goochmyster Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I know this was mentioned in the anoucement thread of QoL2 but im just wondering if anyone out there knows a way around the black hole? Ive tried debug "Destroy", CTRL + F4 and deconstructing, etc. no luck. If nothing else I'm kinda hoping the developers will hotfix it if more attention is drew to it. I just cant get enough of this game. 700+ hours in already and i keep going back for more! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 wait till next hotfix Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunazone Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 You can check out of the beta, deconstruct the outhouses, then go back in. That's what I did Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilibat Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Deconstructing Reglur Lav's crashes the game too, FWIW. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goochmyster Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 I just tried that and you're right, the dupes just hate us deleting their bathrooms I guess lol. @gary9996 I was hoping someone else had figured it out, Thanks so much! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Looks like Klei wanted to fix that exploit where you get 200kg of dirt and 100.5 kg of polluted dirt when you deconstruct full outhouse. This caused side effect that you cannot deconstruct outhouses at all. I'm wondering how Klei testers team is testing such cases? Do they receive some change note for code and they test changed features and areas around it? This is what happens in my company when new software revision was received. So if they do in similar way then how tihs problem was not detected if it is 100% occuring each time on everybody's comupter. Or maybe Klei rely only on players as testers? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Angpaur said: Looks like Klei wanted to fix that exploit where you get 200kg of dirt and 100.5 kg of polluted dirt when you deconstruct full outhouse. This caused side effect that you cannot deconstruct outhouses at all. I'm wondering how Klei testers team is testing such cases? Do they receive some change note for code and they test changed features and areas around it? This is what was done in my company when new software revision was received. So if they do in similar way then how tihs problem was not detected if it is 100% occuring each time on everybody's comupter. Or maybe Klei rely only on players as testers? Or maybe the dev team never got around to deconstructing outhouses while testing the changes. Sometimes little things get overlooked. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, KittenIsAGeek said: Or maybe the dev team never got around to deconstructing outhouses while testing the changes. Sometimes little things get overlooked. Only it isn't little thing. This is what could happen if it is really a side effect of an attempt to fix outhouse exploit - a tester receives a change note where it clearly states that code was changed in outhouse deconstruction functionality. So first thing a tester should check is if deconstructing outhouse still works well. But this is still under assumption that it is the side effect I described and that Klei test their code in a way like it is done in my company. I could be totally wrong, but I judge it from my experience perspective as former tester and now a developer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goochmyster Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 I tend to think that they rely on the community to do the testing. Which is fine by all means. But if that is in fact the case I would honestly like to see more communication between the developers and the community. I mean they do talk with us. But from the few threads I've read through that actually seemed to get a decent amount of attention there still wasn't a developer commenting on it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if they are in fact relying on the community to test, (and even if they aren't) I would AT LEAST like to see more acknowledgements that they're listening to the community and to our recommendations and complaints. eg. the poll about the new printing pod by Lilalaunekuh Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I guess that what gets fixed depends on the number of devs and their experience. An experienced dev will be more likely to fix a complex issue, but it takes time away from fixing other complex issues. Then the patches need tinkering to fix any breaking changes. On a plus side, I am very glad that the development team isn't Bethesda, as the recent calamities over recent Fallout 76 cock ups patches seems just too comical. They've even released patches that accidentally rolled back the version, applying old bugs that had been fixed instead of applying fixes for new bugs. Now they have to fix old bugs again, as well as the bugs that were originally intended to be fixed by the patch, which is just amateur hour at it's finest. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 34 minutes ago, Angpaur said: I'm wondering how Klei testers team is testing such cases? I case you missed it. We are the testing team. It's an early access game, and in order to speed up development Klei did away with testing before releasing previews. <-- you see that badge? It says "alpha contributor" which means I was one of those on the test team before they dispensed with testing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 It always amused me working as a software developer at a particular company, they hired testers at about 1/2 the hourly rate of the developers, yet they only hired 1/2 as many testers as developers, but expected the developers to do most of the testing on the software we wrote. In actuality, they were paying over the odds for developers to do the job of testers instead of just hiring more testers and saving themselves some money while shortening development time. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Craigjw said: It always amused me working as a software developer at a particular company, they hired testers at about 1/2 the hourly rate of the developers, yet they only hired 1/2 as many testers as developers, but expected the developers to do most of the testing on the software we wrote. In actuality, they were paying over the odds for developers to do the job of testers instead of just hiring more testers and saving themselves some money and lengthening development times. In my company, there is no testers on the project I'm working. All the testing is done by the devs. It works pretty well but we are only 5 in the team so there's not much work done every Sprint. I don't know if it would work if we were to be 20 devs or so. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Saturnus said: I case you missed it. We are the testing team And that is the thing that bothers me - software developer should have testing team, to at least test basic things before delivering to customers. We paid for this game and even if it is early access we are theirs customers. A customers who accepts the fact that game is still under developement and some of as are willing to help by testing and bug reporting. But this doesn't mean Klei is supposed to throw all testing responsibility on us, especially if we do it voluntary. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 You see, if you have 2 testers and 4 devs, you'd get more development done instead of testing, while the software is tested more thoroughly and bugs are caught quicker and you find more bugs. Don't get me wrong, development does require some testing, but not when you are doing more testing than development. I'm also not suggesting that you lose 1 member of your team, just to hire 2 testers. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, Angpaur said: And that is the thing that bothers me - software developer should have testing team, to at least test basic things before delivering to customers. We paid for this game and even if it is early access we are theirs customers. A customers who accepts the fact that game is still under developement and some of as are willing to help by testing and bug reporting. But this doesn't mean Klei is supposed to throw all testing responsibility on us, especially if we do it voluntary. You're complaining about a testing branch of an early access game? What. They do do basic testing before delivering it to us. With a group of volunteers that opt into the testing branch. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yunru said: You're complaining about a testing branch of an early access game? What. They do do basic testing before delivering it to us. With a group of volunteers that opt into the testing branch. You're right - it is a testing branch and I opted for it voluntarly and I'm not annoyed that a bug occured. I'm just worried if things haven't gone too far that software developers are now using strategies to cut costs by relying only on testing done by their own customers. Some basic testing still should be performed on developer side and I think we, as customers, should not allow companies to cross certain line and speak up when it happens. Maybe I'm over-reacting the whole thing, but such tendencies to release buggy code are becoming more common in all game industry and gamers should not just accept it and sit silent. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Even in early access, the quality of development of this game is leagues beyond that of a AAA title like Fallout 76, which is probably several orders of magnitude more costly to develop & has been fully released to boot. Klei get too thumbs up from me, their quality of work and dedication is fantastic. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Craigjw said: Fallout 76 I really think we should not take Bethesda as an example. They always released games with lots a game breaking bugs. Bethesda is a really bad company bug wise. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Lets take Ark as an example. Their devs haven't even played the game, don't want to play the game and they have no contact with the community at all and never listen to anything the community asks, begs or demands and the people who do go on the forums to talk to the community are there for advertising purposes and community firefighting. Plus, bugs generally take at least 6 months to fix. The quickest player support your likely to get is at least 2 weeks. EA is another example, if you look at the number of really successful software houses and franchises they've bought, they've stripped all of them, ruined their franchises and monetized every game they have gotten their hands on, to the point that nearly every game now released is pay to win, the only exception is Overwatch, which they have massive advertising revenue on. For EA, their only incentive to making games is to make money on and not what US the players want. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Fallout 76? Ark? Do we really should try to compare to the worst, instead the best? But only question is who is really better than Klei? I don't want people here to think I'm bashing Klei. I still admire them for the overall great work. But I think that things would be better for everybody if they have a testing team to at least do basic check of changed, existing functionalities to detect side effects. In case of new functionalities or features I think it is ok to just give it for testing on beta branches, becasue this is what they are for. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I'm just trying to make a contrast, be glad that it's Klei developing it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophlette Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Craigjw said: the only exception is Overwatch Overwatch is Blizzard. Not EA. Unless I'm missing something. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 You are completely correct. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Craigjw said: I'm just trying to make a contrast, be glad that it's Klei developing it. You just made the contrast too big You could now put there literally Hitler and he would look like an angel compared to Fallout 76 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/102397-outhouseblack-hole/#findComment-1149948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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