Showers in EU

[WanderingKid]

It looks like showers aren't part of the break system.  Any single griminess will send them to the showers, even if they just got out of the shower.  Also, there's still no reason not to leave them grimy.

[Lilalaunekuh]

47 minutes ago, WanderingKid said:

It looks like showers aren't part of the break system.  Any single griminess will send them to the showers, even if they just got out of the shower.  Also, there's still no reason not to leave them grimy.

Since the water sieve rework, I take every chance to convert clean into polluted water.

=> I use many dirt temp shift plates

[WanderingKid]

Just now, Lilalaunekuh said:

Since the water sieve rework, I take every chance to convert clean into polluted water.

=> I use many dirt temp shift plates

Showers are far too time consuming for my blood to worry about that.  A couple of sieve/skimmer setups seem to work just fine for me to not bother with slicksters.

[BadlyBurned]

57 minutes ago, Lilalaunekuh said:

Since the water sieve rework, I take every chance to convert clean into polluted water.

=> I use many dirt temp shift plates

Can you explain what you mean? Do you use dirt temp shift to prevent heat transfer and use sieved water? I'm not even sure how other temp shifts work outside of thermally reactive ones. Like if I use ones made of Ing Rock, would that help keep the heat in that area but keep building up heat? Or do you mean that you use them so you can get the dirt from sand?

Can you tell me what you typically use dirt temp shifts for?

Sorry.. tempshift plates are one of those things that hurt my brain to think of

[Sasza22]

The grimy status needs some work. It does nothing but has some unfinished elements like dupes repeatetly going to the shower after moping polluted water. Maybe they will add new effects to it and maybe a manual shower for earlygame.

[kovit]

You can lock showers room with timer and allow to leave if someone left inside with wieght plates logic.

[goboking]

On 7/19/2018 at 2:01 PM, WanderingKid said:

Showers are far too time consuming for my blood to worry about that.  A couple of sieve/skimmer setups seem to work just fine for me to not bother with slicksters.

Since Natural Gas Generators were nerfed I don't produce nearly enough CO2 to keep my Carbon Skimmers running.

[Alfons100]

On 7/19/2018 at 9:00 PM, Lilalaunekuh said:

Since the water sieve rework, I take every chance to convert clean into polluted water.

=> I use many dirt temp shift plates

Eh? Water sieve rework?

[Lilalaunekuh]

35 minutes ago, Alfons100 said:

On 19.7.2018 at 9:00 PM, Lilalaunekuh said:

Since the water sieve rework, I take every chance to convert clean into polluted water.

=> I use many dirt temp shift plates

Eh? Water sieve rework?

Ok, it wasn´t a water sieve rework.

Since composts convert pollued dirt into dirt and the water sieve is my main source of renewable polluted dirt, do I want to increase my water sieve usage (and a good way to use some regolith^^)

=> A new way to use the water sieve output made me rethink the concept of the water sieve vs some boiler.

(Feels like the water sieve itself changed ^^)

[Tobruk]

On 19.07.2018 at 9:00 PM, Lilalaunekuh said:

Since the water sieve rework, I take every chance to convert clean into polluted water.

=> I use many dirt temp shift plates

What rework?

[Sevio]

On 7/19/2018 at 9:00 PM, Lilalaunekuh said:

=> I use many dirt temp shift plates

If you're gonna cheap out on mats for tempshift plates, what's wrong with igneous rock? There's enough to cover your entire base in them, as silly as that would be.

[Lilalaunekuh]

20 minutes ago, Sevio said:

On 19.7.2018 at 9:00 PM, Lilalaunekuh said:

=> I use many dirt temp shift plates

If you're gonna cheap out on mats for tempshift plates, what's wrong with igneous rock? There's enough to cover your entire base in them, as silly as that would be.

There are 2 reasons to use tempshift plates:

1. To move heat (Low capacity and high conductivity)

2. To increase the thermal stability of an area (High capacity)

=> Dirt tempshift plates provide the highest thermal capacity

[Sevio]

8 minutes ago, Lilalaunekuh said:

There are 2 reasons to use tempshift plates:

1. To move heat (Low capacity and high conductivity)

2. To increase the thermal stability of an area (High capacity)

=> Dirt tempshift plates provide the highest thermal capacity

I understand that but generally the walls and buildings of a room do a good enough job at that, especially if you start spamming art buildings made of 400 kg granite. In case of a runaway temperature situation, dirt tempshift plates slow down how fast the temperature goes bad but it also takes that much longer (and more energy) to fix the temperature once you have a solution in place.

About the only place I can think of where you might want to buffer heat with more mass is with magma heat so you can reduce how often a steam generator needs to startup/shutdown. For almost everything else temperature related, it just makes everything slower to get to a stable temperature and then there is little value in having all that thermal inertia.

What is the source of your temperature fluctuations that make you want to use dirt tempshift plates to dampen them?

[Lilalaunekuh]

2 minutes ago, Sevio said:

What is the source of your temperature fluctuations that make you want to use dirt tempshift plates to dampen them?

Mostly for my batch based cooling solutions

- Increases the downtime of my systems

- Makes it much easier to reach specific temperatures (No real benefit just some form of optimization^^)

 

(Dirt isn´t really needed to achieve any of the above points but still the best material to use if you want to optimize a bit^^)

[Sevio]

Fair enough, I rarely do batch based projects but I can see how it could be useful there.

[leoroy]

About showers, I am successful in my current base to make the dupes use the showers at bath time. I have 2 different shifts, so 2 different bath time (6 dupes/shift). I had two clock to open the showers when bath time starts and I get 6 dupes to go to washroom, than go to showers. 6 others are working.