The 2C3D Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I’ve been turning ideas over with other people in the Hamlet Beta forum to see if there might be more lore meatiness to Hamlet then Shipwrecked. I’ve always thought of the constant as one Nightmare Throne ruling multiple worlds, but someone brought up the idea of multiple Nightmare Thrones, but I didn’t think much of it at first. And then another person brought it up. And another. Multiple Nightmare Thrones felt a bit like a lore cop out to me, but I want to see if there’s some evidence for it that I’ve missed. Wouldn’t be the first time. Could this be a thing? Just to clarify, I’m not talking about if the Forge and Gorge have their own centres of power. I am talking about actual Nightmare Thrones that have encountered actual Maxwell butt. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilsonGuy_ Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I doubt that any of The DLCs other than RoG are cannon. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 2C3D Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, Wilson_pl said: I doubt that any of The DLCs other than RoG are cannon. So do I, but I’m not giving up... yet... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auth Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 In the shipwrecked release trailer, it's shown that Maxwell still has control over the SW world at 1:05. However, SW has been said to be non-canon anyway. It's probably worth noting the same applies to Hamlet. Spoiler Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapirus Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Auth said: In the shipwrecked release trailer, it's shown that Maxwell still has control over the SW world at 1:05. However, SW has been said to be non-canon anyway. It's probably worth noting the same applies to Hamlet. Reveal hidden contents I think the events in Reing of Giants, Shipwrecked and Hamlet happened time before Don't Starve Togheter. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 2C3D Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, Auth said: SW has been said to be non-canon Phew. Webber’s joy of volcanology quote is non-canon! I’m thinking Hamlet is probably non-canon, but we didn’t have Capy on Hamlet so there’s a minuscule chance. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auth Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, Tapirus said: I think the events in Reing of Giants, Shipwrecked and Hamlet happened time before Don't Starve Togheter. RoG is just an extension onto the base game, included in DST. I don't think it's meant to be thought of as a separate event, just that it's what the world is meant to normally be. And I'm pretty sure some of the devs themselves said SW is not canon. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Was Shipwrecked actually ever explicitly said to be non-canon? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapirus Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Auth said: RoG is just an extension onto the base game, included in DST. I don't think it's meant to be thought of as a separate event, just that it's what the world is meant to normally be. And I'm pretty sure some of the devs themselves said SW is not canon. When the devs said SW is not canon? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auth Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, Tapirus said: When the devs said SW is not canon? In a stream if I remember correctly. I'd love to pull up what stream and where, but it's probably diluted by a year or so of other content, and I have no idea which one would've said it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Tapirus said: I think the events in Reing of Giants, Shipwrecked and Hamlet happened time before Don't Starve Togheter. I used to think this as well, but the biggest evidence against this is that is that Warly, Walani, Wilbur and Woodlegs were left out. It makes no sense that everyone was brought together, but these 4 were left out. I mean, it makes sense from a gameplay perspective, but not really lore wise. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapirus Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 26 minutes ago, Sinister_Fang said: I used to think this as well, but the biggest evidence against this is that is that Warly, Walani, Wilbur and Woodlegs were left out. It makes no sense that everyone was brought together, but these 4 were left out. I mean, it makes sense from a gameplay perspective, but not really lore wise. In Don't Starve almost everybody run alone and lost in diverse worlds/islands. When Charlie comes to Throne, she changes the world a bit and start making small groups (as experiment of his new powers?). I mean, look the group, they're just 11 + Maxwell, not much people. Maybe Warly, Walani, Wilbur and Woodlegs still alone or now is another group. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 42 minutes ago, Tapirus said: In Don't Starve almost everybody run alone and lost in diverse worlds/islands. When Charlie comes to Throne, she changes the world a bit and start making small groups (as experiment of his new powers?). The cyclum puzzles showed that it was Maxwell and Wilson that brought them all together, not Charlie. 46 minutes ago, Tapirus said: I mean, look the group, they're just 11 + Maxwell, not much people. Maybe Warly, Walani, Wilbur and Woodlegs still alone or now is another group. It still seems odd that of the 16 total characters, 4 were excluded because of unexplained reasons. There's also absolutely no mention of anything related to SW in DST. It's almost as if... it never happened... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 56 minutes ago, Tapirus said: In Don't Starve almost everybody run alone and lost in diverse worlds/islands. When Charlie comes to Throne, she changes the world a bit and start making small groups (as experiment of his new powers?). I mean, look the group, they're just 11 + Maxwell, not much people. Maybe Warly, Walani, Wilbur and Woodlegs still alone or now is another group. rip hamlet group Spoiler like a pig and a treasure hunter - killed on day 1 perhaps xd Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapirus Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 24 minutes ago, Sinister_Fang said: The cyclum puzzles showed that it was Maxwell and Wilson that brought them all together, not Charlie. It still seems odd that of the 16 total characters, 4 were excluded because of unexplained reasons. There's also absolutely no mention of anything related to SW in DST. It's almost as if... it never happened... Maxwell and Wilson tried to make a portal to escape of Constant, but then was changed by Charlie to make the group. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 2C3D Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 Wilbur is just some random (king) monkey you can play as, so he’s not going to be treated like other characters. Others still have no reason to disappear. I’m saying SW is non-canon. If we want Hamlet to be canon we need a reason for Warbucks to disappear. (We can disqualify Wilba on Wilbur logic) I’ve got no reason for him to disappear... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 What if travel between the DLCs is what's not canon? Thus only the RoG folk moved into DST territory while the others are still stuck. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtollerOfTrolls Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I thought the Devs said that the SW characters were there by accident. Maybe SW is canon, but only for those characters and the Constant is just messing with them for fun? Maybe they are alternate parts of the Constant. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberry Shake Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Awhile ago I proposed a theory that SW and furthermore, Hamlet, are worlds in the magic portal chain of adventure (tm), with none of the characters (excluding maybe DLC exclusives, who could be trapped in those realms instead of the constant) interactions being canon, and I still stand by that. As for multiple thrones, Pugna refers to "the throne", which kinda debunks the idea unless we get more info in reforge. However, there could still be a less powerful throne in those realms, but I like to think that the end of adventure mode is a realm of itself and as we don't have one in the constant, I don't really think that's the case. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97449-there-can%E2%80%99t-be-multiple-nightmare-thrones-or-can-there/#findComment-1103636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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