Perk: cooking with torch like willow's ligther

[dibelios]

As wilson learned new ways to use the torch over time, cooking like how willow's lighter works could be included in the skill tree

[Pizza_Hutter]

I don't know, Willow would be much useless if Wilson could cook with his torch just like Willow's Lighter. And if he did, Willow would need another thing to make her Lighter useful.

[Mike23Ua]

Willow has so few perks that if Wilson did get this, she would likely need a whole new rework..

I mean if I’m being brutally honest with Klei about their game- some reworks feel fun, fleshed out and creative: like the developers themselves actually loved and cared about that character and wanted them to be Awesome..

While some others just feel rushed to the point of “Meh let’s just get this over with…” they don’t feel as creative, or unique as others 

Take the Wolfgang rework as an example, sure some people were upset when he lost his movement speed, but NOW I couldn’t possibly imagine Wolfgang without lifting weights and showing off by lifting statues on his Might Gym. 

Walter and Warly already benefit from the quick cook skill, I don’t think Wilson should be able to do it too with his torches.

[-Variant]

Willow is in a pretty awkward spot already, and while I'm obviously biased I'm still kinda sad Willow isn't the only character that can cook with her lighter as is.

Warly and Walter already can, throwing the perk to Wilson will further dilute it in my opinion. 
It'd be fine if she got something in exchange for it, but if he's kept untouched I'd rather not.

[maxwell_winters]

23 minutes ago, -Variant said:

Warly and Walter already can

I can let Warly pass but Walter definitely doesn't need it. Removing this ability would actually benefit Walter by making him more streamlined which he definitely needs.

[dzzydzzy]

 

2 hours ago, maxwell_winters said:

I can let Warly pass but Walter definitely doesn't need it. Removing this ability would actually benefit Walter by making him more streamlined which he definitely needs.

Honestly, I'd prefer Walter kept the skill over Warly. Ever since it  became possible to put raw birchnuts into the crockpot, the ability for Warly to cook on a lighter isn't that useful. Before, his crock pot was portable, so having a portable "campfire" was useful too for all ingredients that needed to be roasted before cooking. But now nothing is required to be roasted. I guess if you're very far from home and really need to stretch out the lifespan of your meat it could help but this skill is way more useful for Willow/Walter. They are able to benefit from eating cooked meats so that they don’t lose sanity, cooked cactus /greencaps to gain sanity, berries to increase the hunger points they yield. All that is a irrelevant to Warly since he cant eat the individual ingredients. In terms of justifying why Walter has it, it's because he's a scout and therefore skilled at cooking on the campfire with efficiency. This resourcefulness transfers over to cooking on a lighter which in real life would take some skill, but a scout is prepared for anything in the woods. 

[Mysterious box]

Yea I don't think it's a good idea to have Wilson step on other characters toes like this it generally just kills the uniqueness of a character when multiple other characters have the same crossover perk.

3 hours ago, maxwell_winters said:

I can let Warly pass but Walter definitely doesn't need it. Removing this ability would actually benefit Walter by making him more streamlined which he definitely needs.

I know I probably sound like a broken record asking this but what specifically is wrong with the way Walter is in his design compared to existing characters. (I mean aside from his slingshot being lackluster) In the current design space it's not as though he's bloated when compared to some other characters nor is anything about his theme unfitting.

[flamboyant wolf]

49 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I know I probably sound like a broken record asking this but what specifically is wrong with the way Walter is in his design compared to existing characters. (I mean aside from his slingshot being lackluster) In the current design space it's not as though he's bloated when compared to some other characters nor is anything about his theme unfitting.

I apologize in advance for going off topic, but I too, still don't understand why people specifically target Walter for having variety in his perks and saying that it's, somehow, a bad thing. 

is it because they wanted Wheeler over Walter? is it because his slingshot is not that good? is it because of the bee allergy? (tbh bee allergy is pretty out of place and the way it functions leaves much to be desired, so in that case? fair enough)

but still, even if having flavor perks was a bad thing(which I don't see it as), it's not like he has that much, especially when compared to some other characters. Wurt has a whole bunch, like frog neutrality, sanity for fish in inventory etc., Woodie has his follower perk and some insulation from his beard. like, is getting sanity near trees and telling stories at the campfire really that detrimental to Walter's character? what else is there? half the hunger cost for sleeping? it synergieses with his portable tent, which, in turn, helps with his main downside, allowing to restore both sanity and health when in need. Woby? helps him scout the area, works well together with slingshot. slingshot? while in practice it's a bit weaker than I'd prefer, it does allow Walter to fight certain enemies from the safe range, which allows you to work around the main downside.

[cropo]

Honestly I think Willow should have Wilsons torch buffs for her candle, with the added effect that she can start fires by throwing the torch. 

 

I really like Wilson's rework, don't get me wrong..but as I was seeing the torch buffs I feel a little jealous that Willow didn't have those. Her lighter now is really only good for cooking on the go, she should be able to drop it as a light source and its radius should be slightly extended like Wilsons torches...

[Antynomity]

Unique perks please, we don't need cloned perks between characters  

[Well-met]

It is a nice idea but in the end it only strips willow of a unique trait. (not counting warly)

[Cheggf]

Pretty sure the cooking on the lighter perk is the same as the cooking in a fire pit faster perk, which is why Walter & Warly can do it.

On 3/4/2023 at 9:47 PM, maxwell_winters said:

I can let Warly pass but Walter definitely doesn't need it. Removing this ability would actually benefit Walter by making him more streamlined which he definitely needs.

If you think Walter is all over the place, wait until you see Wurt, Wanda, Wormwood, Wickerbottom, and Maxwell!

[ZeRoboButler]

On 3/4/2023 at 8:15 PM, -Variant said:

Willow isn't the only character that can cook with her lighter as is.

Warly and Walter already can, throwing the perk to Wilson will further dilute it in my opinion. 

I had no clue with was even a thing, perhaps its a result of seeing so few willows (that either die because they are new or tend to destroy as much as possible before leaving with out a word).

[GenomeSquirrel]

4 hours ago, ZeRoboButler said:

I had no clue with was even a thing, perhaps its a result of seeing so few willows (that either die because they are new or tend to destroy as much as possible before leaving with out a word).

It’s largely irrelevant, Warly still can’t eat what he could cook with the lighter, and neither can craft it.

Adding it to the torch would make sense, it’s not as if a lighter could do anything but char the outside or the whole thing, there’s no happy middle ground or partial success. 

[ZeRoboButler]

It could have some niche cases, since having a place to cook is always a good thing, but since it could in theory just be tossed into the pot anyhow, I can see why it would be largely irrelevant. 

[Mike23Ua]

14 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said:

It’s largely irrelevant, Warly still can’t eat what he could cook with the lighter, and neither can craft it.

Adding it to the torch would make sense, it’s not as if a lighter could do anything but char the outside or the whole thing, there’s no happy middle ground or partial success. 

It’s obviously a MAGICAL Lighter  

4 hours ago, ZeRoboButler said:

I had no clue with was even a thing, perhaps its a result of seeing so few willows (that either die because they are new or tend to destroy as much as possible before leaving with out a word).

Ughhh for the love of GOD can people stop stereotyping & hating on Willow just because she spawns into a world with a lighter in hand.. I got a news flash for you: Ever since Klei added the “Starting Resources” for people who join into a world 10 days after its existence ANYONE now spawns with enough resources to craft a torch, a Torch is just as destructive as the lighter..

Willow Also has several “Team” Based Perks now which while they aren’t “Much” do still help newbies ALOT. 
 

Those perks would be: She can craft and give anyone a Bernie Doll, it won’t enlarge into BERNIE! Without a nearby insane Willow to trigger it… but it WILL still animate to life and dance to distract Shadow Monsters into attacking it if an Insane player (who isn’t Willow) drops it on the ground.

And of course finally- Willow is COMPLETELY Immune to Fire Damage, so if a Griefer joins your game and starts attempting to burn your nearby planted trees down, Willow can stop the smoldering- OR even use an axe to chop down some of the already completely burning trees down to instantly “Stop” the spread of the Fire.

In fact: Willow is probably my favorite character in the entire game when it comes to Summer Season, just because she can single handedly stop a Wildfire that’s already started.

Wickerbottom can summon rain to achieve the same results I suppose… but- she wastes book durabilty and looses sanity while doing so, While Willow can do it for practically the cost of nothing.

[GodIess]

this is a very good idea that I like, but adding such an option is only necessary for the torch that was thrown, so we will not have mobility like willow. Everyone doesn't like Willow because of gripers anyway, and removing the unique ability won't make her any less desirable

[Cheggf]

On 3/6/2023 at 10:44 AM, ZeRoboButler said:

I had no clue with was even a thing, perhaps its a result of seeing so few willows (that either die because they are new or tend to destroy as much as possible before leaving with out a word).

I don't even remember the last time I saw a Willow grief. It's usually Webber, Wurt, WX, Wendy, or Wilson.

[Stonetribe]

If Willow wasn't so underwhelming I wouldn't really mind, but in her current state giving another character the ability to cook things without a campfire/fire pit just feels like kicking her while she's down. 

[GenomeSquirrel]

1 hour ago, Stonetribe said:

If Willow wasn't so underwhelming I wouldn't really mind, but in her current state giving another character the ability to cook things without a campfire/fire pit just feels like kicking her while she's down. 

She’s still better at getting beard hair than Wilson. Let Wilson be better at fire than she is, everyone is miserable together.