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6 hours ago, ozymandias_3 said:

sex is biological , gender is a construct. Jean-Eric can choose to be whoever they please(feel) to be.

While fundamentally true (or at least should have been in a perfect world) - this statement is a bit underwhelming...

Each culture has some expectations and requirements comprising the gender construct. A male is expected to prove he a "true man" same as a female is expected to prove she is a "true woman" and a failure to get this social approval (or a mismatch, or choosing not to "play" this game at all) is socially frowned upon.

I also think, those roots go even deeper, and the "frowning" may, at times, also have an additional personal nature, as the majority of population do tend to try and prove their gender and many have some "inadequate" aspect which they try to change or hide to fit the social convention better.

Personally, I think it's awesome that Klei included non-binary characters in ONI.

They do exist in real-life, after all.  And while "REAL MAN!" and "REAL WOMAN!" (and REAL small furry creature from Alpha Centauri) may be the old-fashioned ideals...this is a modern-day game, and there are no longer only two options.  Actually there's been more than two gender options for a long time, especially in some other cultures (fa'afine, anyone? two-spirit?), but that's a topic for another day... 

(Heck even biological sex isn't completely binary.  Intersex is a thing, and nowadays it's not always being "corrected" at birth--some people go ahead and grow up with non-standard genitalia, and while rare, they do exist.  This doesn't mean full-out hermaphrodites, though--the idea of "person who can make a baby with themself" is mostly fantasy.  It's usually more like only part of one set, or parts of both express themselves but only at puberty, etc.  Whether DUPES have genitals, however, is a question for...fanfic? to answer.  : P)

At any rate, that's probably why they gave Jean an androgynous name.  Pronounce it "Zhahn" and it's a boy's name, "Jeen" and it's a girl.  :)

...Notorious

2 hours ago, CaptainChaotica said:

the idea of "person who can make a baby with themself" is mostly fantasy. 

Actually it's the end point of evolution, as noted in certain lizard species.

Eventually any given DNA based lifeform will result in a asexual, mono-gendered species. Which is sad because that's an end to evolution to, as they basically clone themselves.

Well, I meant more like in humans...but funny you mention lizards:  First thing that came to mind was "Enemy Mine", where the hermaphroditic lizardy alien suddenly announces that they're pregnant.  : P  I'm not sure if the author of that story knew that about some real-life lizards when he wrote that, or not, without looking it up...

...Notorious

1 hour ago, Yunru said:

Actually it's the end point of evolution, as noted in certain lizard species.

Eventually any given DNA based lifeform will result in a asexual, mono-gendered species. Which is sad because that's an end to evolution to, as they basically clone themselves.

But...dupes are clones...and the printing pod creates them.

Also, I'd like to point out that I'm fairly sure that Dupes have no defining genitalia. So each and every Dupe can be whatever the Hell (Michigan) they want to be!

Spoiler

They shower with their clothes on, and I take that as their clothes ARE their skin.

They don't produce solid waste...so I take that the Dupes just have...holes. Or maybe they excrete waste from large pores. I dunno, I haven't checked under the hood to find out, and I don't want to find out...because that's creepy and a violation of these Dupes' privacy dammit!

 

58 minutes ago, watermelen671 said:
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They shower with their clothes on, and I take that as their clothes ARE their skin.

They don't produce solid waste...so I take that the Dupes just have...holes. Or maybe they excrete waste from large pores. I dunno, I haven't checked under the hood to find out, and I don't want to find out...because that's creepy and a violation of these Dupes' privacy dammit!

 

lol ^^

3 hours ago, watermelen671 said:

 

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They shower with their clothes on, and I take that as their clothes ARE their skin.

They don't produce solid waste...so I take that the Dupes just have...holes. Or maybe they excrete waste from large pores. I dunno, I haven't checked under the hood to find out, and I don't want to find out...because that's creepy and a violation of these Dupes' privacy dammit!

 

Perhaps they have a cloaca?

12 minutes ago, Bluckles said:

Here's what confuses me then. If by Klei and this forum post's opinion says that gender is societal and sex is scientific, then why would a game centered around science focus on labelling a dupe's gender and not sex? It seems like arbitrary information.

Did you NOT read what I said? :wilson_ecstatic:

It's because they don't even have genitals!

29 minutes ago, watermelen671 said:

Did you NOT read what I said? :wilson_ecstatic:

It's because they don't even have genitals!

So.. it's personality. 

In fact, this whole new age argument about gender seems to be about semantics and redefining gender to mean personality...

37 minutes ago, Bluckles said:

So.. it's personality. 

In fact, this whole new age argument about gender seems to be about semantics and redefining gender to mean personality...

That's not what that even means...

Personality refers to individual differences in characteristic patterns of thinking, feeling and behaving.

Gender refers to the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

Spoiler

It's an identity, and your personality doesn't really make your identity. 

I think what we're referring to as "gender", we mean "gender identity"; a person's perception of having a particular gender, which may or may not correspond with their birth sex.

2 minutes ago, Oozinator said:

Are you sure?

Well do YOU see any outlines on their skin? Yes I'm saying skin because on their own, what we think is "clothing" is actually their skin. :wilson_goodjob:

1 hour ago, Bluckles said:

Here's what confuses me then. If by Klei and this forum post's opinion says that gender is societal and sex is scientific, then why would a game centered around science focus on labelling a dupe's gender and not sex? It seems like arbitrary information.

For future romance update?

Using 3 Gender and to be named  different possible sexual orientations? m-f m-m f-f m-x f-x x-x m-fx f-xm x-mf x-fx x-mx m-fm m-xm f-xm.... and i lost track

43 minutes ago, watermelen671 said:
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It's an identity, and your personality doesn't really make your identity. 

I think what we're referring to as "gender", we mean "gender identity"; a person's perception of having a particular gender, which may or may not correspond with their birth sex.

Well do YOU see any outlines on their skin? Yes I'm saying skin because on their own, what we think is "clothing" is actually their skin. :wilson_goodjob:

Mhh sounds not really logic to me, because of suits..

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