Rhymes With Play! Dev Cast Ep. 83 - Don't Starve Together: MAXWELL

[oCrapaCreeper]

2 hours ago, WorstNightmare said:

At long last the cast will be complete, this will be exciting.

except for the shipwrecked characters

But most of them are pretty bad anyway.

[228]

I really wish they buff maxwell to have at least 100 max hp, because otherwise he would be basically walking meat even with his night armor equipped.

[oCrapaCreeper]

58 minutes ago, 228 said:

I really wish they buff maxwell to have at least 100 max hp, because he would be basically walking meat even with his night armor equipped.

He won't even have night armor in DST according the the code.

[RayramAB]

On 4/13/2016 at 1:57 PM, Erec said:

I hope Maxwell release poster will show him being chased down by all angry looking characters with pitchforks and torches.

Well now I wish we could hold pitchforks in game pointing upwards instead of downwards. Maybe add an angry mob pitchfork as a skin?

[NotStarvnMarvn]

"EEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEeeeeeeeEeeEEEeeeeEEEEE" -Wolfgang

[acemurdock]

On 4/13/2016 at 11:57 PM, Erec said:

I hope Maxwell release poster will show him being chased down by all angry looking characters with pitchforks and torches.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

also ye also hoping for lore update :V 

[gonz008]

Just watched the new Stream, Am I the only one who thinks that Maxwell being able to read Wickerbottoms books is a little too OP? Like the only use for Wickerbottom in a game would be to poop out books, thats it. She could read the books, but why bother when Maxwell has such a passive sanity boost and Maxwell can sleep too... so Bye Bye having to worry about sanity issues when reading books. What do you guys think?

[GiddyGuy]

12 minutes ago, gonz008 said:

Just watched the new Stream, Am I the only one who thinks that Maxwell being able to read Wickerbottoms books is a little too OP? Like the only use for Wickerbottom in a game would be to poop out books, thats it. She could read the books, but why bother when Maxwell has such a passive sanity boost and Maxwell can sleep too... so Bye Bye having to worry about sanity issues when reading books. What do you guys think?

The books still have a durability thus Wickerbottom needs to be around to create the books so Maxwell can read the "boring" and "dull" literature

Also Wickerbottom is more durabull, and has more sanity and can just get cacti to refuel her larger sanity pool.

Edit:Or green mushrooms.

[gonz008]

1 hour ago, GiddyGuy said:

The books still have a durability thus Wickerbottom needs to be around to create the books so Maxwell can read the "boring" and "dull" literature

Also Wickerbottom is more durabull, and has more sanity and can just get cacti to refuel her larger sanity pool.

Edit:Or green mushrooms.

You could argue that Wickerbottom is more durable, considering she does have twice the health, and 50 more sanity, but:

• Maxwell can have multiple shadows (i think the max is 4), making him just as good of a fighter as any player without a damage boost (wigfrid and Woflgang) as long as maxwell lets his puppets do all the damage/tanking.
• He can easily collect multiple resources at the same time, No other character can do this.
• Sleeping is a way more efficient way to obtain sanity as its unlimited, restores health, This combined with the sanity boost for being dapper eliminates the sanity issues.

The only drawback to playing Waxwell:

• is that he has low HP

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Wickerbottom Specific Perks:

• Walking Science Machine
• Only one that Can Read and make Books
• High sanity

Wickerbottom Cons:

• No sleeping (health/sanity are harder to manage)
• Can't eat spoiled foods

Having Wickerbottom being the only one able to read books made it unexploitable and created a specific niche fulfilled by her abilityof reading the books, but by having Maxwell being able to read books, it pretty much eliminates the whole "only character to be able to read books". In my opinion. It would be like taking Wigfrid passive (lifesteal) and applying it to Wolfgang because "he hits hard too". Then you could just say "shes still useful, she can make the spears and helmets".

just putting my two cents in
 

[Serph]

Maxwell reading Wicker's books sounds more like a "mechanic game code thing" than an actual design choice.

I wonder if Wicker is also capable of reading the Codex Umbra, so that's why Klei changed it to work like a crafting station...

[ConfusedCourier]

5 minutes ago, Serph said:

Maxwell reading Wicker's books sounds more like a "mechanic game code thing" than an actual design choice.

I wonder if Wicker is also capable of reading the Codex Umbra, so that's why Klei changed it to work like a crafting station...

Nope. They said during the stream it was intentional. 

[GiddyGuy]

32 minutes ago, gonz008 said:

Can't eat spoiled foods

Who eats spoiled food anyway?...Wait I think Peter eats spoiled red caps.  

[Serph]

Just now, ConfusedCourier said:

Nope. They said during the stream it was intentional. 

Did they say why? Depending on the reason, Wicker should technically be capable of reading the Codex too.

[gonz008]

1 hour ago, Serph said:

Did they say why? Depending on the reason, Wicker should technically be capable of reading the Codex too.

As far as I remember I don't recall them saying why. Should I go ahead and move my post to the suggestion/feedback forum?

[Serph]

5 minutes ago, gonz008 said:

As far as I remember I don't recall them saying why. Should I go ahead and move my post to the suggestion/feedback forum?

That's your choice.

I'm against Maxwell reading Wicker books. It might not directly nerf her since she is the only one that can craft them but it makes her feel less unique.

[gonz008]

1 hour ago, Serph said:

That's your choice.

I'm against Maxwell reading Wicker books. It might not directly nerf her since she is the only one that can craft them but it makes her feel less unique.

Agree I guess that's probably why I feel so strongly against it. I'll go ahead and post it there, I think the Devs might see it better there. 

[JohaneBrote]

21 minutes ago, Serph said:

That's your choice.

I'm against Maxwell reading Wicker books. It might not directly nerf her since she is the only one that can craft them but it makes her feel less unique.

He can only read her books if she agrees to hand one over to him. Making him unable to read them would just unnecessarily restrict co-op players, not to mention it would make little sense lore-wise. I mean the dude created the whole world they're trapped in and is able to summon demonic apparitions  from thin air, why wouldn't he be able to read a book about poop?

[Bahlsen]

I'd like to see more uniqueness but when we'll see Maxwell wearing a Wigfrid's helmet, holding a Willow's lighter and reading Wickerbottom's books, I think we'll resign.

 

I wonder if it would be a good idea to make him unable to read Birds of the world and Applied horticulture, like he's only a black mage. "Do I look like a farmer?" is one of his quotes.

[GiddyGuy]

4 minutes ago, Bahlsen said:

"Do I look like a farmer?" is one of his quotes.

He looks like a rich farmer.  

[gonz008]

1 hour ago, JohaneBrote said:

He can only read her books if she agrees to hand one over to him. Making him unable to read them would just unnecessarily restrict co-op players, not to mention it would make little sense lore-wise. I mean the dude created the whole world they're trapped in and is able to summon demonic apparitions  from thin air, why wouldn't he be able to read a book about poop?

At that point, why not let Wilson be able to read books since he's a scientist? Lore-wise it makes more sense for him not to be able to read it since, Wickerbottom is known to be the most literate character in the DS. Universe. For all we know the books are in a different language or are an Old English that only she Can understand.  I think Waxwell should be able to read the books, but not interpret the books to conjure things like Wickerbottom (tentacles, Make **** grow fast). So far Co-op has been fine without letting everyone being able to read the books.

 

1 hour ago, Bahlsen said:

I'd like to see more uniqueness but when we'll see Maxwell wearing a Wigfrid's helmet, holding a Willow's lighter and reading Wickerbottom's books, I think we'll resign.

 

I wonder if it would be a good idea to make him unable to read Birds of the world and Applied horticulture, like he's only a black mage. "Do I look like a farmer?" is one of his quotes.

I mean, Maxwell can carry Wigfrids helmet, and hold Willows lighter and Carry Wickerbottoms book, but that doesn't mean he should be able to cook with Willow's lighter, or Have a decreased damage % because he's wearing the helmet (not damage taken cause its still armor) or be able to blow balloons...

[Serph]

5 minutes ago, JohaneBrote said:

He can only read her books if she agrees to hand one over to him. Making him unable to read them would just unnecessarily restrict co-op players, not to mention it would make little sense lore-wise. I mean the dude created the whole world they're trapped in and is able to summon demonic apparitions  from thin air, why wouldn't he be able to read a book about poop?

Pvp servers exist, a Maxwell using STS against a Wicker would be hilarious but very, veeeery wrong. It wouldn't "restrict" anything because nobody expected him to read her books anyway. By reverse logic, Wicker not being able to read the codex is also " unnecessarily restricting"?

Maxwell didn't create the whole world, the shadow creatures did and his quotes imply it was always there, with some things that not even he can explain about. If Maxwell is so allmighty why can't he craft her books? He can't even craft the Codex by himself and only does in DST for balance reasons.

Wicker quotes imply that she knows even more than Maxwell about the world. Her books are stuff like necronomicon and lovecraftian manuscripts (End is nigh references a Cthulhu chant), books that make normal people insane just to look at, yet she somehow not only reads them with some strain but also writes them, her brain is clearly above mortal humans.

Lore wise, i can accept that Maxwell would be mentally capable of reading the books (he is not human anymore and survived the shadows, he could handle it) but they're still things that he has no external knowledge about or knows how to use (It's probably not even in english anyway). It's like Willow lighter cooking, it would make sense for other characters to do it but it would only makes her less unique. Maxwell already has his own big set of exclusive perks, he doesn't need one more.

[oCrapaCreeper]

6 hours ago, Serph said:

Maxwell didn't create the whole world, the shadow creatures did and his quotes imply it was always there, with some things that not even he can explain about. If Maxwell is so allmighty why can't he craft her books? He can't even craft the Codex by himself and only does in DST for balance reasons.

 

"There wasn't much here when I showed up. Just dust. And the Void. And Them. I've learned so much since then. I've built so much." -Maxwell

The things Maxwell can't explain is the stuff underground, notably the ruins where the shadow creatures live. That's the stuff that was already there, ruined after the civilization destroyed themselves with nightmare fuel. Maxwell just built his own world on top of it all when he became Puppet Master and essentially built his own "stage". The only exceptions to this I can think of are the merms, which he could have simply moved somewhere else. Some inconsistent writing on Kevin's part.

As for crafting the codex, he never made the Codex to begin with. He found it after a train accident, it's a relic. It's what had all the original magic Maxwell learned and evidently was the cause of all the events in the game. 

7 hours ago, gonz008 said:

At that point, why not let Wilson be able to read books since he's a scientist? Lore-wise it makes more sense for him not to be able to read it since, Wickerbottom is known to be the most literate character in the DS. Universe. For all we know the books are in a different language or are an Old English that only she Can understand.  I think Waxwell should be able to read the books, but not interpret the books to conjure things like Wickerbottom (tentacles, Make **** grow fast). So far Co-op has been fine without letting everyone being able to read the books.

 

Wilson is a scientist though, not a magician in forbidden dark magic mortals aren't supposed to know, he wouldn't know about that stuff, he doesn't even appear to know what he's doing when he examines the shadow manipulator.  Maxwell gave him the knowledge to build a portal to trap himself and that was about it. Even in-game, science and magic are shown as separate things.

On that note, Wickerbottom also wouldn't know how to use those books if she was like any other character and was some average librarian. Either there's something hidden away in her backstory or she's just that smart.

It was likely Maxwell invented most of the magic items in the game, or at last they were already invented by the Shadow Creatures/Ancients, the blueprints of which were in the Codex. He's knowledgeable about most of the magic items in the game (ex. "It channels the darkest energies of the universe", "It speaks with the shadow", etc).

Outside of game balance I'm sure Maxwell would be able to make those books, considering the caliber of magic he was probably exposed to during the 20 or so years he was trapped.

[DwerBomb]

I don't get how Max reading Wickerbottom's book is a bad thing. It gives you the possibility of a co-op style where Wick builds the book and Max reads them for her.

gasp

Maxbottom/Wickerwell confirmed 

[Serph]

11 hours ago, oCrapaCreeper said:

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I see, thanks for explaining.

Maxwell and Player Maxwell are still very different beings, while the first had godlike control over the world, the second is more fragile than Wes. Considering DST is canon and now he is stuck there with everyone, i assume he lost most of his powers and for all intents and purposes is just another mortal human (maybe i'm wrong, we need to wait for the lore...)

[JohaneBrote]

Now that I think about it, according to the lore Maxwell wouldn't be able to read Wickerbottom's books because he's dead by the end of DS.

 

.... or is he? We desperately need some explanations here, my head hurts from all the intrigue