used in spring which isnt true

I said in the post you quoted that people will do both 

[Capybara007]

32 minutes ago, yourAnty said:

time gating Practical Rain Rituals makes so the only time you get it at (spring) is the time where it's the most useless during (rains as you know are pretty common, long and intense during Spring)

but you said this

[lakhnish]

3 minutes ago, Capybara007 said:

i dont like that they locked it into a character, a rain item was very suggested

i hope in the future they give us an actual option that isnt as overwhelming as spamming telestaffs but isnt as good as rain book so it doesnt overshadow wicker

Yeah, I agree with that part of the rain item being a general craft rather than a character specific craft. 

But personally speaking, I've been waiting close to 2 years since they said they would add it and I was actually about to give up on the idea only for Klei to actually add this, so I'm just happy that it finally exists \o/

[Atkvin]

13 hours ago, yourAnty said:

Sorry, I worded myself incorrectly but time gating Practical Rain Rituals makes so the only time you get it at (spring) is the time where it's the most useless during

 

13 hours ago, yourAnty said:

getting eyebrellas for everyone, killing glommer on day 31 before the full moon, getting 1-2 goops from it and repeating the process while killing the glommer, and ending up with a few eyebrellas with a bit of luck at the end of winter.

I think you meant to say "useless/niche for speedrunning"? Having rain on control isn't less powerful just because it's gated behind the first spring - even in spring it's at the very least convenient doing away with the need to sacrifice your headslot all the time and stopping all fire and fuel becoming less efficient due to wetness. And having the book is magical for summer too.

If you desire to mix things up by having access to this ability sooner, you can simply start a server in spring. It isn't wise to balance around speedrunners - grief potential being brought up again like a dead horse, is still a valid concern for public servers.

Also, in a standard public server, I personally feel it is more interesting to have players put in resources, effort and strategy to farm eyebrellas like you are suggesting to collectively manage the spring season, at least for the first year.

[WhackE]

On 7/26/2022 at 7:38 AM, ArubaroBeefalo said:

didnt test it but might be useful under heavy rain while fighting some bosses with certain methods that doesnt allow you to wear cloths which was my point

but sure, a temperature book overlaps with a rain book cuz 1 perk

Yeah that about this more too, they overlap and combo, If you want rain, guess what Wicker has a book that removes wetness and makes you immune. So you can in fact have your rain and be immune in one character.

This is exactly what I mean by the versatility Rain rituals has.

I still don't understand what most of you people are trying to refute, maybe I didn't explain things well enough, but that doesn't mean i'm wrong.

 

[Notecja]

Rain Rituals can stop frog rain as well.
Nothing else can mitigate frog rain, maybe except for Abigail with (2-4 depending on lenght of event) Spectral All-cures.
Can stop rain in caves (I can hear WX ordering his "minion" to stop rain, so he could farm ruins more) or cause rain in caves on demand as well (Toadstool? Do you like rain?).

I also agree that temperature book partially overlaps with rain book. But only partially, and is more because of short effect of temperature book and how it works mostly for troubles. Rain book can both cause and mitigate problems for which you could use temperature temperates.

[Parusoid]

8 hours ago, WhackE said:

removes wetness and makes you immune

it does not make you immune 

1 minute ago, Notecja said:

Nothing else can mitigate frog rain

clever disguise can

[Notecja]

3 minutes ago, Parusoid said:

clever disguise can

You still have tons of frogs, that gonna aggro on things around (like farm of grass geckos or goats), also you cannot repair clever disguise, it rots overtime. Also still rains, so you get wet or need to drop backpack for cloth slot.

[Parusoid]

1 minute ago, Notecja said:

 you cannot repair clever disguise, it rots overtime.

you can craft new one, its not different from just healing abigail like in your example

[Notecja]

5 minutes ago, Parusoid said:

you can craft new one, its not different from just healing abigail like in your example

Is different. Takes head slot that could be used for rain protection, or light during night. With book you just switch it off. Rain with frogs will not even start. Nothing will get mess up.
With Abby you still risk frogs in other areas, albo you need spend time on 2-3 minigames to get that many spectral cures.
For masks you need to have Wurt, but as Wurt you don't need to even care about rain. So everybody can just soak. She just stops frogs with messing with her, not whole consequences.

[Parusoid]

1 minute ago, Notecja said:

Takes head slot that could be used for rain protection, or light during night.

youre not limited to only head slot, you also have chest and hand slot

[Notecja]

Just now, Parusoid said:

youre not limited to only head slot, you also have chest and hand slot

and with Wicker you don't need to sacriface anything. You even can get extra space, where you don't need to carry any rain gear and any masks.

[Parusoid]

 

3 minutes ago, Notecja said:

and with Wicker you don't need to sacriface anything. You even can get extra space, where you don't need to carry any rain gear and any masks.

yeah, because each character have its own way of dealing with things

she has to sacrifice in other areas where other characters dont have to

[cybers2001]

If wicker goes back to being an unplayed character, I'm blaming the whiners in this forum.

FFS the rain rituals book does NOT need to be kneecapped. If you're choosing to play Wickerbottom vs an actually OP character, then you should be able to have some decently useful books. If you're playing as Wickerbottom to control the rain the entire season, you're not:

• Taking advantage of wetness debuffs while playing as Wolfgang or Wanda.
• Avoiding the summer to base in the caves or clearing ruins.
• Sitting at an oasis being bored for however many years that existed in the game.

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, cybers2001 said:

• Avoiding the summer to base in the caves or clearing ruins.
• Sitting at an oasis being bored for however many years that existed in the game.

I mean you could just turn off wildfires if you don't want to engage with the mechanic and Wickerbottom is in the catageory of op characters not sure why you'd assume otherwise it's part of her appeal your a god of resources and events when you play her.

[cybers2001]

4 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

I mean you could just turn off wildfires if you don't want to engage with the mechanic and Wickerbottom is in the catageory of op characters not sure why you'd assume otherwise it's part of her appeal your a god of resources and events when you play her.

Yes but are you really going to spend an entire in-game year just farming resources? I can spend a single day spamming horticulture and siviculture books and get all the resources I'll need for a while. The longest I think I've played Wickerbottom is a season or two out of my 5000 day world for farming bird feathers. The rain book would actually make me play her far more regularly.

[WhackE]

7 hours ago, Parusoid said:

it does not make you immune 

I think I was misremembering the immunity glitch as a feature then.

[Mysterious box]

2 hours ago, cybers2001 said:

Yes but are you really going to spend an entire in-game year just farming resources? I can spend a single day spamming horticulture and siviculture books and get all the resources I'll need for a while. The longest I think I've played Wickerbottom is a season or two out of my 5000 day world for farming bird feathers. The rain book would actually make me play her far more regularly.

Though resources are a big part of the game I see it as a big advantage in itself but even then there more things she can farm as well like glass or glimmer goop which is alot more important with hostile flares being a thing just to name a few even then you've got personal minions and a regenerating panflute among other things Wickerbottom is fun specifically because she has so many spells you can use to help with different goals. That being said I feel like the rain book is fine where it is now it doesn't come to late be useful I do feel like it's too much power to put in the hands of a player in the first year but I'm not a fan of putting a year long time gate on a character perk so this is probably for the best.

[Mantispidae]

On 7/29/2022 at 10:51 AM, lakhnish said:

Yeah, I agree with that part of the rain item being a general craft rather than a character specific craft. 

But personally speaking, I've been waiting close to 2 years since they said they would add it and I was actually about to give up on the idea only for Klei to actually add this, so I'm just happy that it finally exists \o/

With this in mine, I think I like the idea of the Wicker rain book being a early game achievable, non time-gated item more. Something she can access early on and use to manipulate the seasons, and then adding a general item that does similar that has some world progression limits (like needing the goose feathers.)

That leaves wicker with a strong perk right out the gate (but mostly before things start to really need it, such as summer fires) but allows other players to later get something going that has the same function.

Doing such gives wicker a few smaller perks related to early rain access, such as doing Pearl's quests- and the addition of the item doesn't completely step on her toes as she will always be able to access it earlier if the general item is locked behind world progression.

[hhh2]

Should have made this thread a poll, because I do not agree.