A Problem with the Animated Shorts.

[sokoteur]

1 minute ago, Squirrel12 said:

Hi, I just want to say that I haven't played him since the update, so I have no idea if he's been changed.

Last I played him, when he transforms he will slow down and you can't re-feed him to make him go fast. He becomes slower than the player. During my play-throughs with him I just gave up trying to ride him cause it wasn't worth it. 

By late game, you will have a Beefalo. So he becomes redundant in terms of travel (except for in caves, he's VERY useful in caves).

I would argue that the chester aspect of it, becomes redundant in late game when you learn to manage your inventory space. 

So your entire argument on Woby's usefulness is outdated. The speed changes alone would probably change your mind:

100% - 70% Hunger = 10 Speed

70% - 33% Hunger = 9 Speed

33% - 0% Hunger = 8 Speed

Also in terms of inventory, redundant isn't useless, (unless you're in the rare group that promotes not wearing backpacks at all, but I doubt it)

[Squirrel12]

2 minutes ago, sokoteur said:

So your entire argument on Woby's usefulness is outdated. The speed changes alone would probably change your mind:

100% - 70% Hunger = 10 Speed

70% - 33% Hunger = 9 Speed

33% - 0% Hunger = 8 Speed

Also in terms of inventory, redundant isn't useless, (unless you're in the rare group that promotes not wearing backpacks at all, but I doubt it)

I was not aware of this, thank you for bringing it to my attention.

[GiddyGuy]

41 minutes ago, Squirrel12 said:

For example?

There is literally a class called ranger in DnD that has a sub-class where you get a animal companion that can do tasks for you.

[Squirrel12]

5 minutes ago, GiddyGuy said:

There is literally a class called ranger in DnD that has a sub-class where you get a animal companion that can do tasks for you.

I don't play Dnd. I'm really sorry.

[JJ0264]

I think Walters problem is that he's got like 10 perks; Slingshot, Woby, Fearlessness can be adjusted but not cut out of Walters abilities due to the animated short, Walter also can't really get rid of Portable tent or Pinetree hats since it's tied to him being a scout

Telling stories/sanity from trees should be cut imo even if they fit the scout, Walters got 5 more perks that are much more substantial plus takes away from his custom items + downsides (and we already got some characters that help with sanity Willow, Wendy, Wormwood)

Allergies should be expanded upon like bees do 1.5x damage or 15 dmg, -15% movement speed for quarter day, Walter's face will puff up red, but can BE countered by a beekeeper hat (every other armor will be pierced)

p.s. Does anyone agree Walter's stats are weird they bug me, hunger should go 110 to 100 and health goes 130 to 125

[BreadScientist]

1 hour ago, GiddyGuy said:

There is literally a class called ranger in DnD that has a sub-class where you get a animal companion that can do tasks for you.

Ranger is also the worst class by a largin margin in DnD. In fact, ironically, the animal companion sub-class is considered the worst subclass in all of dnd. 

I don't really care about Walter at all but I thought it was funny you used the ranger as an example of why this trope works.

 

Furthermore, Ranger in DnD doesn't mean "Someone who uses range." The best archery build is actually the arcane archer subclass for the Fighter, not the Ranger (excluding dumb multi-class builds that get complex AF.) And if you want to make the ranger effective you actually have to do Dual Wielding melee weapons rather than range. "Ranger" in this sense doesn't mean "attacks at range", it basically means Park ranger. Someone who lives out in the wilds and protects it, which puts ranger in this really awkward spot between druid, rogue, and fighter. It's a mess of a class. WoTC (the current owners and writers for DND) actually came out with a revised edition of the ranger because even they realized how they messed it up.

https://media.wizards.com/2016/dnd/downloads/UA_RevisedRanger.pdf

Granted, it's kinda old now and it's never been published, always in playtesting, and the newer ranger subclasses (none of which focus on animal companions nor range) sorta fix the problems, but not all of them.

[Harrowick]

3 hours ago, Squirrel12 said:

A lot of of people have suggested that Woby should be deleted in future reworks...Problem is, Klei can't do that because of the Animated Short.

Warbucks being in the animated beta trailer for Hamlet didn't stop him from dying/escaping the constant. 

If they really wanted to remove Woby (don't)  they could write it off as Woby being returned to her owner, whoever it may be.

[Beardicus]

I guarantee you, if Klei wanted to rework Walter, they wouldn't care if the changes conflicted with the animated short. If it really was a big problem, they could always just make another short explaining the change. For example, if they wanted to nix Woby, all they'd have to do was show that Walter succeeded in his goal of bringing Woby back to his home.

[GuyNamedChris]

I've never seen so many confused reactions on one post.

Anyway, the shorts don't mean that things are set in stone. Just look at Warbucks in the old Hamlet trailer. We don't talk about Warbucks. 
But people already like Woby, and he's not broken, so why change him?

[Karitha]

Yes, not being able shot when Woby moving is an annoying problem but it's not serious enough to removing the character.

[Greggorizing]

The thing is, klei wanted woby to be a thing. They already animated all of her actions. I seriously doubt they would agree to just make her vanish because some people don't like how she doesn't fit with Walter.
BUT IF THEY DID, they can simply pull a Warbucks, he was in the hamlet trailers, he was added to the game, and they didn't want him, and now he is gone sadly.
If they seriously wanted to retcon woby they could and just give a dumb reason in the lore.

(damn, i just read up, glad people didn't forget about warbucks)
(also if they wanted woby gone, they can just say, woby didn't follow walter after that.)

[Greggorizing]

 

6 hours ago, BreadScientist said:

Ranger is also the worst class by a largin margin in DnD. In fact, ironically, the animal companion sub-class is considered the worst subclass in all of dnd. 

I don't really care about Walter at all but I thought it was funny you used the ranger as an example of why this trope works.

 

Furthermore, Ranger in DnD doesn't mean "Someone who uses range." The best archery build is actually the arcane archer subclass for the Fighter, not the Ranger (excluding dumb multi-class builds that get complex AF.) And if you want to make the ranger effective you actually have to do Dual Wielding melee weapons rather than range. "Ranger" in this sense doesn't mean "attacks at range", it basically means Park ranger. Someone who lives out in the wilds and protects it, which puts ranger in this really awkward spot between druid, rogue, and fighter. It's a mess of a class. WoTC (the current owners and writers for DND) actually came out with a revised edition of the ranger because even they realized how they messed it up.

https://media.wizards.com/2016/dnd/downloads/UA_RevisedRanger.pdf

Granted, it's kinda old now and it's never been published, always in playtesting, and the newer ranger subclasses (none of which focus on animal companions nor range) sorta fix the problems, but not all of them.

Arcane Archer is actually pretty bad because of how limited its uses of his shots are(2-3 shots known, 2 uses per long rest, battle master is a better range build), tho action surge helps alot
PHB Ranger is bad because it has too many passives that mean nothing in not hardcore realistic campaigns, both revised and new class features rangers are pretty good
Ranger thematically implies rangers like in LoTR, for example Legolas, its just that you aren't limited to a bow because Ranger is just a hunter/forest keeper hybrid
Beast Master is bad only because they messed up the action economy, between what you do and what your beast, you are effectively stronger than a bear thus there is no reason to lose your turn so the bear can fight

Anyways thematically ranger works alot like how Walter should, if we take the most bare example of a ranger, that's probably what they should be going for with walter ngl

[DaZoul]

Since when do characters in DST have to have a "class"? Ranger? Animal tamer? This ain't some sort of MOBA game or WoW copy, this is DST, there aren't any classes here. Sure, you could theoretically put em in classes, but official classes don't exist. This is partly what makes them special, all characters can do whatever they wanna do. And Woby rocks, sue me whatever

[MondayNight]

If anything after Woby, I believe pets need rework on a similar note. Woby is atm by far "the proud Chad" (Chadette?!) of pets group.

[Pine G]

Exactly! I was thinking the same thing and I´m glad this topic has been brought to light.

[Blue Moth]

17 hours ago, Squirrel12 said:

And I hate the dog...The dog just shouldn't be a thing. Having an immortal Chester follower feels so much like a "pet mod" and the large version of Moby is not only currently useless late game, but also really ugly looking in my opinon.

you forget that having Woby does not restrict you to only Woby. You can still tame beefalo, and you can still have chester, and if you really hate big Woby so much, you can always just use her as just a pet with inventory slots who doesn't beg for food and make you wanna rip out your eardrums.

I do agree with you on some degree, however. I personally think Woby should have less inventory slots than Chester, 6 at most. she definitely needs an inventory nerf.

[MagicalSkies]

Yes, it is useless to have an easier transportation and not having to go through the Beefalo taming process. I can see how this is a very big problem for new players and for experienced players who want to travel faster.

Personally, I don’t see a problem with Woby, I don’t think she’s useless late game, she’s perfect for many types of players! Those who like combat can flee easily, she can help you carry marble statues for those who want to fight the shadow pieces or ancient Fuelweaver. Base builders can travel around base easily, and those who just want to enjoy the survival spirit can explore the world much more easily.

And about the beta, that was how the she shells sea shells was released, remember? I’m pretty sure Walter was tested before his release. I think Woby should stay, I don’t care if she gets nerfed or buffed, but she has to stay, not because she’s cute, but because it’s part of the lore and kind of something that makes Walter more special (yes I know there’s already characters with companions like Willow, Woodie and Wendy.)

Think about it, Woby follows the W name rule, the FIRST companion to do so! She also plays an important part with Walter, it’s like wanting a Wendy without an Abigail.