Capybara007 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Was gonna post on beta branch but here is more fitting Over the last weeks ive seen a lot of people say, in regards to the items added in recent updates, klei has always kept the idea of always making all weapons and armors viable through the whole game rather than just being a straight upgrade This goes against the classic design of getting better gear the later you are in the game making the early gear useless later on Whether or not you want a spear to be viable against the final boss of the game or have one lategame weapon overshadow all the ones that come before, this thread is not about that, this thread is about how klei has taken literally the worst option out of the 2, it does not benefit either idea With the planar damage mechanics they made it so the lategame enemies (which theyve said there will be more) are a pain to fight unless you are using planar dmg weapons, but at the same time these weapons dont bring anything new to the combat because they deal the same phisical damage to normal mobs, i beated dfly using helmets and hambats and then i did it again using brightshade gear, nothing changed, same damage even So basically you dont get the fun of sticking to your early game gear through the game but you also dont get the fun of easily overcoming your previous threats? This is why i think planar damage is a mistake, yes you caught me, another planar dmg bad thread I dont understand why they cant just let the weapons do over 68 damage "they dont want to give too much power to the players, dont starve is meant to make the player feel weak" wolfgang spicy jelly Their most recent beta is amazing and its the best way to me they can approach character rebalancing, but please do something about planar mechanics, it is not fun Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardyn Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 In the boss battles of ANR, players need to use basic equipment (hambat, night sword, wood armor)+additional equipment (Pan Flute, Ice Staff, Nightmare Amulet, Weather Paint). Players can freely combine their equipment during battles and use the characteristics of these equipment to achieve unexpected effects. However, when the planar damage appears, players basically have to give up rich old equipment and switch to using the planet series equipment. This may not necessarily be a good change, for example, I really enjoy using bramble husks for battles, but bramble husks cannot block planar damage. Perhaps a method should be provided to allow old armor to receive planar defense, such as some potion sprinkled on the armor to receive planar defense. Perhaps there should also be a way to obtain planar damage with old weapons? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1652333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capybara007 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Ardyn said: wouldnt it be easier to just remove planar dmg and defense Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1652395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theukon-dos Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 I think another problem with Planar mechanics that don't get talked about a lot is just how many weapons and armors are made all the worse because of them. It's easy to focus on Dark Swords and football helmets when talking about Planar Mechanics simply becuase it's easy to see that's what the main target of planar mechanics where; best seen in the fact that Brightshade equipment was a near carbon-copy of Dark Swords/football helmets/log suits on first release, just with some minor tweaks and obviously planar damage/defense. But Don't Starve Together has a lot of weapons and armor, all of which rendered useless in the fact of Planar. Hambat, Shield of Terror, Morning Star, Glass Cutter, Thulecite Club, Strident Trident, Snurtle Shell, Night Armor, Marble Armor, Thulecite Suit, Bramble Husk, Thulecite Crown, Eye mask, Cookie Cutter cap, and more that I failed to mention for one reason or another. All of these are options the player has. Admitedly they're not all created equal; there's a reason Dark Swords and Football helmets became ubiquitous after all. But the options are there. But any value these items have are completely lost in the face of Planar Damage. If you're fighting planar enemies, then your options are either... Brightshade armor and weapons, or the Void armor and reaper. I guess the Brightshade side has the bombs which are neat. And the staff, which Klei seems avid in trying to make it the single most boring wizard staff ever. But options are still severely limited compared to what we have before rifts. It's not a new meta, it's the same meta, just way more restrictive and with a lot more particle effects. I wonder if the problem is that Klei's trying to add an "End Game" at all. See, I always considered DST's "End game" to be anything past the first winter or spring. By that point an experienced player should have a base set up, along with a steady source of food, weapons, healing, and anything else they'd really need. At this point the world is their oyster, and are able to do anything they'd really want to with the equipment they have at hand. But apparently that's just the mid-game now? And the REAL end game doesn't start until you beat what many players have considered to be the "final boss(es)" for years at this point? This just feels like reinventing the weel. Except the wheel's also made out of metal or something. And then they also invented roads that pop wheels made of rubber, so you'd be forced to buy and use their new wheels despite being functionally identical to the old wheels. And where was I going with this again? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1652414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cropo Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Theukon-dos said: . At this point the world is their oyster, and are able to do anything they'd really want to with the equipment they have at hand. A big thing survival fans are ignoring is that a big appeal of survival games is not just the survival part, that's only the beginning. You need to not just survive, but thrive. I like the idea of being able to apply shadow or lunar dust to weapons to give them a planar damage bonus, hopefully a new update gives us that. Maybe limit certain weapons like the dark sword and thulecite club and glass cutters which are obviously pre-aligned Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1652416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Theukon-dos said: Hambat, Shield of Terror, Morning Star, Glass Cutter, Thulecite Club, Strident Trident, Snurtle Shell, Night Armor, Marble Armor, Thulecite Suit, Bramble Husk, Thulecite Crown, Eye mask, Cookie Cutter cap, and more that I failed to mention for one reason or another. Personally, I'd like to see the use of featured items against specific mob take a larger share of the battle, such as weather pain against large group mobs and trap against small mob, while the uninteresting math of damage numbers should take a smaller share in higher level battle. Compared to them, the difference between the BS sword, the Dark sword, and the Spear is so small that can be ignored because in most case you actually just use them do the same thing. So it doesn't matter how the spear and the dark sword hold their value, like how moonglass axe beats a regular axe, it doesn't make much difference. I used to be a big fan of planar mechanics because I think it can keeps these featured items effective in Pre-Rift mob combat, while making the damage multiply less effective in Post-Rift mob combat. Things like fire and ice were not worser in the slightest. But with subsequent updates, they just seem to have replaced the old damage modifiers with new damage modifiers and made the parts of combat I liked more marginal. In planar entity combat increasing damage is still the most effective stra, more effective and important ever before. So yes, Planar dmg is a mistake. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1652441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranoze Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 12 hours ago, Capybara007 said: the lategame enemies (which theyve said there will be more) I have said this before and i will say it again, ink shadow, fused shadelling, and bright shades are not "late game enemies" They all have 800~1200 hp, which is just equivalent to beefalo. They are not Ancient fuel weaver or celestial champion themself, even though they come after these 2 bosses, doesnt mean they are any harder and should bring out better gears. Killing 3 brightshade is equivalent to killing a treeguard, therefor it drop is just equivalent to dark sword, which it is. Killing 3 ink shadow is the same. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1652568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardyn Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 11 hours ago, Capybara007 said: wouldnt it be easier to just remove planar dmg and defense Klei wouldn't do this, I guess. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1652589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capybara007 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 its so much fun to just destroy the enemies that previously caused you trouble, like when i get a plantera or golem weapon in terraria so i can desintegrate the destroyer or any other mech something that klei doesnt want to because of this "inmersion" bs that doesnt make sense at all, i know theyve never said this is the reason on why they cant just bump up the numbers on void or brightshade weapons but its literally the only logical reason i can think of i wish they just communicated what was the reasoning on planar mechanics, to nerf characters with high damage? then why do those characters like wolfgang now get buffs to compensate? this planar damage stuff makes it so you dont have the fun of using different weapons against the new enemies but also dont get the fun of destroying early game threats with your lategame gear Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1652606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W0l0l0 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Capybara007 said: this planar damage stuff makes it so you dont have the fun of using different weapons against the new enemies but also dont get the fun of destroying early game threats with your lategame gear Agreed. From what I see the whole planar thing seems a lil confusing and unnecessary. With that being said though, I have faith in Klei. I think we all should. They care about the game and it wouldn't be as good as it is if they didn't take the occasional risk. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1652691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capybara007 Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, W0l0l0 said: Agreed. From what I see the whole planar thing seems a lil confusing and unnecessary. With that being said though, I have faith in Klei. I think we all should. They care about the game and it wouldn't be as good as it is if they didn't take the occasional risk. Problem is "it will get better with the time" was also applied to the ocean, and it took them over 2 years to add relevant content and its still kinda barebones Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1652696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W0l0l0 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Capybara007 said: Problem is "it will get better with the time" was also applied to the ocean, and it took them over 2 years to add relevant content and its still kinda barebones Reworks took even longer but they came. We'll just have to see I'm afraid. Maybe it's not so bad for me because I don't get to spend too much time in the end game, but aside from Crab King I don't find it harmful. We do have a complete game with all this extra content for free, after all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1652807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 1:03 PM, W0l0l0 said: Agreed. From what I see the whole planar thing seems a lil confusing and unnecessary. With that being said though, I have faith in Klei. I think we all should. They care about the game and it wouldn't be as good as it is if they didn't take the occasional risk. On 7/21/2023 at 6:08 PM, W0l0l0 said: Reworks took even longer but they came. We'll just have to see I'm afraid. Maybe it's not so bad for me because I don't get to spend too much time in the end game, but aside from Crab King I don't find it harmful. We do have a complete game with all this extra content for free, after all. Have faith in the faceless corporation that doesn't care about you because they give you free updates riddled with microtransactions to try to support the game indefinitely just like most other companies because it's much easier than making entirely new games Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1653359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrocator Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 11 hours ago, Cheggf said: Have faith in the faceless corporation that doesn't care about you because they give you free updates riddled with microtransactions to try to support the game indefinitely just like most other companies because it's much easier than making entirely new games Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1653519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 3:14 AM, Cheggf said: riddled with microtransactions to try to support the game Be happy that we don't have stupid battle passes yet Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1653807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W0l0l0 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 2:14 AM, Cheggf said: Have faith in the faceless corporation that doesn't care about you because they give you free updates riddled with microtransactions to try to support the game indefinitely just like most other companies because it's much easier than making entirely new games I know right? It's not like Klei have announced any new games this year, or that all the content in Don't Starve Together is free to access. The fact Klei probably doesn't even give an additional free copy of the game to each purchaser is just the worst amirite. Klei clearly should do everything we say because we sit on the Forums all day complaining and they owe us! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1653867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 19 minutes ago, W0l0l0 said: I know right? It's not like Klei have announced any new games this year, or that all the content in Don't Starve Together is free to access. The fact Klei probably doesn't even give an additional free copy of the game to each purchaser is just the worst amirite. Klei clearly should do everything we say because we sit on the Forums all day complaining and they owe us! free to access, huh Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1653872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Cheggf said: free to access, huh * Shows skin packs * updates are still free you know the rifts the ocean the reworks Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1653875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Cheggf said: free to access, huh Ah yes skins that you are able to get free in game Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1653910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenship2 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 7 hours ago, Cheggf said: free to access, huh omg i didnt know the item cosmetics were actually necessary to play the game!! klei is such an evil company for this, they could at least add a way to get one of the skins randomly every day instead of forcing us to pay 354 dollars to play the game :c Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1653981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 10 hours ago, Cheggf said: free to access, huh Nothing in this screenshot can be bought to provide an advantage over other players. This also applies to characters, those of which you can obtain for free, as I have done in the past. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1654022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copyafriend Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 20 minutes ago, -Variant said: Nothing in this screenshot can be bought to provide an advantage over other players. This also applies to characters, those of which you can obtain for free, as I have done in the past. Well that isnt completely true... there ARE DLC characters, and while you can theoretically get them for free, it is a much longer than reasonable process. You may have got them for free, but the average player wont ever. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1654027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 36 minutes ago, Copyafriend said: You may have got them for free, but the average player wont ever. Klei gives out so many of those klei points, they can turn those in for spools for characters. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1654036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 hours ago, lenship2 said: omg i didnt know the item cosmetics were actually necessary to play the game!! klei is such an evil company for this, they could at least add a way to get one of the skins randomly every day instead of forcing us to pay 354 dollars to play the game :c So you're telling me that Klei is scamming innocent buyers who don't know better into spending $400 for no reason on worthless things you can get for free? That's even worse than I thought. I had just thought that they were like every other gaming company out there, I had no idea they were outright evil! Thank you for bringing this to my attention. 1 hour ago, -Variant said: Nothing in this screenshot can be bought to provide an advantage over other players. This also applies to characters, those of which you can obtain for free, as I have done in the past. Moving the goalposts is gamers' go-to move when they realize they're wrong. Nobody said anything about advantages (even though the DLC characters do have them). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1654037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Copyafriend said: Well that isnt completely true... there ARE DLC characters, and while you can theoretically get them for free, it is a much longer than reasonable process. 1 hour ago, Cheggf said: Moving the goalposts is gamers' go-to move when they realize they're wrong. Nobody said anything about advantages (even though the DLC characters do have them). Quote free to access, huh You could fault me for assuming things but I'll confess that in the usual general context when mentioning 'accessibility' and DLC/paid-for content you're safe to assume the topic in question is about advantages granted by said content. I am unsure why it'd be brought up otherwise. I'll chalk that up to a lack of context. Anyhow still, you can access everything in the game entirely for free. A good majority of my friends have all they've ever wanted without spending a dime extra. It's not theoretically possible to get all you'd want, it is! I among my friends are proof of it. Klei has been very generous with the system. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/149665-planar-dmg-changes-the-idea-of-relevant-at-all-times-with-fighting-gear/#findComment-1654052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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