Jonloo1 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 I'm a massive fan of Don't Starve, and I love these games to death. I know Don't Starve and Don't Starve Together are somewhat different beasts now, but there's something that's been worrying me ever since Klei had that deal with Tencent. (Please keep your opinions on that matter out of here, I know it's been discussed to death and it's not what I wanna see discussed in this topic.) Don't Starve is a single player game, with expansions and modding support but generally speaking you can play the game without a care about it ever going away. No matter what, as long as you have the game and whatever content you want on it in some drive, you can play it. That's not the case for Don't Starve Together; It's a much more social game, heavily focused on playing Together and with lots of neat little rewards and bonuses for consistent players that don't actually change the actual video game part at all (with the exception of some unlockable characters, but even then you'd never have to pay an extra cent to get those). I'm happy about how DST works and getting to play dress up with the characters is a neat little bonus to toy around with your friends, but with how the game works and its dependence on Klei's servers I'm worried the Don't Starve Together experience won't be preserved like Don't Starve can be. So, if Klei stops developing Don't Starve Together and hosting the servers... then what? Are we just gonna have to hope the oddly limited offline mode will suffice? The game can be played just fine without the actual servers, it's alright, it's okay. But knowing that stuff like the cosmetics and more importantly some playable characters could just be locked away forever some day bothers me a lot. I know this isn't something that will happen any time soon into the future, but I really hope that Klei considers opening up DST's offline and maybe even open up to fans hosting their own servers for the game in case Klei ever decides not to develop DST anymore. I'm hoping all of Don't Starve - not just the single player game - everything from Together can be preserved and played no matter what some day, even if it means the people who made this great game won't be maintaining it. I want Don't Starve Together to stay alive as an openly moddable, easily playable game with limitless potential just like some of my favorite games, and I'm hoping the game's current way of functioning doesn't stay as a hurdle keeping the game back as mostly a memory once it's all over. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 what makes you think that we wont be able to host worlds? public dedicated servers will always exists even if arent hosted by klei Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
. . . Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 I have similar worries and it's one of the reasons I won't spend any actual money on any of the aesthetics or DLC since the DLC isn't like Don't Starve which you can use it whenever you want. For a start players should be allowed to swap their worlds between offline and online mode then you can't get either locked out of your world if you aren't online OR can never play with other players on your world if offline. I hope to see this in a QoL update within this year and I have some faith it will come since other important QoL features such as 5+ world save slots, pausing, quick drop, dozens of HD textures, multiple players being able to open the same container, and most importantly 64-BIT all were added! I hope within this year we will get QoL features such as... Allow switching between server modes after a world's creation Allow switching between game modes after a world's creation Insanity volume being separated from ambient volume Gesture Wheel-like feature for being able to preform emotes more efficiently than now More world generation settings like archipelago A lot more HD textures, especially for items with horrible quality like 64x64 butter and butterfly wings Hover info for when hovering over a setting in the settings area then new players can know what they do Mod presets/collections (like how it works in tModLoader, if you've played that before) which the player can basically select mods and add them to this preset/collection then you can just enable the preset/collection to enable all those mods at once World seeds which the player can basically have an area when creating a world to input a seed then it always generates that specific world like how Minecraft and Terraria do it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Klei doesn't have permission to stop developing for DST, everyone on the forum has to agree to it. So, no. I can't wait to teach my grandchildren to play. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-met Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Fear not, it's the same as most games with similar business models. 1. support will never end 2. updates will dwindle into nothingness but klei will never say DST has "ended" 3. significant issues or bugs will remain so forever and then you will realize klei spent alot of dev time into trivial, cosmetical features that could otherwise have gone into fixing more impactful matters 4. the playerbase/servers will never die unless there's a significant sequel released Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 There's always a chance for DST 2 on a new map. This map is getting kind of old tbh. Maybe it's time for a change and they can implement more features like playing on islands and stuff. Hopefully a map we haven't seen yet. Maybe once charlie eats the moon (or w/e she's trying to do) she can reshape the world to her liking. Maybe like world changing events in forknight and we can have Ariana Grande give us a concert. Maybe just my uncle Joe can sing to us if they don't have the budget. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Well-met said: significant issues or bugs will remain so forever and then you will realize klei spent alot of dev time into trivial, cosmetical features that could otherwise have gone into fixing more impactful matters slavery is only a thing in 3rd world countries but i dont think there is much devs in those Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
. . . Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, HowlVoid said: There's always a chance for DST 2 on a new map. If they want to make a DST 2 then they should just go ahead and add real DLC packs like how Hamlet and SW were for Don't Starve to DST because making an entire new game would be kinda dumb when this one's already popular and everything's already good, just the world's stale and boring and needs spicing up which DLC packs can do. Though if they do that I hope to God they do the DLC like DS did and don't make it you must be online to use it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, . . . said: If they want to make a DST 2 then they should just go ahead and add real DLC packs like how Hamlet and SW were for Don't Starve to DST because making an entire new game would be kinda dumb when this one's already popular and everything's already good, just the world's stale and boring and needs spicing up which DLC packs can do. Though if they do that I hope to God they do the DLC like DS did and don't make it you must be online to use it The problem is the limitations... If they can figure out a way to add more shards... Maybe exchange the underground shard for another and have that one momentarily stored, idk, I don't program. The story is tied to the world too, idk I wouldn't be apposed to a new game and map. The devs would get more money too. Well I'm sure they plan to at least support this game for another year given it JUST released on the switch. They apparently have big plans for when the refreshes are done. (I think) A new game wouldn't suddenly make DST unpopular either. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octohunter777 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Jonloo1 said: I'm a massive fan of Don't Starve, and I love these games to death. I know Don't Starve and Don't Starve Together are somewhat different beasts now, but there's something that's been worrying me ever since Klei had that deal with Tencent. (Please keep your opinions on that matter out of here, I know it's been discussed to death and it's not what I wanna see discussed in this topic.) Don't Starve is a single player game, with expansions and modding support but generally speaking you can play the game without a care about it ever going away. No matter what, as long as you have the game and whatever content you want on it in some drive, you can play it. That's not the case for Don't Starve Together; It's a much more social game, heavily focused on playing Together and with lots of neat little rewards and bonuses for consistent players that don't actually change the actual video game part at all (with the exception of some unlockable characters, but even then you'd never have to pay an extra cent to get those). I'm happy about how DST works and getting to play dress up with the characters is a neat little bonus to toy around with your friends, but with how the game works and its dependence on Klei's servers I'm worried the Don't Starve Together experience won't be preserved like Don't Starve can be. So, if Klei stops developing Don't Starve Together and hosting the servers... then what? Are we just gonna have to hope the oddly limited offline mode will suffice? The game can be played just fine without the actual servers, it's alright, it's okay. But knowing that stuff like the cosmetics and more importantly some playable characters could just be locked away forever some day bothers me a lot. I know this isn't something that will happen any time soon into the future, but I really hope that Klei considers opening up DST's offline and maybe even open up to fans hosting their own servers for the game in case Klei ever decides not to develop DST anymore. I'm hoping all of Don't Starve - not just the single player game - everything from Together can be preserved and played no matter what some day, even if it means the people who made this great game won't be maintaining it. I want Don't Starve Together to stay alive as an openly moddable, easily playable game with limitless potential just like some of my favorite games, and I'm hoping the game's current way of functioning doesn't stay as a hurdle keeping the game back as mostly a memory once it's all over. I'm not sure but the fact that you can host private servers is probably a good sign. Offline mode allows for couch co-op if you are on console but it does not match online play. And we all want DST to stay alive as long as possible. With any luck it will be around for a while longer. Also the Wurt Webber and Wendy bar joke was very good. Mind if I steal it? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenomeSquirrel Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 30 minutes ago, HowlVoid said: Klei doesn't have permission to stop developing for DST, everyone on the forum has to agree to it. So, no. I can't wait to teach my grandchildren to play. Forgetting Hamlet already? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 55 minutes ago, HowlVoid said: The problem is the limitations... If they can figure out a way to add more shards... Maybe exchange the underground shard for another and have that one momentarily stored, idk, I don't program. The story is tied to the world too, idk I wouldn't be apposed to a new game and map. The devs would get more money too. Well I'm sure they plan to at least support this game for another year given it JUST released on the switch. They apparently have big plans for when the refreshes are done. (I think) A new game wouldn't suddenly make DST unpopular either. I don’t think releasing a DS 2 would be a good idea considering DST hasn’t even released on Nintendo consoles yet (coming in a few months) also it took Klei an entire year to rework Wes, Webber, Wolfgang. Theres still 4 characters yet to be reworked Wickerbottom, WX78, Wilson, & Maxwell. More if we can include SW/Ham DLC Characters: Walani, Wilbur, Woodlegs, Wheeler, Wilba & Wagstaff. Even more then that if they plan to Rework existing DLC characters- Wurt, Wortox, Wormwood, Wanda Warlys rework counted not as a DLC character, but as a Rework.. so there’s a very high possibility we will see other DLC characters ported into DST in the same manor. In fact: just doing that alone would probably extend content updates by another year. With the game not even released on Nintendo platforms yet: I don’t see any reason why Klei wouldn’t want to pump out more content to keep those new comers actively engaged. DST could end up becoming like Minecraft or GTA Online, games that don’t really have sequels.. they just continue to grow with a steady stream of updates. But there’s this “NewHome” that really bothers me, I hate it’s art style I hate everything I’ve seen about it.. and yet there’s a possibility Klei’s plans are to have NewHome replace DST.. I hope I never live to see that day. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eughstein Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 DST 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: I don’t think releasing a DS 2 would be a good idea considering DST hasn’t even released on Nintendo consoles yet (coming in a few months) also it took Klei an entire year to rework Wes, Webber, Wolfgang. Theres still 4 characters yet to be reworked Wickerbottom, WX78, Wilson, & Maxwell. More if we can include SW/Ham DLC Characters: Walani, Wilbur, Woodlegs, Wheeler, Wilba & Wagstaff. Even more then that if they plan to Rework existing DLC characters- Wurt, Wortox, Wormwood, Wanda Warlys rework counted not as a DLC character, but as a Rework.. so there’s a very high possibility we will see other DLC characters ported into DST in the same manor. In fact: just doing that alone would probably extend content updates by another year. With the game not even released on Nintendo platforms yet: I don’t see any reason why Klei wouldn’t want to pump out more content to keep those new comers actively engaged. DST could end up becoming like Minecraft or GTA Online, games that don’t really have sequels.. they just continue to grow with a steady stream of updates. But there’s this “NewHome” that really bothers me, I hate it’s art style I hate everything I’ve seen about it.. and yet there’s a possibility Klei’s plans are to have NewHome replace DST.. I hope I never live to see that day. You replied to me saying that they probably won't develop a new game yet because it just released on switched, to point out the same thing to me? I just said that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, HowlVoid said: You replied to me saying that they probably won't develop a new game yet because it just released on switched, to point out the same thing to me? I just said that. Hasn’t released yet. couple more months, but yeah I guess? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlogy Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 People have mentioned this before, but DST will only die the day the last person ever plays it. Hosting servers will always be a feature. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhh2 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 2 hours ago, HowlVoid said: There's always a chance for DST 2 on a new map. This map is getting kind of old tbh. Maybe it's time for a change and they can implement more features like playing on islands and stuff. Hopefully a map we haven't seen yet. Maybe once charlie eats the moon (or w/e she's trying to do) she can reshape the world to her liking. Maybe like world changing events in forknight and we can have Ariana Grande give us a concert. Maybe just my uncle Joe can sing to us if they don't have the budget. Don't starve twogether twooooo Don't starve 2^2gether a sequel of sequel of sorts Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 aw hel nah dst 2 I'm filing two class action lawsuit to sue the game. This isnt happening in my forum. - Dave Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZoul Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Ragnarök will come Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
miao miao Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Everyone keeps saying that you'd still be able to host servers and stuff if Klei servers went down but that isn't exactly true--you can't host a public server without connecting to the Klei servers in order to get your server to be listed in the server finder for people to join. If Klei servers suddenly crashed, you'd only be able to play with the people on your LAN, and the server would have to be Offline. Offline servers cannot have item and character skins because the game contacts Klei servers to verify that you actually own a skin before it lets you use them--something only available when you are playing online. This is mostly done to prevent people from stealing skins, however, so when Klei decides they're completely done with DST (something that probably won't happen for years after the final DST update) they will also recognize that they're not going to be able to profit off of it as much anymore, and they would make skins available offline...or just give them to everyone for free Even after the final DST update I don't think Klei will shut down all of its DST services because they can still make a ton of money off of the game, so I really wouldn't worry about any of this happening within the next few years. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catchee Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Doesn't legacy minecraft (aka the minecraft on xbox 360 and ps3) multiplayer gamemodes such as spleef glide or hunger games, still function because the entire thing is peer to peer? So, if DST were to lose server support, could we technically still play if klei allowed peer to peer online? Spoiler or maybe i'm saying false information or something idk Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretPizzaMan Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Don't starve Forever, this is mine Klei, unless you guys thought of this 600 years before me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BezKa Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Considering DST is the main money cow for Klei I doubt they would abandon it anytime soon. On another note, I do trust Klei when they say they love what they do and geniuenely care for their projects. When the day comes on which DST ends, the updates will cease, and Klei will turn their attention fully to other games, as long as the company itself exists, we can trust them to keep the game playable- either by hosting all the services required for playing, and fixing compatibility problems that may arise, or making it somehow accessible without the need for their services. And even if Klei gets broken up, they will probably give the rights or whatever is needed to some other company that can keep the game alive. Worst case scenario, there will be a big fan project to bring the game back to life. If Toontown got one, then a legend like DST can certainly count on it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octohunter777 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 15 hours ago, Mike23Ua said: I don’t think releasing a DS 2 would be a good idea considering DST hasn’t even released on Nintendo consoles yet (coming in a few months) also it took Klei an entire year to rework Wes, Webber, Wolfgang. Theres still 4 characters yet to be reworked Wickerbottom, WX78, Wilson, & Maxwell. More if we can include SW/Ham DLC Characters: Walani, Wilbur, Woodlegs, Wheeler, Wilba & Wagstaff. Even more then that if they plan to Rework existing DLC characters- Wurt, Wortox, Wormwood, Wanda Warlys rework counted not as a DLC character, but as a Rework.. so there’s a very high possibility we will see other DLC characters ported into DST in the same manor. In fact: just doing that alone would probably extend content updates by another year. With the game not even released on Nintendo platforms yet: I don’t see any reason why Klei wouldn’t want to pump out more content to keep those new comers actively engaged. DST could end up becoming like Minecraft or GTA Online, games that don’t really have sequels.. they just continue to grow with a steady stream of updates. But there’s this “NewHome” that really bothers me, I hate it’s art style I hate everything I’ve seen about it.. and yet there’s a possibility Klei’s plans are to have NewHome replace DST.. I hope I never live to see that day. Yeah I don't like the look of Newhome. With any luck it will stay as a non-canon spinoff and won't overtake regular Don't Starve. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groopwo Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 17 hours ago, Jonloo1 said: I'm a massive fan of Don't Starve, and I love these games to death. I know Don't Starve and Don't Starve Together are somewhat different beasts now, but there's something that's been worrying me ever since Klei had that deal with Tencent. (Please keep your opinions on that matter out of here, I know it's been discussed to death and it's not what I wanna see discussed in this topic.) Don't Starve is a single player game, with expansions and modding support but generally speaking you can play the game without a care about it ever going away. No matter what, as long as you have the game and whatever content you want on it in some drive, you can play it. That's not the case for Don't Starve Together; It's a much more social game, heavily focused on playing Together and with lots of neat little rewards and bonuses for consistent players that don't actually change the actual video game part at all (with the exception of some unlockable characters, but even then you'd never have to pay an extra cent to get those). I'm happy about how DST works and getting to play dress up with the characters is a neat little bonus to toy around with your friends, but with how the game works and its dependence on Klei's servers I'm worried the Don't Starve Together experience won't be preserved like Don't Starve can be. So, if Klei stops developing Don't Starve Together and hosting the servers... then what? Are we just gonna have to hope the oddly limited offline mode will suffice? The game can be played just fine without the actual servers, it's alright, it's okay. But knowing that stuff like the cosmetics and more importantly some playable characters could just be locked away forever some day bothers me a lot. I know this isn't something that will happen any time soon into the future, but I really hope that Klei considers opening up DST's offline and maybe even open up to fans hosting their own servers for the game in case Klei ever decides not to develop DST anymore. I'm hoping all of Don't Starve - not just the single player game - everything from Together can be preserved and played no matter what some day, even if it means the people who made this great game won't be maintaining it. I want Don't Starve Together to stay alive as an openly moddable, easily playable game with limitless potential just like some of my favorite games, and I'm hoping the game's current way of functioning doesn't stay as a hurdle keeping the game back as mostly a memory once it's all over. I'm pretty sure Klei said that they want to keep the company alive as long as possible, and since DS/T is one of the biggest klei games ( If not the biggest ), then I'm pretty sure we have a lot of time before we have to worry about it. Edit: Oops accidentally quoted 2 times lolol Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136545-whats-going-to-happen-to-dst-after-its-finished/#findComment-1528831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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