Dollmaker Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Several quotes imply him and Maxwell were sorta like friends or something, i just wonder what thats about, was the AG intelligent at some point? or it was more of a master and pet relationship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Oh you know, just old drinking pals, Guardian and Max. Maxwell was able to recover from his Nightmarefuel drinking... Guardian on the other hand... Well, let's just say the Fuel changed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I've seen people theorize it used to be the same race or a similar race to the rhinocebros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 you do know maxwell never realy explains the things right? he just says things like that to look smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 i hope klei make a short for his refresh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollmaker Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: i hope klei make a short for his refresh Two possibilities, about how he found the Codex Umbra, or how he became the Shadow King and started creating things in the Constant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dollmaker said: Two possibilities, about how he found the Codex Umbra, or how he became the Shadow King and started creating things in the Constant oh, i was talking about AG refresh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capybara007 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I wouldnt be so positive to expect "AG refresh" They just said "we are aware that the fight is in a bad state" and thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr. brj Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Dollmaker said: about how he found the Codex Umbra I'm trying not to get my hopes high, but the Wolfgang short might answer that. The circus my boi was (presumably) working for was travelling with the same train Maxwell was travelling just before he found Codex Umbra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollmaker Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 30 minutes ago, mr. brj said: I'm trying not to get my hopes high, but the Wolfgang short might answer that. The circus my boi was (presumably) working for was travelling with the same train Maxwell was travelling just before he found Codex Umbra. Would be weird to have Wolfgang short to feature Maxwell in any mayor way, besides it seems the two never met until DST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I'm guessing Maxwell didn't just arrive at The Constant and take The throne. He and Charlie roamed the wilderness and exploring ruins like the survivors. So Maxwell's quote about the muarl in the atrium is that Charles is trying to bring him back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikapikap Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Cassielu said: I'm guessing Maxwell didn't just arrive at The Constant and take The throne. He and Charlie roamed the wilderness and exploring ruins like the survivors. So Maxwell's quote about the muarl in the atrium is that Charles is trying to bring him back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikenobi Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 6 hours ago, Cassielu said: I'm guessing Maxwell didn't just arrive at The Constant and take The throne. He and Charlie roamed the wilderness and exploring ruins like the survivors. But when you see Maxwell at the end of adventure mode, he says, "There wasn't much here when I showed up. Just dust. And the Void. And Them." Makes me suspect that when Maxwell first arrived, there was no wilderness, and then it came into being after he was put on the throne, whether he created it himself, or They used him to create it, or whatever else might have happened. And any knowledge that he had of the wilderness and the ruins and everything was either magically bestowed upon him, or he learned it while projecting himself around the world, like how he shows up to talk to the player at the beginning of each level of adventure mode. But, heck, he's Maxwell, he lies all the time, and he purposely makes vague, mysterious statements to confuse and/or intrigue people, maybe none of what he says can be believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eughstein Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Could he potentially be another ancient bug? Potentially someone important, but not important enough to mention him in lore signs.His house (counting the walls in his arena) was bigger then ones, also it was protected with labyrinth (also it could be a prison), unlike other places in ruins labyrinth is the only place where shadow fuel don't affect everything that much.Could he be the one who survived the shadow fuel?He transformed into a monster, but survived, maybe the same would happen to other from ancient civilization if not death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W0l0l0 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I don't think even Klei knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuQuasar Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 I think the most likely theory is that the Ancient Guardian was already there when Maxwell and Charlie arrived, some type of beast the ancients tamed in their day and the sole survivor of their civilization. Max likely encountered him in the ruins before taking the throne, and modelled the clockwork rooks on him afterwards. I believe we shouldn't read too much into Maxwell claiming there was nothing but dust when he arrived. Assuming the ancient civilization pre-dates him, at the very least there were berry bushes, birds, carrots and evergreens. Merms as well are confirmed to pre-date humans, which implies the swamp already existed. But Max *is* responsible for a lot of the more unusual creations: I think the hybrids and living puns and sapient animals were all his doing until Charlie took over. The ancient guardian might be the only still-living creature older than Max in the constant, so calling him "old friend" might be out of respect for how long he's known the creature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maradyne Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 On 11/16/2021 at 11:12 PM, kiwikenobi said: "There wasn't much here when I showed up. Just dust. And the Void. And Them." With the lore we've gotten since then, I assume Max's quote about there being nothing when he got there but dust and void to be in reference to the Throne Room itself. There were some allusions in the Metheus puzzle to a throne that one of the Ancients sat on with a shadowy crown emblem over the head, after They broke through and ruined the civilization. The same Ancient was the one who used the Staff, 'controlling' the Fuel (or so they seemed to think). Seems sensible that the Throne Room is the ruined, shadow enveloped throne room of that Ancient; his abuse of the Fuel likely turned his seat of power into a beacon for Them to gather. Eons pass by, spent under the influence of the shadows, with no puppet to string about. Dust and void being all that remains sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willell Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Questions and speculations 1，The origin of those clockwork creatures ：Maybe it's an imitation of the guardian made by the ancients 2，Why are the drops of the guardian treasure chests and other items ：Just like the dragonfly (dragon) collects gems, killing it will not only drop his body, but also its collections.Treasure chests and other items can be seen as hidden by the guardian According to the lines of the Shadow Weaver, it can be inferred that the Guardian is in the maze. There are a lot of treasure chests in the maze because they don’t want to be easily found(or found) by latecomers 3，There will be a shadow animation when the guardian is killed ：Like statues and other objects, this is a sign of being corroded by shadows 4，Although it is far-fetched, there is no other creature that can correspond to it. The one in the middle of the 3 eyes may be the rhino horn That is, the ancients used the ability of shadows to combine other creatures to form a new creature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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