Technoincubus Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I am somewhat confused when renaming dupes at the start. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangrove Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 My guess is female, looking at her long eyelashes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-999818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuQuasar Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I think Klei may have included a few non-binary dupes, or at least left their gender deliberately obscure so that the fans could decide for themselves. Which is cool of them. Devon is probably the strongest example, given that their description uses "they" as a third person pronoun. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-999823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangrove Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I thought they used "they" cause they're talking about the duplicants in plural. "Meeps are like this, Burts are like that" Edit: Nevermind, I looked at Devon and it seems like they're deliberately ambiguous on him/her Edit 2: Found another example; Turner is also first called "This Turner" and is then called "they" instead of him/her Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-999825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
g5457s Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Definitely female. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-999827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 The thing is that "Dupe" is short for "Duplicant". You have to keep in mind the setting of the game. These are some sort of survival simulation being conducted by other beings. That's why most of the Dupe descriptions are pluralized with "they". It's not just a single Dupe that is being referred to, but a potentially limitless number of copies of that Dupe base print. This is reinforced by the Turner example. The description is calling out that specific Turner, out of all the Turners in all the parallel simulations being conducted. I would also throw out the thought that, as manufactured Dupes, they may not have a gender at all. They are likely androgynous. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-999848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangrove Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Yeah, they call out a specific Turner, and then call him "they" instead of "him": "This Turner is paralyzed by the knowledge that others have memories of them they can't control" But with for example Harold (and most of the other examples of "this dupe") it's "This Harold is cripplingly self-conscious of his long middle toes" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-999858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technoincubus Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 So there's no consensus or in-game files that could help? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1000260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 nope Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1000263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenalec Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Since dupes are printed rather than born, I would assume any gender identity they carry is a throwback to the human DNA stock that the Dupe-printer was (presumably, since the dupes are very humanoid) based on. So, the dupe can be whatever gender it (or you) wants. Just don't pronounce 'Ari' as 'Harry' with a missing 'H' (I learned about ONI from a Biffa playthrough video and while I enjoy Biffa's work, that drives me nuts! ) (Having said all that, as Mangrove mentioned above, the eyelashes are the tell if that sort of thing really matters to you - as a baby I apparently had adorable eyes that were "wasted on a boy", so YMMV, of course!) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1000303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queron81 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 On 5.2.2018 at 8:03 AM, g5457s said: Definitely female. Maybe they are both boys, both girls, both intersexual, or whatever, because they could be hetero-, homo-, bi- or pansexual. I don't care about the sex of my dupes, I see them as personalities. So everybody can see them as what he/she wants. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1000400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGCat Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Maybe a Shemale ? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1000417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolthulhu Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Dupes don't have any visible secondary sexual characteristics (except male pattern baldness that makes Stinky and Harold look seriously ill) so they may as well lack the primary ones. The only use for the "bits" they actually have is waste disposal. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1000500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulV Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 If you can't tell, then why does it matter when renaming? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1000768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technoincubus Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 Because I don't believe in 9281724056 genders and identifying as attack helicopters Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1000976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberry Shake Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, Technoincubus said: Because I don't believe in 9281724056 genders and identifying as attack helicopters There's only 2 biological genders, 3 mental ones, and quite a few sub-genders. Also, I like to judge using eyelashes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1000979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 terpitudinous idiosyncracies not withstanding, genetic men tend to have longer eyelashes statistically Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1000986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulV Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Technoincubus said: Because I don't believe in 9281724056 genders and identifying as attack helicopters That didn't answer my question at all. Even if you assume there's only two genders, you can just pick whatever since you can't tell the difference anyway. So why do you need someone to tell you what gender they are, rather than you just picking one for them? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1001093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queron81 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 8 hours ago, Technoincubus said: Because I don't believe in 9281724056 genders and identifying as attack helicopters Duplicants aren't humans, maybe they don't have any gender, as they get printed and don't need to have sex. 8 hours ago, Raspberry Milk said: There's only 2 biological genders, 3 mental ones, and quite a few sub-genders. Also, I like to judge using eyelashes. How about intersexuals? And there are much more than 3 mental genders, as every human is different. And I tell you a secret: men haven't less eyelashes than women Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1001113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangrove Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 It's like the first rule of cartoons. When there's no other way to show it's female, you either add eyelashes or a big pink bow on top of the head. The dupes probably looked too cute with the pink bows so they must have settled on eyelashes instead Edit: On male eyelashes: at least where I live, it's fashionable among women to have their eyelashes stand out more with makeup or even fake ones added on top. This was probably the current fashion when these animation/cartoon rules came about as well and it has become associated with women Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1001119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos0720 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 That moment when you realize the next update needs to come because people have waaay to much time on their hands to be discussing the sex of printed entities. (please don't hate just a bite of satire) My opinion is this.... when you print out stuff from your computer do you identify the printed material with genders? It's just printed material. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1001126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberry Shake Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Queron81 said: Duplicants aren't humans, maybe they don't have any gender, as they get printed and don't need to have sex. How about intersexuals? And there are much more than 3 mental genders, as every human is different. And I tell you a secret: men haven't less eyelashes than women I'm trying to make the amount of genders simple so it dosen't sound overwhelming, and some woman like to put emphasis on there eyelashes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1001158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuQuasar Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 16 hours ago, Technoincubus said: Because I don't believe in 9281724056 genders and identifying as attack helicopters Well that escalated quickly. I'm going to try and resist the urge to get involved in this mess. Instead, I will posit that dupes, like bread, have only two genders: whitebread and wholemeal. It is vitally important to my mental health that I can tell for certain at a glance which bread every duplicant has under their clothes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1001269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 8 hours ago, Queron81 said: And there are much more than 3 mental genders, as every human is different *cringing intensifies* Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1001285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technoincubus Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 I just want to know if the game have any gender specifications in the files. Tynan Sylvertr, creator of RimWorld or Paradox Interactive store ALL info in files. Crusader Kings 2 track huge number of hidden character parameters as well. I am not asking anyone to accept my view, just asking about ne parameter Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87155-grossman-dupe-is-a-male-or-female/#findComment-1001456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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