Craigjw Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I see some vertical liquid air locks people are using, that are only 1 tile wide, how are these made please? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 two different liquids so that they sit atop each other. Or if you feel like that's too much effort, and don't mind dupes feeling grimy, use a T shape. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, Yunru said: two different liquids so that they sit atop each other. That will not work for very long. Instead use this 4 step process that actually works. 1) Build a U bend. Insulated tiles are the one you intend to keep. 2) Pour in 3 different liquids. The bottom one, typically crude oil, have to cover the bottom tile and some of the 2nd tile. The amount of liquid in the top 3 layers doesn't matter. The order they are poured in doesn't matter either as they'll arrange themselves. 3) Put in the roof tile and deconstruct one side to let excess fluids run out. Mop. Repeat for the other side. Typically requires multiple mop order on both sides. 4) Finish roof, and you're done. The point here is that the dupe cannot stand inside the liquid and breathe which will break the liquid lock due to CO2 moving one of the liquids away. That's why it's two deep so standing on the bottom would not allow the dupe to breathe, and the dupe will just jump the one tile gap instead. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 as an alternative use visco-gel that becomes available in the next update, main advantage of this over using stacked liquids is slowing down the transfer of heat, Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Saturnus said: That will not work for very long. Instead use this 4 step process that actually works. 1) Build a U bend. Insulated tiles are the one you intend to keep. 2) Pour in 3 different liquids. The bottom one, typically crude oil, have to cover the bottom tile and some of the 2nd tile. The amount of liquid in the top 3 layers doesn't matter. The order they are poured in doesn't matter either as they'll arrange themselves. 3) Put in the roof tile and deconstruct one side to let excess fluids run out. Mop. Repeat for the other side. Typically requires multiple mop order on both sides. 4) Finish roof, and you're done. The point here is that the dupe cannot stand inside the liquid and breathe which will break the liquid lock due to CO2 moving one of the liquids away. That's why it's two deep so standing on the bottom would not allow the dupe to breathe, and the jump will just jump the one tile gap instead. I've been looking for a consolidated guide on making water locks, this is awesome. Have you done any experiments with the new isogel to make more compact water locks, or do they have the same pitfalls? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, crypticorb said: Have you done any experiments with the new isogel to make more compact water locks, or do they have the same pitfalls? I haven't as I don't do previews but I know for a fact that the same pitfalls apply with regards to having to make it 2 deep to avoid dupes breathing inside the liquid. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 In all my testing this seems to work as the best airlock so far with 0 heat transfer Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Neotuck said: In all my testing this seems to work as the best airlock so far with 0 heat transfer Assuming there's vacuum between the gel columns, wouldn't it eventually acquire a small amount of CO2 from dupes exhaling? I'm fairly certain dupes in exosuits do not exhale at all, though I can't recall any experiments or examples where I checked this. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellshound38 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 the mesh tile doesn't transfer? is that intended? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, crypticorb said: Assuming there's vacuum between the gel columns, wouldn't it eventually acquire a small amount of CO2 from dupes exhaling? I'm fairly certain dupes in exosuits do not exhale at all, though I can't recall any experiments or examples where I checked this. Dupes only exhale when breathing oxygen they hold their breath both in and out when they cannot breathe Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, crypticorb said: Assuming there's vacuum between the gel columns, wouldn't it eventually acquire a small amount of CO2 from dupes exhaling? I'm fairly certain dupes in exosuits do not exhale at all, though I can't recall any experiments or examples where I checked this. Dupes do not exhale when they're holding their breath, so no. Do note however that flatulent dupes will break wind there eventually if they have access to go through it. And it doesn't matter if they are in an exosuit/jet pack or not. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Hellshound38 said: the mesh tile doesn't transfer? is that intended? Oops, it might. Just replace with an insulated tile that uses the new insulation material and it should be fine Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, Saturnus said: That will not work for very long. Instead use this 4 step process that actually works. 1) Build a U bend. Insulated tiles are the one you intend to keep. 2) Pour in 3 different liquids. The bottom one, typically crude oil, have to cover the bottom tile and some of the 2nd tile. The amount of liquid in the top 3 layers doesn't matter. The order they are poured in doesn't matter either as they'll arrange themselves. 3) Put in the roof tile and deconstruct one side to let excess fluids run out. Mop. Repeat for the other side. Typically requires multiple mop order on both sides. 4) Finish roof, and you're done. The point here is that the dupe cannot stand inside the liquid and breathe which will break the liquid lock due to CO2 moving one of the liquids away. That's why it's two deep so standing on the bottom would not allow the dupe to breathe, and the dupe will just jump the one tile gap instead. I've seen an example with a vent tile at the base, I'm assuming that this is just placed once the vertical column is completed? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Craigjw said: I've seen an example with a vent tile at the base, I'm assuming that this is just placed once the vertical column is completed? Or used to pour in the liquids instead of the bottle emptier. Full tiles of crude oil doesn't block vents. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Neotuck said: Oops, it might. Just replace with an insulated tile that uses the new insulation material and it should be fine I seem to remember a post not so long ago about the vent tiles in a vacuum not transferring heat, can anyone confirm this? Thanks for the input, very helpful and saved me a bunch of time peeing against the wind, so to speak. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulwind Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Does the new viscogel cause the wet debuffs? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Craigjw said: I seem to remember a post not so long ago about the vent tiles in a vacuum not transferring heat, can anyone confirm this? Any tile that allows gases through takes the properties of said gas, so in the case of a vacuum... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnis Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 mesh and airflow tiles in vacuum do not transfer heat, in that regard they are also vacuum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Saturnus said: Dupes do not exhale when they're holding their breath, so no. Do note however that flatulent dupes will break wind there eventually if they have access to go through it. And it doesn't matter if they are in an exosuit/jet pack or not. Even this could be solved with a mini gas pump, to retain the vacuum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Soulwind said: Does the new viscogel cause the wet debuffs? Yes, but if a duplicate jumps through it they will not receive any debuffs. That's the reason for the gap in my picture Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, crypticorb said: I've been looking for a consolidated guide on making water locks, this is awesome. Have you done any experiments with the new isogel to make more compact water locks, or do they have the same pitfalls? Come to think of it, I now remember that there was a post discussing the various types of air locks, I don't have the link though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Soulwind said: Does the new viscogel cause the wet debuffs? It does, just like any other liquid. This is mostly irrelevant for most cases where viscogel would be used, because dupes would be in exosuits. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, crypticorb said: Even this could be solved with a mini gas pump, to retain the vacuum. Not quite, flatulent dupes can fart inside the liquid which will break the liquid lock, so don't allow flatulent dupes to go through at all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Saturnus said: Not quite, flatulent dupes can fart inside the liquid which will break the liquid lock, so don't allow flatulent dupes to go through at all. Murder all flatulent dupes, got it! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 49 minutes ago, Neotuck said: In all my testing this seems to work as the best airlock so far with 0 heat transfer Do dupes get sopping wet from this if they aren't wearing exosuits? Because there was a time when they wouldn't. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/#findComment-1092457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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