Why farm sage hatchlings and dense pufts?

[psusi]

Why bother?  Sage seems to eat food, which is better to feed dupes and let the hatches munch on stone.  What use is storing oxygen as oxylite?

 

[Christophlette]

I can understand dense puft farming to farm egg shells. As oxygen is pretty easy to produce. It is easily farmable industrially. The bad thing is that puft eggs don't give much egg shells... And pufts don't produce much eggs... But oh well, it's easy so...

Sage hatches I don't know. Maybe so you can feed bristle berry. As water is technically an renewable resource you can convert water to food and food to coal. Not very efficiently but it's still nice you can do it.

[psusi]

Yea but it is even easier to produce polluted oxygen for regular pufts, and the slime they poop is useful.

 

[Christophlette]

Easier... I don't know about that. Evaporating PH2O is quite tedious as it requires 12.5 tiles. And morbs take a lot of work to spawn and I heard they consume a lot of computer power so I don't know. Oxygen only needs a bit of water. And you can feed 16 pufts with only one electrolyser (maybe more close to 12 due to downtime).

If you have a PO2 vent though... Slime is free ^^

[BadlyBurned]

I use Dense Pufts to maintain a population of Pufts. I find it too hard to maintain a normal Puft stable easily as I need to provide PO2. Dense Pufts require little to no special treatment, so I can keep a couple alive in case I ever need Pufts in the late game, and then I can kill the wild population that flies around dropping slime all over the place.

[psusi]

You don't have to feed them with just polluted water; the slime also can re-evaporate and feed them again.  You'd also be letting the oxylite evaporate with the dense puft I imagine, so you only would need very little added oxygen.  Still the only real difference is that you are using some oxygen instead of polluted water.

So I guess if you just want some worry free meat and egg shells that's what they are for?  I was hoping the oxylite itself had some use, or that maybe you got more oxygen out of the oxylite than the puft had to eat to make it or something.

 

[Christophlette]

Slime is too precious to be left evaporating. I'd prefer turning it into algae that is only renewable through this way. 

Normal pufts are for slime in my opinion.

Dense pufts are for free (or very easy) meat or omelette and egg shells.

But that's only my vision of it. A lot of people don't really like them.

[psusi]

What about temperature?  Can they consume hot O2 and the O2 that comes from oxylite will be cooler?

 

[Man in the Mist]

Oxygen fresh from the Electrolyzer will fry dense pufts.  Running that oxygen through a couple of thermo regulators will make it safe for dense pufts to consume.

OTOH, oxylite has a much higher thermal conductivity than oxygen, making it a lot easier to heat or cool.  Furthermore, oxylite won't gas off if the surrounding pressure is at about 1.8 kg allowing you to store it in your main base or in outposts.

[Soulwind]

I always try to store up some oxylite for easy transport to remote locations that I want to aerate. 

[PhailRaptor]

Sage Hatches CAN eat food items, but do not have to.  The Veggie Diet includes Dirt, Polluted Dirt, Algae, and Fertilizer.  The advantage of Sage Hatches over other types of Hatch is the 1:1 mass conversion ratio of food content to Coal.  Feed them 75 kg or Fertilizer?  Get 75 kg of Coal out.  Normal and Stone Hatches both convert at a 2:1 ratio, meaning you get 50% of the mass out that you put in, in exchange for being able to eat rocks instead.

[Promethien]

The Oxylite Dense Pufts output is 90% of what they consume. So they effectively consume very little resources. Unfortunately their food output is also half that of other critters. It takes two Puft deaths to make a single BBQ as opposed to other critters being one to one. Also unfortunately if you want to raise critters for meat Dreckos and Pacus can be used for that purpose and the only resource they consume is what is used to set them up.

So really the value in Pufts is in what they output and that means there is dupe labor involved in grooming them so its not just something you get for free. So the question is: Is it worth the dupe labor to keep Dense Pufts? Only you can answer that but I find the utility of oxylite to be rather small.

[PhailRaptor]

3 hours ago, Promethien said:

So really the value in Pufts is in what they output and that means there is dupe labor involved in grooming them so its not just something you get for free. So the question is: Is it worth the dupe labor to keep Dense Pufts? Only you can answer that but I find the utility of oxylite to be rather small.

I would say that, until there is a genuine use for Oxylite, the Dense Puft is an interesting curiosity with little actual benefit.  I'm sure that will change in the future, but for the moment, there it is.

[BlueLance]

IIRC dense pufts poop out oxyllite at their body temperature, so for a while they will cool down hot oxygen until their temperature increases and kills em.

They are free and easy food producers to be honest, they poop 95%(IIRC) of what they eat so you hardly use any oxygen, you can let it off-gas and they will eat that over and over again, sure they need a puft prince but they will eventually lay an egg and as long as it survives until it starves the dense pufts should keep laying dense puft eggs which you can cook/let hatch and you get meat from the pufts when they die. Its a win win,

Normal pufts are the worst out of the three if you ask me, You have to constantly supply them with new materials unless you let the slimepolluted water sublimate/evaporate. So unless you have an excess of polluted oxygen etc you will eventually run out. 

Squeaky Pufts are probably the easiest out of them all, put them in a sealed room with a tube entrance and leave the bleachstone, they will never really run out of food, and your chances of getting a chlorine vent are 50% Food also wont rot in here so you dont have to worry about the meat until later. 

Dense Pufts are similar to squeaky pufts, if you have an excess of oxygen you might as well make use of it and get extra food and eggs!

Sage hatches, unless you have an excess of the materials they produce much more coal than normal hatches, but otherwise they do not have much going for them.

[psusi]

OK!  Good to know that Sage hatches produce twice as much coal.  Dirt is scarce latter on so that and fertilizer are out, but with pufts making slime and distilling that into algae, that sounds like good food for sage hatches.  And you get water as a side product.  Now if I could just get some morbs to spawn to feed the pufts.

 

[BlueLance]

1 hour ago, psusi said:

OK!  Good to know that Sage hatches produce twice as much coal.  Dirt is scarce latter on so that and fertilizer are out, but with pufts making slime and distilling that into algae, that sounds like good food for sage hatches.  And you get water as a side product.  Now if I could just get some morbs to spawn to feed the pufts.

Let your outhouses stay full for a cycle and a half and one will spawn from it, you can place a door below it and open/close it to reset the outhouse and repeat the process for as many morbs as you want

[Tobruk]

20 hours ago, Christophlette said:

I can understand dense puft farming to farm egg shells. As oxygen is pretty easy to produce. It is easily farmable industrially. The bad thing is that puft eggs don't give much egg shells... And pufts don't produce much eggs... But oh well, it's easy so...

Sage hatches I don't know. Maybe so you can feed bristle berry. As water is technically an renewable resource you can convert water to food and food to coal. Not very efficiently but it's still nice you can do it.

Sage hatches eat bad stuff like slime, rotted food, polluted dirt. They act as trash bins, basically.

[psusi]

47 minutes ago, BlueLance said:

Let your outhouses stay full for a cycle and a half and one will spawn from it, you can place a door below it and open/close it to reset the outhouse and repeat the process for as many morbs as you want

Hrm... I filled up an outhouse and shut it off so it won't be emptied... been quite a few cycles and still no morb.  Didn't know you had to put a door under it to make it spawn more.

[PhailRaptor]

5 hours ago, psusi said:

Hrm... I filled up an outhouse and shut it off so it won't be emptied... been quite a few cycles and still no morb.  Didn't know you had to put a door under it to make it spawn more.

You can't disable the Outhouse.  If you do, you are freezing the Morb's spawn timer.  You have to leave it enabled, and instead block Dupe access to the Outhouse so they physically can't reach it to clean it.