Forum's Opinion on the Wolfgang Refresh (haha I strike again!).

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Snarklord vs wendy main?

[reallychina]

6 hours ago, Guille6785 said:

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I'm pretty sure calling out names would break forum tos and get this thread locked immediately but yes I'm aware of at least 1 of the developers who's been actively making fun of the people who didn't like the rework (me primarily) and who I'm pretty sure has also taken part in a harassment campaign against me by some immature people on a discord server who try to make me and my friends look bad and falsely accuse me of doing and saying things I never did

another funny thing said developer did was dm me a pretty childish response then blocked me immediately afterwards so I couldn't respond lmao

I know I have a huge ego too but at least I'm not the one who's supposed to behave professionally lol

it's whatever now though, I really have no interest in the game anymore, these days I only hop on dst for a few minutes a day at most to talk with friends, but I guess I have nothing else to lose

 

Not surprised at all of this, dev's attitude towards all of the feedback on wolfgang (ignore hundreds of pages of feedback and move on like nothing ever happened) has been disgusting. completely turned me off DST, even if i wasn't even maining Wolfgang anymore.

 

I am not a fan of being p!ssed on

[Gashzer]

4 hours ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

In a quite funny way, Gashzer "review" sounds like one made by some corporate employee at the hastily behalf of their boss "Sammy my man, come-come, I need you to do ASAP a positive review for our latest product, The TeethCrumblyPuller 5000. Hurry, time flies and you doing nothing costs me money I'll deduct from your salary!". Sam at the keyboard: "Best product ever from its line, pulls efficiently teeth big and small, makes good grind, compact and ergonomic, I recommend it on Twatter, 5/5 stars, even my Grandma and her cat love it, totally worth the cost! Buy it now for your Mother-in-law!"

Well atleast I don't sound like a bunch of crybabies, moaning continuously, making 100s of "wolfgang opinion threads" like no wonder klei doesn't listen to or act on, 95% of the feedback got from the forums. 

3 hours ago, Shosuko said:

tbh - I felt the post was a troll, faking enthusiasm for an obviously flawed kit...  but their name wasn't @Cloakingsumo198 so I decided to respond lol

I legitimately really like the rework, the kit isn't flawed at all. Instead of spending 30secs a day cooking food around 6 crockpot you spend time alot less time cooking to pump a dumbell for 15secs (using a gembell each day is functionally the same as cooking on a portable crockpot for a cheeky meatball). People forget how much cooking you needed to do as old wolfgang which is why no one played him beyond short term boss rush sessions and only veteran players benefitted from that boss rush playstyle.

Wolfgang is fine, stop making these threads, klei did a good job.

Peace out!

[Yuuko]

19 minutes ago, MrSoratori said:

kinda funny how u guys keep doin it and doint it and doint it... almost the dairly post with the same faces arguing

time to get over ladies seriously get some help

 

10 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Well atleast I don't sound like a bunch of crybabies, moaning continuously, making 100s of "wolfgang opinion threads" like no wonder klei doesn't listen to or act on, 95% of the feedback got from the forums. 

 

omg ppl on a forum talking about stuff... the world will end O_O 

If you don't wanna see the thread, don't feed it with your posts.

I'm not crying, and I don't harbor animosity towards anyone.  I even enjoy Mike's threads when he goes off telling stories.  We're all forumites here doing forum things.

[Cloakingsumo198]

20 minutes ago, MrSoratori said:

kinda funny how u guys keep doin it and doint it and doint it... almost the dairly post with the same faces arguing

The oldest hypocrisy probably.

Complaining about people complaining lmao.

11 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

I sound like a crybabi

 

[Gashzer]

1 minute ago, Shosuko said:

 

omg ppl on a forum talking about stuff... the world will end O_O 

If you don't wanna see the thread, don't feed it with your posts.

Talking about the same thing.... continuously...

I don't want klei to change the new wolfgang hence why I'm showing my support against the hater mob. 

[Yuuko]

1 minute ago, Gashzer said:

Talking about the same thing.... continuously...

I don't want klei to change the new wolfgang hence why I'm showing my support against the hater mob. 

I've been talking about the same thing here for years.  If you think sharing your opinion here helps, then pull up a chair lol you'll be here a while XD

[blacknight7890]

16 hours ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

Are you really sure about that?

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Don't drag me into this, I moved past this topic a while ago, not my problem anymore.

[dubious little]

11 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

but that sounds like hidding the problem. Instead of being still for some seconds you get late for few secons (that if we asume that the points gained over time were the same) which isnt fun neither, slow gameplay. the mechanic will still being blad

would be better if eating protein based foods gives a mighty multiplier or being able to stop the mightiness drop by working (chopping, mining, etc), wearing heavy objects (piggybag, icecube, marble armor) plus they should buff the mighty gain from stone and gold dumbbells since right now all experience players just ignore them while new players are cursed by needing to idle for a lot more time than experience ones

also, even if they change how it works, you will still have few benefits from being mighty

I mean thats entirely changing him again though, I'm saying this is a solution for Klei's current rework since if he gains mightyness from basic tasks that you constantly do there's no point in keeping the gym or dumbells, even if it was less than the dumbells wearing a piggyback is a constant source of mightyness without sacrificing anything. I'm fine if they completely rereworked him but I doubt they will like you're saying. The issue is he's boring, he's boring cause you have to sit still, let him get mighty on the go, getting to a boss a couple of seconds earlier doesn't matter because Wolfgang will kill it earlier already balancing it out to either quicker or the same speed.

[Notecja]

14 minutes ago, dubious little said:

I mean thats entirely changing him again though, I'm saying this is a solution for Klei's current rework since if he gains mightyness from basic tasks that you constantly do there's no point in keeping the gym or dumbells, even if it was less than the dumbells wearing a piggyback is a constant source of mightyness without sacrificing anything. I'm fine if they completely rereworked him but I doubt they will like you're saying. The issue is he's boring, he's boring cause you have to sit still, let him get mighty on the go, getting to a boss a couple of seconds earlier doesn't matter because Wolfgang will kill it earlier already balancing it out to either quicker or the same speed.

Different effectivity with different things might keep all things in use. Don't forget not everybody is good or just lucky with looting enough purple gems and there is quite a lot of different sinks for them, so some Wolfgangs might be forced to use only gym.

[SecretPizzaMan]

1 hour ago, MrSoratori said:

kinda funny how u guys keep doin it and doint it and doint it... almost the dairly post with the same faces arguing

time to get over ladies seriously get some help

Maybe these posts would end faster if Klei responded and actually, you know, tell the community that what we got is what what we get.

[EssZee]

21 hours ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

Make the poll public so we can see all the Wanda/WX/Wormwood/Wortox-avatar people voting on "Yes, I like very much the new Wolfgang rework (because it nerfed him and now my main can shine bright, hyuhyu!)"

[Duck986]

btw

Klei: "We're certainly keeping an eye on feedback, but we'd like you all to give it some time and let us know what you think"

Also Klei: Not even saying a damn word after letting their forums burn to the ground.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 hour ago, dubious little said:

I mean thats entirely changing him again though, I'm saying this is a solution for Klei's current rework since if he gains mightyness from basic tasks that you constantly do there's no point in keeping the gym or dumbells, even if it was less than the dumbells wearing a piggyback is a constant source of mightyness without sacrificing anything. I'm fine if they completely rereworked him but I doubt they will like you're saying. The issue is he's boring, he's boring cause you have to sit still, let him get mighty on the go, getting to a boss a couple of seconds earlier doesn't matter because Wolfgang will kill it earlier already balancing it out to either quicker or the same speed.

but you dont get that there is no different between being still for 2 seconds and keep the way with a walking cane vs going slower. Is the same bland and slow gameplay

[abrocator]

2 hours ago, MrSoratori said:

time to get over ladies seriously get some help

Sorry, I can’t just change my sexual orientation like that.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 hours ago, MrSoratori said:

kinda funny how u guys keep doin it and doint it and doint it... almost the dairly post with the same faces arguing

time to get over ladies seriously get some help

[sudoku]

11 hours ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

For real?! Are devs making fun in public spaces of forums suggestions and/or of the people making them even if they're rigorously documented/supported by relevant arguments? (though would be tasteless from a developer position to ridicule any comment, no matter how outlandish it might be) If that's the case I consider my dwell around these forums reaching its untimely end and will excuse myself the f%ck out of here since would make it pointless to further interact. I knew there are slim chances bulk ideas to be even taken into consideration, but if all we are for devs is amusement, yeah, that puts a lid on it with a most "hit the road Jack!"

I dont like this either. Some people might not 100% like everything klei does but they are passionate enough fans who care about your product enough to engage with the community and offer feedback on how they think things could be be better, which is invaluable information for a developer.

Who wants to be made fun of because they are passionate about your game? Its okay if klei disagrees with fans ideas/thoughts, that is the nature of them being a developer and having to make desicions, but to mock them for taking the extra engagement beyond 1. buying your game 2. playing your game and then 3. seeking out your game community is disgusting.

It hits especially hard,  particularly when most feedback on here gets no direct response from klei, so are we to assume they are silently mocking fans and threads/posts on discord.  It makes me think twice about devoting so much time to caring about this game if in turn its only rewarded by vitriol from the devlopers instead of them at least silently acknowledging that an opinion is an opinion. I thought we were at the very least granted that. 

Ive spent a stupid amount of time on concept art for skins and archipeligo map designs, as well as concepting some ideas ive had for bosses and mobs for a seasons refresh (i havent posted them yet) because i love this game. I wasnt ever expecting a developer to praise them but i certainly never in a million years was expecting a possibility of them making fun of them. Makes me feel stupid as a whole and i probably will refrain from engaging so much with this game.

 

[dubious little]

17 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

but you dont get that there is no different between being still for 2 seconds and keep the way with a walking cane vs going slower. Is the same bland and slow gameplay

It's really not tho... standing still and moving is completely different, you'd just be walking at the standard walking speed (maybe besides when you're wimpy?) which you've done the entire time during autumn or possibly still doing if you couldn't get a tusk, are you really saying the standard walking speed is as bad as standing still just because you can use an item to go faster? Like I said, there's no reason for you to be going faster on the way to fight a boss, Wolfgangs entire gimmick is killing bosses and I already said how it wouldn't be slower with fighting bosses because he kills them much faster. Even then you don't need to be mighty outside of combat, so you can use a walking cane almost the entire time besides for getting back to normal again.

[dubious little]

1 hour ago, Notecja said:

Different effectivity with different things might keep all things in use. Don't forget not everybody is good or just lucky with looting enough purple gems and there is quite a lot of different sinks for them, so some Wolfgangs might be forced to use only gym.

But doing it that way either makes dumbells irrelevant (which Klei seemingly wants them to be used) or makes it a slow way of gaining mightyness, there's no way to balance it out without just removing dumbells which I'd be fine with, but again that'd be more of a rerework which I'm unsure how down they are to do something like that. Even then Wolfgang isn't meant to be a beginner character so I don't think he should cater to people who aren't good, I think having hard characters is healthy since a good amount of the characters make the game easier. However I do think the gembell is flawed already since it encourages Wolf to go to the ruins (if he couldn't get any gems from graves) which is already a Wanda thing.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, dubious little said:

But doing it that way either makes dumbells irrelevant (which Klei seemingly wants them to be used) or makes it a slow way of gaining mightyness, there's no way to balance it out without just removing dumbells which I'd be fine with, but again that'd be more of a rerework which I'm unsure how down they are to do something like that. Even then Wolfgang isn't meant to be a beginner character so I don't think he should cater to people who aren't good, I think having hard characters is healthy since a good amount of the characters make the game easier. However I do think the gembell is flawed already since it encourages Wolf to go to the ruins (if he couldn't get any gems from graves) which is already a Wanda thing.

but getting gold or rocks isnt difficult which leads to have easy access to dumbells that make the character so boring instead of being low durability/damage(kle buff the durability while using them as weapon, is changing just 1 danm number) version of the gembell

also a lot of people (myself included) rely on wolf to learn fighting the bosses. Im glad i could experience the old Wolfgang,if not idk how i would learn how to beat BQ or FW without wasting tons of resources, while, if you use wolf, you can create a world, play as him and fight bosses multiple times for so little grindy until you get used and try a wilson like character to test if you learned the fight flow

[Atkvin]

39 minutes ago, sudoku said:

Who wants to be made fun of because they are passionate about your game? Its okay if klei disagrees with fans ideas/thoughts, that is the nature of them being a developer and having to make desicions, but to mock them for taking the extra engagement beyond 1. buying your game 2. playing your game and then 3. seeking out your game community is disgusting.

Agreed, again I advice everyone to remain civil and respectful, and repeat this shouldn't be perpetuated as fact when proof cannot be posted - but if this really is true it is deeply discouraging and off-putting as players and creators whether or not we should continue engaging with the game on a deeper level (or if at all, if the issues are deeply rooted in gameplay) if the dev shows that they are unwilling to accept criticism when their work is received poorly, and would even unprofessionally make fun of their fans.

These may just be forum discussions, but some serious thought may go into some suggestions and ideas trying to improve the game. I can't speak for anyone else but I legitimately might freeze what I'm doing for a good hour or so thinking how to improve something because it's a fun puzzle improving and fixing complicated fictional problems (and I have problems).

39 minutes ago, sudoku said:

It hits especially hard,  particularly when most feedback on here gets no direct response from klei, so are we to assume they are silently mocking fans and threads/posts on discord.

Now, I think this may be going a little overboard, as to my memory Klei has never been very forthcoming, and I still feel like the update was recent enough that the devs are simply still silently observing and taking feedback and considering how to improve a controversial change, and when it is wise to concretely make such an announcement. Lack of proof about the incident aside, I also want to give the devs benefit of the doubt not all of them would conduct themselves this way - and hope they will educate/discipline any newer members on conducting themselves more professionally as well.

39 minutes ago, sudoku said:

Ive spent a stupid amount of time on concept art for skins and archipeligo map designs, as well as concepting some ideas ive had for bosses and mobs for a seasons refresh (i havent posted them yet) because i love this game.

Also, have you?! That's so inspiring! I've taken to writing a whole doc of ideas to add more depth and fun to each of the seasons in my spare time that would probably elicit hushed, disapproving whispers and this dev to send me a rickroll or something. But I absolutely love it, it is such a fun puzzle I get to put together and nobody gets to dump on it unless I actually make it into a mod someday.

Please share your art and hard work with us someday. I think it's beautiful to be inspired to create by a game and show your passion for it, for as long as you love the piece of media. Regardless of what anyone thinks, even the developers. You are creating your own work for your creative soul and passion inspired by them, but not for them.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 dev doesnt represent the entire klei entertainment

[Duck986]

Just now, ArubaroBeefalo said:

1 dev doesnt represent the entire klei entertainment

but if the one dev proposed to not to do any fixes and most of the dev team agreed with that, that they (the dev) surely do

[ArubaroBeefalo]

Just now, Duck986 said:

but if the one dev proposed to not to do any fixes and most of the dev team agreed with that, that they (the dev) surely do

then the entire team are choosing to not fix that

my comment was about a alleged childish behaviour from one of the devs. 1 dev making fun of someone is very bad but doesnt represent the rest of the team

[sudoku]

4 minutes ago, Atkvin said:

Now, I think this may be going a little overboard, as to my memory Klei has never been very forthcoming, and I still feel like the update was recent enough that the devs are simply still silently observing and taking feedback and considering how to improve a controversial change, and when it is wise to concretely make such an announcement. Lack of proof about the incident aside, I also want to give the devs benefit of the doubt not all of them would conduct themselves this way - and hope they will educate/discipline any newer members on conducting themselves more professionally as well.

Everytime i hit the submit reply button when it comes to feedback, in the back of my head, i was already asking myself are the devs even gonna see this, do they care, and now whether they will mock my ideas as being dumb is also gonna flash through my mind, fortunately im not on their discord so ill never know for sure.

11 minutes ago, Atkvin said:

Please share your art and hard work with us someday. I think it's beautiful to be inspired to create by a game and show your passion for it, for as long as you love the piece of media. Regardless of what anyone thinks, even the developers. You are creating your own work for your creative soul and passion inspired by them, but not for them.

thanks for your words of encouragement, possibly one day. Im my biggest critic and have a hard enough time second guessing my work.