You only like Winter exclusively for MacTusk drop

[Mike23Ua]

9 minutes ago, KeshS said:

Whether to deal or not deal with that stuff is quite obvious the latter if you don't get any reward from it. That's an unrelated to the topic anyway.

You can turn off winter completely, and you would still get ice in spring.

 

To the people that answered "winter is immersive with nice sounds", and "Klaus is a cool boss". Question, if Muctusk migrated to a different season (they still can't spawn in starting season), your opinion on winter gameplay would stay the same?

 

My worst nemesis in the entire franchise is MacTusk, I hated them in solo DS, I hate them in DST, and maybe that’s because ranged weapons suck.. idk all that I do know is it’s unfair to be sniper shot by them, use to you could stun them in place as they tried to retreat back home, but now you can’t even do that anymore.

Mactusks drops can be obtained from Sunken Chests, and a lot earlier then waiting for winter to arrive too (assuming you get lucky with chests of course) 

I would love winter MORE Without MacTusks.. these things are my Nemesis.. I would rather attempt to fight all the games bosses then to deal with these annoying Walrus.

[Nicolas Liu]

2 hours ago, Dragonboooorn said:

You can always use umbrella combined with football helmet, or a straw hat for that matter.

Eyebrella is just a nice alternative protection from rain/heat, you can always make your way through seasons without ever using it.

You kill bosses, craft expensive things, do some other activities － you get rewarded, I dont see a problem with that. 

Do not forget rain hat. It is also easy to craft. 70% wetness resistance is pretty strong already. Whats more it provides resistance against lightning (which otherwise only raincoat and eyebrella provides).

[Torpzun]

41 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

The “Problem” is that the player who was already suffering with difficulty, gets punished for not being able to overcome their current challenges by having even more challenges piled on top of that one, meanwhile- for the players who can overcome the difficulty, their game suddenly becomes less difficult? 

I’ve been around for a long time.. you beat Green Hill Zone in Sonic the Hedgehog 1 & you eventually come to a point where you have to clear an entire level with no rings, and still defeat a boss.

 DST isn’t structured like that- it’s like if players can’t even get through Green Hill Zone but still end up in that Zone with no Rings and a Boss.

If Deerclops doesn’t kill them, low sanity trying to fight it, running from sanity monsters & freezing to death, or the season that comes after that will.

Ant-Lion only attacks the ground 2 times when it first starts its crater attacks, but if you continue to ignore fighting it, either through lack of knowledge of its existence, or through lack of skill in being able to progress- the game decides let’s up its crater attacks from 2 to 7.

The TL:DR- The game becomes harder over time if you CANT pass the challenge it throws at You, but becomes Easier if you Can???

I am so very deeply confused.

Players get rewarded for completing challenges by getting better stuff than they would've gotten if they didn't complete those challenges. A lot more people would just ignore Deerclops and let her despawn if all she dropped was a Koalafant's worth of meat - she'd still be nice for food delivery, but also, why not just fight a Koalafant?

The Sonic the Hedgehog comparison isn't apt because Sonic the Hog's Hedge is a different game, belonging to a different genre, and follows different design philosophies. Levels and seasons are not the same thing. Seasons are a lot more open-ended, and there is no true way to "win" at a season outside of making it until the next one starts. Beating Deerclops isn't a requirement, she's a bonus. As great as the Eyebrella is, you can still beat the rain in other ways. Sonic can't spend an entire level doing the Midsummer Cawnival instead of gathering rings and fighting a boss or whatever.

29 minutes ago, KeshS said:

To the people that answered "winter is immersive with nice sounds", and "Klaus is a cool boss". Question, if Mactusk migrated to a different season (they still can't spawn in starting season), your opinion on winter gameplay would stay the same?

 

*Me who regularly forgets that MacTusk exists during winter* Yeah sure, Klaus is still cool.

[ALCRD]

9 minutes ago, Nicolas Liu said:

Do not forget rain hat. It is also easy to craft. 70% wetness resistance is pretty strong already. Whats more it provides resistance against lightning (which otherwise only raincoat and eyebrella provides).

Regular Umbrella doesn't protect from lightning?

https://dontstarve.fandom.com/wiki/Umbrella

" the Umbrella will prevent damage caused by Rain and prevent being struck by Lightning."

[Spino43]

49 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

The “Problem” is that the player who was already suffering with difficulty, gets punished for not being able to overcome their current challenges by having even more challenges piled on top of that one, meanwhile- for the players who can overcome the difficulty, their game suddenly becomes less difficult? 

I don't see why this is a problem? This design philosophy is in a ton of games. It's like you see someone spend time and effort defeating a hard boss and get to improve their playing experience dramatically through the drops, and you are incredibly jealous that they get to have that and you don't.

[Yuuko]

39 minutes ago, KeshS said:

To the people that answered "winter is immersive with nice sounds", and "Klaus is a cool boss". Question, if Mactusk migrated to a different season (they still can't spawn in starting season), your opinion on winter gameplay would stay the same?

 

I think for most characters Walrus is important to get a cane, once, and that is it.  If they rushed ruins and got a lazy explorer they might forgo even fighting Walrus in Winter.

tbh I think only Wanda is really dead set on farming walrus beyond getting each player a cane (and maybe a tam if someone wants one, they're alright if you like high sanity.)

So I don't see how someone could say "winter is good b/c walrus."  The eye from deerclops is far more useful being used in 100% wetness + 120 thermal protection.  Farming one of these for each player is much more important.  Beyond getting the one eyebrella each the eye is also used for shootius which can enable some late game setups.

I don't see any reason to disbelieve people when they say either they like Klaus (one of the more interesting and fun bosses to fight in the game) or the ambiance (each season has a unique feel, and winter's is one many enjoy b/c of the snow and many winter themed decos available.)

[Nicolas Liu]

24 minutes ago, ALCRD said:

Regular Umbrella doesn't protect from lightning?

https://dontstarve.fandom.com/wiki/Umbrella

" the Umbrella will prevent damage caused by Rain and prevent being struck by Lightning."

There is a clause before the main clause: “If playing as WX-78”. Plus if you look carefully this only holds true for Don't Starve. For dst, umbrella cannot prevent WX-78 from lightning strike.

[Brago-sama]

You mean this whole time i could have had an umbrella and football helm and gotten overcharged during spring for free? All those wasted years..... cant even use it with rework wx

[DarkPulse91]

Ice breams: "Am I a joke to you?"

[GenomeSquirrel]

4 hours ago, DarkPulse91 said:

Ice breams: "Am I a joke to you?"

Yes

 

4 hours ago, Shosuko said:

 

So I don't see how someone could say "winter is good b/c walrus."  The eye from deerclops is far more useful being used in 100% wetness + 120 thermal protection.  Farming one of these for each player is much more important.  Beyond getting the one eyebrella each the eye is also used for shootius which can enable some late game setups.

only dropping one eye means it usually gave me 0 wetness protection, and I haven’t broken out of the habit of disregarding it

[ALCRD]

8 hours ago, Nicolas Liu said:

There is a clause before the main clause: “If playing as WX-78”. Plus if you look carefully this only holds true for Don't Starve. For dst, umbrella cannot prevent WX-78 from lightning strike.

Look close at what?

The article mentions same thing in both top most header where DST version of the Umbrella's wiki card is on the right and again in solo DS and DLC section where DS version of Umbrella wiki card is on the right. 

So that implies they do protect in both games. If it doesn this needs to be edited.

Also Eyebrella article says same thing that you can't get hit by lightning "as WX" so not sure how this matters.

Except for wiki being a confusing mess on some of the shared DS / DST articles having downright misleading information, being poorly phrased or lacking a lot of information for content that was added years ago.

EDIT:

Which i am noticing more and more after i started playing DS lately and needed to look some stuff up. It pisses me off a bit .. This is why i usually watch Beard's videos instead :<

DS/DST is due for a new wiki too. It still uses fandom instead wiki gg

/rant

[kuroite]

10 hours ago, KeshS said:

To the people that answered "winter is immersive with nice sounds", and "Klaus is a cool boss". Question, if Mactusk migrated to a different season (they still can't spawn in starting season), your opinion on winter gameplay would stay the same?

Klaus and Deerclop are way more interesting than Mactusk's loot and he is not the only way to get a walking cane/speed bonus.

[flamboyant wolf]

18 hours ago, dois raios said:

"You only like Winter exclusively for MacTusk drop"

Actually I like summer, I dont have an explanation, I just like it.

Btw, it is not like I hate winter, it is a good season too, but summer is better.

I love summer cause of the "aesthetics". 

1st: I love the color filter, it's pretty. I especially like how water looks during this season;

2nd: I like the ambience with little stuff floating in the air and all that;

3rd: I love the music. 

17 hours ago, bloopah said:

Spring has the funny frog rain that people in pubs can't handle

as people in pubs, can confirm, I absolutely cannot handle the frogs. 

[Dr. Safety]

I like winter because it provides the best snack in the game.

Mmmmm crunchy eyeball

[Gashzer]

On 5/23/2023 at 2:29 PM, KeshS said:

As title says, otherwise it's a boring season. I am not taking winter events into account, since they happen rarely.

Tbh i already get my lazy explorer from ancient guardian in autumn and i play Walter so tam is pretty useless. 

Klaus has some of the best drops of any boss. Far better than antlion and much more fun.

The long dusk and nights are perfect for using bunnymen to kill bee queen/crab king/dfly. 

We get lots of ice.

Snow looks cool.

Wurt gets ice bream fish for easy summers.

Long dusk/night is great for Wormwood with bramble husks to farm spiders in a spider quarry.

Winter is the most productive season for boss fights and loot collecting.

 

 

[Cr4zyFl4mes]

First off, weird title. You don't need to act like you know me in order to elicit a reaction.

To topic: You are wrong. Lately i actually mostly ignore mctusk drops.

1. I like winter because of added challenge. I always wanted to have freezing mechanic in minecraft. I hope Hytale will have such a mechanic when it comes out.
2. I like it because food spoils slower (and so does my ham bat).

[D_Good_Fellow]

I hilariously assumed the walking cane's speed boost wouldn't be enough to be worth it, so I only recently started taking advantage of MacTusk lol.

I'm actually surprised with how much I enjoy winter. I hate winter in real life and in most games, but Don't Starve manages to make it feel genuinely rewarding and exciting. My playstyle tends towards staying at the base, planning my outings  so that I usually make it back by nightfall even when it's not strictly necessary. I get a lot of fun out of carefully arranging my base, managing storage/inventory, and having a lot of supplies stored up. Winter both challenges and encourages this approach: slower regrowth rates require me to leave to forage more, cold weather slows down spoilage to allow me to store more food at camp, and the balance of "how long can I stay away from base without running out of supplies and freezing?" is pretty fun to work with. 

On 5/23/2023 at 1:52 PM, Ryusuta said:

I consider Deerclops to be a sort of "Rite of Passage" for new players, and her drop is exceptionally useful in preparing for the next two seasons.

Also I know a lot of people on this forum are veteran players, so I feel like it's worth mentioning that Deerclops is an incredibly exciting first boss for newbies. I know "Wes facetanks Deerclops" and all that, but unless you've played and studied the game for a good while that's not intuitive at all. Deerclops is an absolutely wild thing to have thrown at you while learning to play, and I mean that in a good way. If you're unprepared or overconfident, Deerclops will absolutely wreck your entire save file, but if you plan accordingly, Deerclops is an extremely manageable threat even for a new player. I also think the Eyebrella is a very fun reward for an early boss, because spring is definitely survivable without it but it feels so satisfying to not even have to worry about wetness/lightning. This results in a fun cost analysis for newer players when it comes to whether they fight or avoid the Deerclops. Again, I know many more experienced players think of Deerclops as a farmable joke, but as an early game boss it provides an incredible balance of excitement and challenge imo.

 

[Dragonboooorn]

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE STILL GIVE ME POTATO EMOJIS PLEASE STOP

[bloopah]

9 hours ago, Dragonboooorn said:

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE STILL GIVE ME POTATO EMOJIS PLEASE STOP

You are the Potato Cup Man now, my apologies for starting it.

[Mike23Ua]

10 hours ago, D_Good_Fellow said:

I hilariously assumed the walking cane's speed boost wouldn't be enough to be worth it, so I only recently started taking advantage of MacTusk lol.

I'm actually surprised with how much I enjoy winter. I hate winter in real life and in most games, but Don't Starve manages to make it feel genuinely rewarding and exciting. My playstyle tends towards staying at the base, planning my outings  so that I usually make it back by nightfall even when it's not strictly necessary. I get a lot of fun out of carefully arranging my base, managing storage/inventory, and having a lot of supplies stored up. Winter both challenges and encourages this approach: slower regrowth rates require me to leave to forage more, cold weather slows down spoilage to allow me to store more food at camp, and the balance of "how long can I stay away from base without running out of supplies and freezing?" is pretty fun to work with. 

Also I know a lot of people on this forum are veteran players, so I feel like it's worth mentioning that Deerclops is an incredibly exciting first boss for newbies. I know "Wes facetanks Deerclops" and all that, but unless you've played and studied the game for a good while that's not intuitive at all. Deerclops is an absolutely wild thing to have thrown at you while learning to play, and I mean that in a good way. If you're unprepared or overconfident, Deerclops will absolutely wreck your entire save file, but if you plan accordingly, Deerclops is an extremely manageable threat even for a new player. I also think the Eyebrella is a very fun reward for an early boss, because spring is definitely survivable without it but it feels so satisfying to not even have to worry about wetness/lightning. This results in a fun cost analysis for newer players when it comes to whether they fight or avoid the Deerclops. Again, I know many more experienced players think of Deerclops as a farmable joke, but as an early game boss it provides an incredible balance of excitement and challenge imo.

 

Deerclops is only a joke when more than one person is fighting it, Otherwise it’s a pretty fair and fun challenge. That said.. You can literally lure Deerclops into fighting other things for you (including the newer mobs deadly Brightshades) so it’s worth keeping Deerclops around for a bit rather than fighting them immediately.

You can stock pile living logs pretty early into the game if you just let ol Deerclops fight it out with a few tree guardians.

Deerclops & Bearger are both great to make them fight other stuff in the world for you.

And the Eye of Terror is literally a Boss in your Pocket… do with that information what you will.  

[ALCRD]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Deerclops is only a joke when more than one person is fighting it, Otherwise it’s a pretty fair and fun challenge.

I think you got outdated info.

Deerclops is a joke after they changed her stacking ice attack damage and hitbox in one of past patches. You can literally run past her legs a little bit to avoid the ice wave attack now. You could not do that before, you would get hit if you tried that pre this change.

She is easier to kite now than a Treeguard.

[D_Good_Fellow]

27 minutes ago, ALCRD said:

Deerclops is a joke after they changed her stacking ice attack damage and hitbox in one of past patches. You can literally run past her legs a little bit to avoid the ice wave attack now. You could not do that before, you would get hit if you tried that pre this change.

She is easier to kite now than a Treeguard.

I would argue that the vast majority of players still don't know the Deerclop's exact hit box (at least outside of this forum). The insanity aura alone keeps most players from being able to test stuff like that in the heat of a fight, meaning the people that know how to do it have either already logged hundreds of hours in the game or meticulously studied videos of it online. And like, of course those people are going to have an easy time fighting the first boss in the game.

Not sure why they made that change in the patch though. I doesn't seem like Deerclops needed to be easier.

[ALCRD]

25 minutes ago, D_Good_Fellow said:

I would argue that the vast majority of players still don't know the Deerclop's exact hit box (at least outside of this forum). The insanity aura alone keeps most players from being able to test stuff like that in the heat of a fight, meaning the people that know how to do it have either already logged hundreds of hours in the game or meticulously studied videos of it online. And like, of course those people are going to have an easy time fighting the first boss in the game.

Not sure why they made that change in the patch though. I doesn't seem like Deerclops needed to be easier.

Honestly logically some of these players would try running the opposite direction the ice wave attack is coming cause by the animation it looks like it shouldn't hit you if you do that. I know i've tried that when i attempted to kill her for first time and got wrecked cause the AOE covered more area than what was visible from the animation.

And thanks to that change it's now an effective way to dodge it without risk cause the AOE matches where the ice wave is going it can't hit you from behind anymore. Yep just run a bit past her and keep smacking.

Yea not sure why they did it.

She is kind of a big pushover now due to that small change. Bearger is now harder and that's saying a lot.

You can land a lot more hits into her safely which makes the fight less sanity draining in overall cause it will end sooner.

[Yuuko]

2 hours ago, ALCRD said:

Honestly logically some of these players would try running the opposite direction the ice wave attack is coming cause by the animation it looks like it shouldn't hit you if you do that. I know i've tried that when i attempted to kill her for first time and got wrecked cause the AOE covered more area than what was visible from the animation.

And thanks to that change it's now an effective way to dodge it without risk cause the AOE matches where the ice wave is going it can't hit you from behind anymore. Yep just run a bit past her and keep smacking.

Yea not sure why they did it.

She is kind of a big pushover now due to that small change. Bearger is now harder and that's saying a lot.

You can land a lot more hits into her safely which makes the fight less sanity draining in overall cause it will end sooner.

I believe it was changed for exactly the reason you said - the animation makes it look like the attack is directional, and people would try to dodge it that way only to get hit.

I think it was a good change because it gives a more skillful way to play around her.  Just dropping a firepit and tanking, or doing the normal back and forth dodging still work but there is now a more skillful method of dodging behind her.  You get more dps this way but its actually higher risk / more difficult as the timing is tighter than just walking back.  Like if you walk back too early you just skirt the edge of her range until she attacks and you go back in, but if you try to run around her too early she can correct and hit you.

Its not a massive skill check that only the best pro players can hit reliably, and its not supposed to be.  She is one of the first bosses in the game and can be quite terrifying for new players even with this option available.  This is just another route added to her to improve her design.  I've enjoyed her a lot more since this change b/c it gives her a more unique interaction.

[ALCRD]

37 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

I believe it was changed for exactly the reason you said - the animation makes it look like the attack is directional, and people would try to dodge it that way only to get hit.

I think it was a good change because it gives a more skillful way to play around her.  Just dropping a firepit and tanking, or doing the normal back and forth dodging still work but there is now a more skillful method of dodging behind her.  You get more dps this way but its actually higher risk / more difficult as the timing is tighter than just walking back.  Like if you walk back too early you just skirt the edge of her range until she attacks and you go back in, but if you try to run around her too early she can correct and hit you.

Its not a massive skill check that only the best pro players can hit reliably, and its not supposed to be.  She is one of the first bosses in the game and can be quite terrifying for new players even with this option available.  This is just another route added to her to improve her design.  I've enjoyed her a lot more since this change b/c it gives her a more unique interaction.

I am far from pro in fact my kiting borderline sucks and i find the stepping behind Deerclops extremely easy to do reliably and without risk.

I have much better time dodging the new ice wave this way than doing the long walk away method before the change. 

If the intention was to make the boss require more skill to dodge .. then i can safely say it failed miserably and made her into a super easy to kite/dodge pushover.

Kiting Moose Goose a lot more difficult due to her hitbox and erratic attack pattern (where she decided to suddenly pause at random times , double honk instead usual 3 hit honk or just hop foward and then back without attacking at all etc) it puts me on edge trying to effectively dodge her nonsense when trying to fight her with minimal gear.

While Deerclops just takes no strict timing or skill whatsoever to dodge now.