re-add the forge (Not the gorge)

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

Forge had some really cool looking mobs (from what I could find out about it online) so why not just incorporate those into the base game somewhere and just call it a day?

why no both? they can add the events as game presets and use the mobs from these events with reskins to make new mobs (that actually fit the constant theme) like how the boarilla from the gorge uses the presets from the spidermonkeys

klei could add tons of content by using old reskinned stuff and we will be happy like im so happy when i see mants even when they are simply agressive pigs with a new sprite

idk why they arent lazy xD

[TemporarySolutn]

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[Ohan]

17 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

klei could add tons of content by using old reskinned stuff and we will be happy like im so happy when i see mants even when they are simply agressive pigs with a new sprite

idk why they arent lazy xD

Seriouslyy!!! Why havent the gorge crabs and salt ponds been added to the rocky biome yet? It would be such a great fit 

And the tree tappers! An alternative to honey from trees would be so cool

And maybe even a way to craft all the beautiful gorge statues/fences etc. Like a special crafting station that spawns with mumsy and billy somewhere. Or mumsy gives the blueprints when u give her crockpot dishes!! 

Seems like such a waste to not re-use the assets. Gorge has some of the absolute best dst art imo. And unlike forge, the gorge art would fit perfectly in the normal dst world i think.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

7 minutes ago, Ohan said:

Seriouslyy!!! Why havent the gorge crabs and salt ponds been added to the rocky biome yet? It would be such a great fit 

And the tree tappers! An alternative to honey from trees would be so cool

And maybe even a way to craft all the beautiful gorge statues/fences etc. Like a special crafting station that spawns with mumsy and billy somewhere. Or mumsy gives the blueprints when u give her crockpot dishes!! 

Seems like such a waste to not re-use the assets. Gorge has some of the absolute best dst art imo. And unlike forge, the gorge art would fit perfectly in the normal dst world i think.

i think, and i will say this even when i love all the sea content, that klei went into a complicate direction when they could expand the land and caves (or remove some biomes to add new ones...) filled with a lot of stuff from other dlcs and modes but changing or mixing AIs, combat patters, colours, etc so in less time they would be able to add tons of content

the good thing is that they have open a big area to expand the game with all the sea mass and adding things to land can be always added in a future

maybe there will be a time that they will want to be more relaxed (or split the team to release other games) so they can use these things to keep releasing content but not working as much as they are doing

the gorge crafting tab with gorge NPCs would be lovely and very very welcome

[Scrimbles]

I'm just over here wondering whats stopping Klei from working with the reforged and regorged teams to bring players client side server hosting.

I wonder what Klei's policy is when it comes to fan mods in general, the closest thing I can think of is Zarklord, who was hired into Klei and has basically brought a lot of his QoL mods into the game. Feels like they could do the same thing for other modders, but maybe they are worried about 'stealing'?

[ArubaroBeefalo]

8 minutes ago, Scrimbles said:

I'm just over here wondering whats stopping Klei from working with the reforged and regorged teams to bring players client side server hosting.

I wonder what Klei's policy is when it comes to fan mods in general, the closest thing I can think of is Zarklord, who was hired into Klei and has basically brought a lot of his QoL mods into the game. Feels like they could do the same thing for other modders, but maybe they are worried about 'stealing'?

i will talk with 0 idea and without representing anybody but i guess that some modders do mods because the thing they are adding isnt in the game so for them, even when they might have fun with it, might be a chore to update and clean the bugs. Another scenario is being happy for seeing a company apreciating you work that much to include it into the game

all the stealing thing can be solved by "buying" the mod which i guess a lot of modders will be happy getting money from their work and forgeting about updating it. 2birds one stone for each part

 

or maybe klei wanna do things for their own so they cant be judge of "not having ideas" or whatever stupid thing people will find to insult

[Hornete]

47 minutes ago, Scrimbles said:

I'm just over here wondering whats stopping Klei from working with the reforged and regorged teams to bring players client side server hosting.

Why would they need to work with those teams?

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, Hornete said:

Why would they need to work with those teams?

because they already did a lot of progress adding them

by working can mean doing just a "call" asking "what is left? which problem or bugs needs to be addresed?" etc

[minespatch]

Perhaps with a bit of negotiation, balancing, and teamwork, the modding team and devs can make a great outcome for the other players out of the loop?

[Hornete]

47 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

because they already did a lot of progress adding them

But Klei already did all of that?

The reason the mods are needed is to fill in all the server code required to run the events. Klei obviously did all of that already, the mods are simply trying to imitate the actual events the best they can from what we've gathered playing the real thing. Why would Klei partner with the modders when they did the code themselves already?

[ArubaroBeefalo]

10 minutes ago, Hornete said:

But Klei already did all of that?

The reason the mods are needed is to fill in all the server code required to run the mods. Klei obviously did all of that already, the mods are simply trying to imitate the actual events the best they can from what we've gathered playing the real thing. Why would Klei partner with the modders when they did the code themselves already?

oh, though that something else was necesary

then why they dont add it? isnt like they are keeping it for a close future...

[Hornete]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

oh, though that something else was necesary

then why they dont add it? isnt like they are keeping it for a close future...

My personal theory has been that I think Klei wants to keep Forge and Gorge as something "special". If they were available at all times to players to host they might lose that unique aspect the events have of being entire new worlds with interesting mechanics and environments. But that's just my theory :p

[Mike23Ua]

Instead of bringing back events of any type I would instead prefer them to fill that vastly empty ocean with new islands.

now to clarify: The starting area of the game you spawn from and all the content and biomes included within that area is considered as an “Island” any mass of land surrounded by a body of water is technically an island.. so yes the entire United States of America is an Island.

With that said: when Warly was added to the game Klei’s description for how he got there states that his ship was dashed ashore, implying that we can simply “sail” into Shipwrecked Biomes.

The Forge (to the best of my knowledge) takes place inside a Volcano underground) so Klei could make some Volcanic biome out in the oceans somewhere that have those mobs on it.

Imagine if Scalemail armor actually had a use: and players would need to kill Dragonfly on the main land to sail to the hotter climate of the Forge inspired biomes.

Theres a ton of mobs, biomes, content and game mechanics between Shipwrecked/Hamlet/Gorge/Forge that could really extend the core game without Klei needing to run and upkeep the costs for the event servers.

Its all a matter of where & how they incorporate it into the game.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

3 minutes ago, Hornete said:

My personal theory has been that I think Klei wants to keep Forge and Gorge as something "special". If they were available at all times to players to host they might lose that unique aspect the events have of being entire new worlds with interesting mechanics and environments. But that's just my theory

that is mine too but if we think about it, and if is true that they arent looking to bring them back in a close future, would have sense to atract more players since isnt the same saying "hey try this survival game" than "try this survival game that also has 2 extra game modes" and people might even buy more skins because usually the characters you play on these modes are different (i can enjoy my wx skins :3)

 

[Scrimbles]

1 hour ago, Hornete said:

Why would they need to work with those teams?

I assume work was done on their part to adapt the matchmaking system into client hosted servers?

I'm assuming having to put in work to adapt Forge/Gorge to a different server style is part of why Klei never ported them over, which is all work that's already been done by their community.

[Hornete]

7 minutes ago, Scrimbles said:

I assume work was done on their part to adapt the matchmaking system into client hosted servers?

There's no matchmaking system in either of the mods.

[Scrimbles]

6 minutes ago, Hornete said:

There's no matchmaking system in either of the mods.

I mean in the original events. Unless I'm going crazy.

[Hornete]

7 minutes ago, Scrimbles said:

I mean in the original events. Unless I'm going crazy.

Yea there was a "Quick Join" feature in the original events. I dont remember how it worked, if it paired you with others around your level or not, I would assume it did, but the event was so long ago.

Related to servers, there is a bug where you can't join back in an on going game of Forge/Gorge until its over in a client hosted server if you left halfway through. That is something Klei would need to fix on their end I believe.

[Waynel]

Good ol times when grand forge boarrior was the last enemy.

[maradyne]

Much as I love Forge and would like it to come back, I think it just not being a priority still applies.

Either they add it as a server setting/part of worldgen/ect, the community at large plays with it more, and it loses the spark of something rare and interesting, taking away some excitement from the fairly large appeal of a potential future Forge update or run with more care put into it...
Or they put the care and time into bringing it back, polishing, and making a good update out of that, while keeping up with it enough to keep things fresh and limiting the community infighting that starts growing the moment the competitive nature of the mode hits a wider audience, which all takes time away from anything else they want to do with the game.

...that said, maybe they should make doing something more sustainable with it a priority over other plans.
Forge was pretty darn popular.

[dubious little]

On 12/23/2021 at 1:59 PM, Potatoism said:

The forge was a cool idea, and i think it could be more manageable, but im dumb and probaly wrong.

 

The forge was a pretty cool place, it even had its own lore that went further than the event, it went to Dont Starve Together, with the "nox" being mentioned a few times (like a ox, but not) i bet it was brought to extinction hahahahah, but anyways the Forge was challenging (from what ive heard) but the once a time event thing isnt the best idea, maybe a little longer.

 

 

The gorge is cooking simulator which is just the basic game in a spooky place and a little harder (maybe), i heard it was shut down because Klei couldnt support it (them)

Honestly always thought it would be cool if they repurposed the content and just made it that upon defeating ancient fuelweaver that small portal unleashes forge and gorge content into the world for extra bosses, loot, mobs, etc (also a way to spice up the seas since assumingly these would just be bigger than average islands and not apart of the mainland). Maybe even unlock an extra cooking and combat ability per character too. 

[Mike23Ua]

On 12/28/2021 at 9:34 PM, maradyne said:

Much as I love Forge and would like it to come back, I think it just not being a priority still applies.

Either they add it as a server setting/part of worldgen/ect, the community at large plays with it more, and it loses the spark of something rare and interesting, taking away some excitement from the fairly large appeal of a potential future Forge update or run with more care put into it...
Or they put the care and time into bringing it back, polishing, and making a good update out of that, while keeping up with it enough to keep things fresh and limiting the community infighting that starts growing the moment the competitive nature of the mode hits a wider audience, which all takes time away from anything else they want to do with the game.

...that said, maybe they should make doing something more sustainable with it a priority over other plans.
Forge was pretty darn popular.

As I stated in my other thread: I don’t care how popular forge/gorge were.. they aren’t the type of game I bought or wanted to play, it would be like me buying Dont Starve expecting to play and enjoy Dont Starve for being Dont Starve but then they release a spin-off Dont Starve MOBA as a limited time Game mode that DS MOBA becomes “Popular” and then suddenly the dev team shifts focus away from the game I originally bought and enjoyed to quite literally make a whole other Genre of game.

I never got to play Gorge or Forge but from everything I’ve seen/read about them- They are nothing like DS/Shipwrecked/Hamlet or DST.,

JoeW even stated that they were like their own completely separate games.

I bought DS/Shipwrecked/Hamlet & DST to play “Don’t Starve” not “Don’t Starve the MOBA”

That doesn’t mean I WOULDN’T play a DS MOBA if one were ever made.. but I would be buying that MOBA with the intent to PLAY an MOBA knowing that the game I bought was designed to provide me with an MOBA experience.

It would be like instead of Rockstar or Ubisoft releasing Undead Nightmare or Rainbow Extraction as their own separate games: They decided to just turn Red Dead Online and the Original Rainbow Siege into Extraction.

Gorge/Forge are their own completely separate games.. or so I’m told-

Let’s leave them at that.

With that said- If Klei wants to release a paid dlc expansion for Forge/Gorge or even release those modes as their own completely separate game from DST- I would probably buy and play them, but the difference would be that I’ll get the kinda of experience out of the product I paid for that I was expecting to get.

Personally I feel like they should just use all the best mobs/mechanics from those separate spin-off games to improve & expand DST, Just… don’t lose track of what people expect out of DST..

Dont start making a bunch of Carnival Mini-Games when people like myself want more biomes, mobs, weather seasons, etc..

My one and only plea with Klei is that they stick to their roots and don’t make a spin-off game mode: their main production of content.

They have a cast of 20+ wacky characters in this sandbox world where we can explore biomes, fight mobs, deal with hazardous traps, etc.. let’s stick to that.

[maradyne]

59 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Personally I feel like they should just use all the best mobs/mechanics from those separate spin-off games to improve & expand DST, Just… don’t lose track of what people expect out of DST..

That was...basically my point, yea.

[Atkvin]

Not that it matters, but another vote for the Gorge here. Less players needed meant I could just play with my 3 friends who were into the game, it was more of a time management and riddle figuring out all the little secrets and dishes to appease the Gnaw, and the vibe just fit Don't Starve perfectly to me. Was nice being able to run it on my potato too lol

Again though.. Reforged and Regorgetitated proved that existing servers can run the events pretty dang well, I remember playing the mod through even the fast-paced Forge with friends without much any server or lag issues - the problem was just waiting for enough people to trickle in for a 6 person team as a mod.

The server thing does not make much sense to me (as someone utterly ignorant to technical backend infrastructure), nor does the sudden impulse Klei comes to that it must keep updating it and keeping it fresh (other than the very simple task of introducing any new characters and new relevant perks into the events) - these events were great as self-contained minigames that stood on their own, especially the Gorge.

edit: Regardless of events becoming a mainstay though, I agree it'd be cool and wise to apply its assets and lore unto the actual basegame. Just for a wild example maybe Mumsy and Billy show up in Spring, and after helping demermify them Mumsy helps you snackrifice food on touchstone altars to cease the rain. As of now the events feel completely disjointed from the game's lore despite how much it introduces - we are left to assume the characters just got spit back into the constant with zero fanfare since the RoT arc started.

[Vultureneck]

My little player never liked playing don't starve, but he was always down to play the gorge and the forge with me. We spammed that crap when it was around; they're probably the only reason I got him to play with me in the real game later. Also I loved almost everything about the gorge in particular.