Sea fishing is too Weak, Starve to death when solely rely on a boat

[shiffy]

If u want to find meat on land , try finding Koalefants, i'd be 2-3 Koalefants per day, That'd be 10 meat or even more, not to mention killing random mobs like catcoons also give u some meat , When u fishing freshwater fish, 10 fish per day is also not a problem.

This all make Sea fishing seemed sort of dwarf.

I know there's waterlogged biome, A lot of Leafy meat there,

But today I generated a map ,The Waterlogged biome is entirely on the other side of the continent.

The Boat is Slow, making it harder to travel the entire perimeter of the land. There's nothing to harvest, nothing to pick, because the sea biomes are all sparse.

It's nearly impossible to solely rely on sea fishing, but it's possible to only live on land and never head out to sea

Sea fish's food value is low, and harder to catch.not like u can sea fishing for a day, stack up some fish,  do something else for a few days, then sea fishing again.

Is there anyway to make this more of an enjoyable experience, when u decided to have a little base on a boat?

Or like ,is there any mass-produce sea fish tricks?

[Juny Pear]

If you take your boat and steer it as close as possible to a fish you can catch ocean fish as soon as they get hooked on your fishing rod. With that, as well as the basic lures you can craft or trade with the crabby hermit, you can pretty easily amass a ton of fish very quickly.

If you use tin fishin' bins you can store fish literally forever and just kill them for food whenever you need to, only drawback being you can only store 12 individual fish per bin. Fish found in deeper waters are usually the ones providing larger fish meat, so those are something to look out for.

A salt box is also a good thing to have because with it you can have some of the fish meat stored more compactly without it going stale too fast. 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

they arent mean to be a main food source

klei should add more trade mechanics arround fishes like adding more to pearl, refreshing merm king and/or adding these guys

Spoiler

this fan art (i dont know they author..) comes from klei mob concepts. Cats love fish and are bastards so they could fit into some kind of pirate specie

 

[Astraia]

Fish from the oceans weren't supposed to be used as main food sources...........................................

But I feel Klei needs to add more mechanics towards fishing, other than wanting food

[QuartzBeam]

What @Nettalie said.

Fishing is a bit complicated at first, which isn't help by the fact that the game tells you literally nothing about it (unlike with farming), but if you know what you are doing, you can easily get like a stack of big Fish Meat per day.

 

[Ohan]

we need ocean farm plots/boat attachments to farm 'sea cucumbers' etc 

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with regards to the OP, maybe try incorporating cookie cutters into ur food supply? they're super easy to kill, plentiful and give 1 guaranteed monster meat each. if u have a bird cage on ur boat too that opens up many possibilities.

other than that the waterlogged biome is probably indeed a very important place to frequently visit. Sweetish fish are a guaranteed spawn there and give big meat iirc 

[Primalflower]

Barnacles are amazing for food in a pinch. You can use the Razor on the flowers on the sea while they're sleeping and all droopy to get 3 barnacles per flower, this is good even ignoring barnacle linguine (75 hunger for 2 barnacles total of 2 veggie value in the crock pot)

[Frosty_Mentos]

kelp/fish are kinda the good way to farm up food. Meatballs and all. Barnacles are waaaay more powerful in terms of food source than fish, fish are more of an addition.

Overall fishing mechanics are pretty damn weak if you wanna catch enough fish, trading the fish away to Pearl ISN'T EVEN REMOTELY WORTH IT considering that she only gives more bundles than anything. Shells are nice, for decor and all, but the effort to get 'large' fish is just stupidly hard. There's just not ENOUGH large fish in the world and I wish I could just trade in fish meats to her instead. Or at least earn bottles for the fish I give.

Pearl's trading mechanics are pretty bare, the only way that's profitable is via hanging out during Summer at her place and keep giving kelps. 

Fish in the ocean are a pretty wear food source in general, I feel like they should buff amount of 'heavy fish' on certain fishes at least.

Besides, you can just find ruins ponds all over the caves and get enough eels to make surf'n'turfs and enough bones by just fishing there via normal fishing rods.

[Hornete]

Fishing is amazing, seriously. I genuinely think it's one of the most fantastic food sources in this game. I can generally catch a good stack of fish meat in a day or so. Have you seen the recipes you can make with fish? Surf n Turf can be made with two monster meat and two fish meat, and it's a whopping 60 health and 33 sanity!

Do not doubt this food source, I think it's extremely powerful and versatile, considering as long as you have a fishing rod on you with a general bait(stupefying lure, spork) then you can catch fish on any shore.

I also really like doing fish meat, barnacles and twigs for stuffed fish heads, essentially the ocean version of bacon and eggs netting you 75 hunger and 20 health.

You also essentially get access to a version of bundling wrap for fishes right off the bat, that being the tin fishing bins which regenerate a fishes spoilage over time.

I dunno what people are saying about fishing not supposed to be a main food source, I've solely survived on fishing and it works extremely well due to their long-term storage capabilities, amazing crockpot foods, and fast catching of them once you've mastered fishing.

[zacqiang]

I've once tried sailing for 7-8 days with a couple of people in a pub (a Wurt main and a Walter main) in hopes of blindly locating the lunar islands based on pure instinct, and with only minimal preparation. Note that we are a 3-man team with 0 food on the boat, just a couple of sea fishing rods and twigs as floats. We used seeds dropped by the puffins as bait, but having a Stupefying Lure by any means is great imho.

There's ever only one hard part of getting food on the seas: skill.

We've managed to survive the journey with a couple of drying racks, an ice box, and a crock pot (only in regards to food - we have adequate preparations for sailing). Imo the ice box was unnecessary as the food would be gone in a couple of days anyway.

Since Wurt is vegan, the only food choice for that guy would be dried kelp (which can technically be amassed in the dozens if players traverse over the waters fast enough). Having drying racks on the boat helped tremendously for Wurt since kelp only needs 0.25 days to dry, so we continually dried kelp when we weren't drying something else to help with Wurt's hunger issue.

Both Walter and I fish for food, particularly when we see deep bass or mudfish, since those are easier to get than other types of fish, and we make sure to fish up the whole shoal within 4 minutes so that we can proceed to the lunar islands as fast as possible. Fish meat can be dried into jerky in just one day anyway, so there's no issue getting meat for Meatballs / Meaty Stew. Fishsticks is also an acceptable recipe when we needed to get rid of spoiled kelp. Worst recipe would be just to jumble them fish meats together to make Surf N Turf and take time to lose some health before eating it to maximize the dish's potency (eg. lose 60 health points worth of hunger (aka ~1 minute) before gaining back 60 health & 37.5 hunger with Surf N Turf). One shoal of fish nets around 6 big fish meat, so every shoal basically gives us at least 2 days worth of hunger (Meaty Stew) and at most 3 (Meatballs) each. If I sailed alone, I'll definitely double my hunger gains using the same method.

All in all, we managed to find the lunar islands, and brought back souvenirs to base before winter hits. We already have quite a number of stone fruits by then so we didn't suffer from hunger issues on the way back.

My TL:DR? With adequate skill, it is possible to survive just with food resources available on the seas. Having experience and knowledge in ocean content also helps a lot in terms crock pot dishes and drying meat / kelp / barnacle harvesting.

[Frosty_Mentos]

1 minute ago, Hornete said:

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As I mentioned - eels do a better and quicker job. It may not be as fun but it is definitely a more powerful source with 5-7 ponds nearby to fish from.

Thus bundling wrap also debunks the spoilage argument, since that can be avoided entirely by storing 20 fish per slot OR 40 EELS per slot. Crazy, right?

I don't doubt fishing as a food source, I doubt it's uses overall when something else replaces the whole thing.

[zacqiang]

5 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

As I mentioned - eels do a better and quicker job. It may not be as fun but it is definitely a more powerful source with 5-7 ponds nearby to fish from.

Thus bundling wrap also debunks the spoilage argument, since that can be avoided entirely by storing 20 fish per slot OR 40 EELS per slot. Crazy, right?

I don't doubt fishing as a food source, I doubt it's uses overall when something else replaces the whole thing.

Well, OP's opinion is more towards the possibility of surviving on the seas based on resources on the seas alone than supplementing food from the land / caves back on to the seas, so getting an alternative to replace this wouldn't be OP's first pick anyway.

[Hornete]

9 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

As I mentioned - eels do a better and quicker job. It may not be as fun but it is definitely a more powerful source with 5-7 ponds nearby to fish from.

Thus bundling wrap also debunks the spoilage argument, since that can be avoided entirely by storing 20 fish per slot OR 40 EELS per slot. Crazy, right?

I don't doubt fishing as a food source, I doubt it's uses overall when something else replaces the whole thing.

Eels reside in specific environments in the caves, while ocean fish are quite literally all around the surface. Eel's are a bit more limited too imo due to their lower meat value. Ponds in general I find to be a bit unreliable because of their long respawn time for each fish(1/3rd of a day) while the surface will spawn entire schools of fish every segment of the clock or so(Provided the area isn't maxed out in fish of course, but you can simply sail to get more schools spawning again)

Also, bundling wrap requires a bloody raid boss to kill.

[Frosty_Mentos]

4 minutes ago, zacqiang said:

Well, OP's opinion is more towards the possibility of surviving on the seas based on resources on the seas alone than supplementing food from the land / caves back on to the seas, so getting an alternative to replace this wouldn't be OP's first pick anyway.

Yea ik I did agree on post before on that there's other sources in ocean along with fishing good enough but I'm just half fewer ranting atm ^^;

[Cheggf]

If you compare fishing to something like a pig farm where you make them war then collect a lot of large meat for very little effort it looks worse, but it's not a bad food source by any means and due to fish being able to be stored infinitely in bins is one of the better food sources overall (although bundling wrap lets all food be stored forever).

Try putting a crock pot on your boat and combining the fish you find with kelp from kelp, monster meat from cookie cutters, leafy meat from grass gators, and barnacles from sea weeds. You can make a variety of useful recipes, the easiest of which being meatballs. Unless you're Warly surviving indefinitely on a boat is rather easy.

[Sir Noel]

Interesting how this thread has mainly two stances, either ocean fishing is a waste of time or it is the best food source in the game. I think it's just alright, you definitely need to be involved to get the most out of it (and you can get lots of meat if you know what your doing), but it by no means is the best if you want to play 'efficiently' or whatever... but also I find fishing fun so to heck with that!

[Juny Pear]

1 minute ago, Walk the Plank said:

Interesting how this thread has mainly two stances, either ocean fishing is a waste of time or it is the best food source in the game.

I didn't say that.

Honestly when fishing was first introduced I thought it was pretty underwhelming myself. With future updates as well as more knowledge however it's pretty good.
Obviously not the best or most fun source of food, at least in my eyes, but damn if it's not one of the better ones at the very least. Sure beats gathering meat any day for me.

[Sir Noel]

4 minutes ago, Nettalie said:

I didn't say that.

Honestly when fishing was first introduced I thought it was pretty underwhelming myself. With future updates as well as more knowledge however it's pretty good.
Obviously not the best or most fun source of food, at least in my eyes, but damn if it's not one of the better ones at the very least. Sure beats gathering meat any day for me.

Wasn't referring to anyone specifically. Just curious why people are making a case for if ocean fishing is "better" than other food sources when it's meant to be a nice alternative so you can have options, which is a really smart way to add variety to the game imo.

[Juny Pear]

5 minutes ago, Walk the Plank said:

Wasn't referring to anyone specifically. Just curious why people are making a case for if ocean fishing is "better" than other food sources when it's meant to be a nice alternative so you can have options, which is a really smart way to add variety to the game imo.

I think its less people trying to argue it's "better" than other food sources and more that its just a really good source on its own while being generally overlooked by quite a few people.

[Sir Noel]

4 minutes ago, Nettalie said:

I think its less people trying to argue it's "better" than other food sources and more that its just a really good source on its own while being generally overlooked by quite a few people.

Ah, in that case then fair enough to them. Mostly just tend to see people going on the extreme about food sources in this game. Can get quite silly xD

[Juny Pear]

1 minute ago, Walk the Plank said:

Ah, in that case then fair enough to them. Mostly just tend to see people going on the extreme about food sources in this game. Can get quite silly xD

"Meatballs are the best food source"

[JeezSorry]

just do pro gamer and sit in wilds and fish eels

[Falkenpelz]

Isn't the point of this game still to feel slightly unfair and make you prepare well for difficult situations? If you're going on a boat trip, you need to plan well ahead in terms of food, I think, that's totally fine.

[Pig Princess]

1 hour ago, Cheggf said:

Unless you're Warly surviving indefinitely on a boat is rather easy

I sailed as Warly for the whole seasons and was opening the bundle only for lightbulbs, but that was prior Waterlogged. Even without birdcage Warly still can dry fish for meaty stew and cook linguini/fish heads/barnacle pita, but birdcage opens even more possibilities: all one really needs is 3 bacon and eggs per 2 days (1 monster meat, 2 eggs, 1 barnacle/any fish meat/leafy meat), also 4 meatballs strategy remains valid and very doable after killing some cookie cutters.

It's just about fishing skill, crock pot recipes knowledge and boat structures planning for any character. I find surviving on boat indefinitely or close to indefinitely rather enjoyable activity, and now with source of silk, fireflies, better oars all I really wish in terms of resources is for a way to keep sewing clothes from time to time (maybe sunken chest could drop sewing kit, considering it's tendency to drop refined items rather than raw materials).

Edit: I forgot leafy meat and beefy greens and leafy meatloaf made with 2 twigs.

[shiffy]

Thanks guys for replying, I haven't tried lures. maybe that's my main problem. today I'll try using lures and floats, Hopefully I can accomplish my goal to survive on the sea for an entire year in the game.mainly on a boat, I'll have to go to the land every now and then.

I wish there can be more place for me to put the structures, sometimes there is space, but the structure can't be put there, It's weird with the collision detection.

Ok, can I put eels in the tin fishing bin too?