nakomaru Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, psusi said: I only see one NG pump in there. If 3.5 kg/s of crude goes in then isn't that going to produce way more than 500g/s of NG that will need to be pumped out? The pump to gas storage is an unlimited pressure bypass that sucks to vacuum every other tick (top left). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, nakomaru said: The pump to gas storage is an unlimited pressure bypass that sucks to vacuum every other tick (top left). Yes, but in that storage there is only one pump to send the gas out to NG gens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf2010 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, psusi said: Yes, but in that storage there is only one pump to send the gas out to NG gens. Easiest part of a NG boiler to modify and ultimately unimportant when designing testing builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suxkar Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/1/2020 at 2:55 PM, nakomaru said: Because it's an open system with regards to oil in and gas/sulfur out, any imbalance in SHC will be carried by the final temperature difference in the input/ouputs in a perfectly efficient system and reach a steady-state. A simpler example is that when converting oil to petroleum at 100% efficiency, your petroleum output will always be higher than your oil input. This changes depending on your starting temperature, but here is an example. (300K input → 312.4K output). Less than 100% efficiency is okay too. It will just increase the output steady state (it will make the -635 number closer to 0). Oh, I didn't think of that. Thanks, it makes complete sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Underway to my PoC. Building even in debug takes some time. I don't know, if it will work, but as always science and engineering dictates, i have to try. If my math served me right, i have around 28MDTU/s to kill from conversion of sour gas to nat gas, that's the reason for the 24 ATs. Maybe the shafts are to short, i will see... could not wrap my brain around to calculate min or optimal length... brain too rusty. IF it will work, you have to decide: 1. where to put 1778 nat gas generators 2. what to do with 1.422 MW of energy 3. how to handle 120 kg/s polluted water OR steam 4. how to handle 40kg/s CO2 The design is ALMOST feasible, as there are maps with 60+ oil wells or in other words 200kg/s crude oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 20 hours ago, TripleM999 said: The design is ALMOST feasible, as there are maps with 60+ oil wells or in other words 200kg/s crude oil There are? Jesus! I thought my current map had a lot. I think it has 3 or 4 pairs of them and one or two lone ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 20 hours ago, TripleM999 said: science and engineering dictates I only see 24 pumps... You left one out, as max flow is 250. Was the extra one left out for safety measures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 hour ago, mathmanican said: I only see 24 pumps... You left one out, as max flow is 250. Was the extra one left out for safety measures. 24 pumps or 240kg crude makes the math more appealing. 160kg NG and many more. I have a showstopper though at the moment, and i hope, you as the liquid magician can help. The bead pump don't want to start, either what amount of crude i throw at it. It beads one time and then drips. Has for sure to do with liquids liking it more to move left, instead of right. Even the classical approach with a vent above a mesh tile wont work. one bead, rest drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, TripleM999 said: The bead pump don't want to start Your pump is on the incorrect side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 hour ago, psusi said: There are? Jesus! I thought my current map had a lot. I think it has 3 or 4 pairs of them and one or two lone ones. With https://toolsnotincluded.net/map-tools/map-browser you can filter for oil reservoir, count at least 60. The current DB contains exactly 1 map. But there were much more, around 20 before. 1 minute ago, mathmanican said: Your pump is on the incorrect side. so single bead HAS to be on the left side? As you showed left AND right side beads/waterfalls too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 30 minutes ago, TripleM999 said: one bead, rest drops. Another possible issue is flaking. If flaking occurs, then lots of the liquid stops beading. So if you hit the conditions to force flaking to happen... 25 minutes ago, TripleM999 said: so single bead HAS to be on the left side? As you showed left AND right side beads/waterfalls too. In that post, you'll find a collection of 128 different pictures, illustrating how to form waterfalls off the left. In a few cases, you get a bead on the left. Because of the complexity of making waterfalls off the right, I didn't bother testing that case, and didn't check 128 different configurations. It is my best guess that the issues is the side you built your pump on. However, it looks like you have the tenacity to check all possible configurations on the right. If you want to do it for us, and share, I'd love to see the results. This picture might help you setup a test scenario on the right. I know the thread is about waterfalls, but you get bead pumps in some configurations. @TripleM999, another simple option might be to move your door 2 tiles down, so you get the required waterfall start configuration. That's my first simple thought, but I can't open up ONI right now to test. Leave the sensor where it is. Unfortunately, this means you'll be dropping 2 full tiles of liquid right off the bat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Fixed it with changing side. With this size it's not that easy, so quite ugly fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, TripleM999 said: quite ugly They could go in this region: They don't have to be above the level at which liquid flows, since crude pushes upwards at way under 1000kg. Any reason you left out a NG trap above this section (using a natural filter lock) to suck out any stray NG? Oh wait, this was for science (can it be done), not usefulness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 37 minutes ago, mathmanican said: They could go in this region: They don't have to be above the level at which liquid flows, since crude pushes upwards at way under 1000kg. Any reason you left out a NG trap above this section (using a natural filter lock) to suck out any stray NG? Oh wait, this was for science (can it be done), not usefulness. You are quite right, they could have gone there, when i think about it... No reason to seal them from above... maybe heat transfer, could be good or bad. There should be no stray NG, plenty of cooling for the startup. NG usually gone loose on initialization or too little cooling, not intermediate. Btw. Stable bead at 120kg: Thought about it, to power all the pumps for the 160kg NG one would need TWO conductive heavy watts circuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 I do not think, flaking plays a major role for the OSHA bead boiler, as glas was not helping, but limiting the max flow for the given chimney length to 180kg/s. Conductivity seems to be more important, as changing to thermium metal tiles allowed reaching the 240kg/s. I made an alternative NG trap, and although it is not 100% reliable, i think it is a basic necessity cause of the sheer mass of NG. Gas Pumps could not cope. Also pure liquid motion seems to not be able to keep up with the NG mass, so i used a mini esher to remove the methane from the condenser. Edit: Had to modify the cooling chamber for more thermal mass and heat exchange. (metal statues and bridges between super coolant basin and cooling chamber) Final build of the PoC, running at 240kg/s crude before long time test. Edit: Current build with modified cooling chamber. Different implementation with the "Temperature Swamp"-device. And a different boiler plate (liquid aluminium) for better conductivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Wow, high flow/high pressure gas operations are messy. I doubt, this thing will ever reach a stable equilibrium. Everything is highly volatile and heavily fluctuating. Horizontally gases are swapping mass and temperature seemingly random, vertically it looks more predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneFinn Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Exploring some new (to me) concepts. I'm calling it brute force and ignorance Much love @mathmanican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, TheOneFinn said: Much love @mathmanican I'm thinking "the doomsday freezer" might be a good name for your lower left corner. Or maybe just a boring "flaking freezer". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 10 hours ago, TheOneFinn said: Exploring some new (to me) concepts. I'm calling it brute force and ignorance Welcome to the forums. I'm glad you are having some fun. Now we just need to build this in 1/4th the space, and make it so simple that a brand new player could copy it... That might be too optimistic, but let's aim for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneFinn Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, mathmanican said: Welcome to the forums. I'm glad you are having some fun. Now we just need to build this in 1/4th the space, and make it so simple that a brand new player could copy it... That might be too optimistic, but let's aim for it. First goal is to do it without space materials, I;m pretty sure a single hydrogen thermal regulator should be more than enough to keep your doomsday chiller stable, so its more what is the minimum I can get away with to tap the right side off of a volcano. Hardest part I think is going to be making the methane block in survivial as its under AETN temp, once you have that you are laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I think, bead exchangers are declared mainstream now. Francis Johns minibase sour gas boiler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACLVIKR7UjI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Man. Why don't we have some use for sulfur yet? Wouldn't it be crazy if sulfur had a nice use and the natural gas became the byproduct of this operation? Several nice designs. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suxkar Posted July 18, 2020 Author Share Posted July 18, 2020 12 hours ago, 0xFADE said: Man. Why don't we have some use for sulfur yet? Wouldn't it be crazy if sulfur had a nice use and the natural gas became the byproduct of this operation? Several nice designs. Thanks. It is ready for cooling through shipping rails. I use it directly in the boiler, it reduces the temperature of the output natural gas by around 30 degrees, though it doesn' really matter since it goes directly inside natgas generators, which don't care about input temp. You could still cool something else nearby, but I agree, some other use would be nice. Also, it's yellow gas, pretty exotic colouring. My first attempt to turn my boiler on was a GIGANTIC fail, everything melted and I ended up with a room full of sour gas, natgas and gas sulphur. It looked really nice (and gay)(and deadly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 1:45 PM, TripleM999 said: bead exchangers are declared mainstream now Perfect. As more people finally start using them, I'm excited to see what kinds of crazy contraptions start appearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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