Small Wormwood Change

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 minutes ago, Parusoid said:

cuz thats what you start with at least

maybe you start with 10. If i will farm i do it in spring cuz is the less bussy season, rains and is easy to gather wild seeds from birds so i start with atleast 40 seeds plus the one i pick up meanwhile they grow

edit: and again, this is pointless because both are good at different strategies at farming saying "wickerbottom is better" is a non sense because both has different advantages and disadvantages while farming

[Spino43]

6 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

I'm having Wolfgang vs Wigfrid flashbacks all of a sudden...
 

Just let them duke it out.

[Parusoid]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

maybe you start with 10. If i will farm i do it in spring cuz is the less bussy season, rains and is easy to gather wild seeds from birds so i start with atleast 40 seeds plus the one i pick up meanwhile they grow

ok so you agree wormwood needs more seeds to be effective, while wicker yields good results with just 10 seeds, right?

[ArubaroBeefalo]

5 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

I'm having Wolfgang vs Wigfrid flashbacks all of a sudden...
 

exactly

2 minutes ago, Parusoid said:

ok so you agree wormwood needs more seeds to be effective, while wicker yields good results with just 10 seeds, right?

no lol

who is so vague to only pick 10 seeds?

what if bad rng and you dont get the wished seed or even get many weeds?

[Pig Princess]

 

19 minutes ago, Parusoid said:

okay well if 10 seeds does not produce big harvest then what does? 100 seeds? if yes then this comparision makes only sense when you factor in the time needed to get those 100 seeds first

Except neither Wickerbottom nor Wormwood live in the vacuum, i.e. you don't start your farm from day 1 as the only goal. Wicker needs farm plots (and location for them), to till, to craft books, regenerate sanity, while Wormwood just plants seeds anywhere (ideally place that will be revisited anyway, like pig king) while he does other things. He starts garden passively because it's free for him. I experienced that myself: I planned to start farming in spring and only pick generic seeds and store them until then, and still by the end of autumn I had all I needed to start proper nutrient combos even though I normally don't have time for farming because of rushing ruins, beefalo and glossammer saddle. All I did was to put seeds into the ground once 10-20 seeds accumulated. As Wicker I would have to spend extra time to get resources, probably even wouldn't succeed in time.

[Parusoid]

7 minutes ago, Pig Princess said:

by the end of autumn I had all I needed to start proper nutrient combos

so in the end you need farm plots just like wickerbottom does 
except she does not need to care about nutrients 
all im saying wormwood needs a windup time and a lot more input to exceed the rate of crops produced by wickerbottoms with her books even facoting in all the tilling, books crafting (although they regenrate), sanity regen (you can simply read on lunar), and other surviving activity

[Pig Princess]

8 minutes ago, Parusoid said:

so in the end you need farm plots just like wickerbottom does

On the contrary; available combos were a luxury at that point, and I had that luxury before I would have enough crops for non-combo growth and before first farm plots as any other character.

Also there is a difference between creating farm plots in destination location only (future base) and need to waste resources on temporary plots. Moreover, as I said, planting in farm plot is actually a luxury to Wormwood rather than necessity like for other characters, let alone going for giants (actually I think it's better to grow regular crops as Wormwood to save time).

[Mysterious box]

13 minutes ago, Pig Princess said:

 

Except neither Wickerbottom nor Wormwood live in the vacuum, i.e. you don't start your farm from day 1 as the only goal. Wicker needs farm plots (and location for them), to till, to craft books, regenerate sanity, while Wormwood just plants seeds anywhere (ideally place that will be revisited anyway, like pig king) while he does other things. He starts garden passively because it's free for him. I experienced that myself: I planned to start farming in spring and only pick generic seeds and store them until then, and still by the end of autumn I had all I needed to start proper nutrient combos even though I normally don't have time for farming because of rushing ruins, beefalo and glossammer saddle. All I did was to put seeds into the ground once 10-20 seeds accumulated. As Wicker I would have to spend extra time to get resources, probably even wouldn't succeed in time.

Still the game doesn't only exist in the early game despite the heavy focus on it and because of that Wickerbottom overall is the better farmer but Wormwood reigns as the best relaxed farmer sure he's not the best anymore but he still has a good niche.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

4 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Still the game doesn't only exist in the early game despite the heavy focus on it and because of that Wickerbottom overall is the better farmer but Wormwood reigns as the best relaxed farmer sure he's not the best anymore but he still has a good niche.

why he isnt the best if in late is better?

[Pig Princess]

18 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Still the game doesn't only exist in the early game despite the heavy focus on it and because of that Wickerbottom overall is the better farmer but Wormwood reigns as the best relaxed farmer sure he's not the best anymore but he still has a good niche.

In the middle- to lategame I just plant giant rows of one culture, or 5×5 field of crops in combos. And you know what? Regular character wouldn't be able to sow crops fast enough even if tilling was done beforehand to finish sowing before first plants reach stage 2 and get stress point because of no tending. Wormwood can sow 5×5 field just in time and crops will be tended already, moreover, you won't really have to wait, in fact, you won't have free minute before you will need to tend and water plants again. Even in case of rows of monoculture with enough seeds by the time you sow one row you will need to pick another. Rows reach that point at higher amount of seeds, but on the flip side Wormwood has actual free time that is not devided into smaller pieces by stages. My point is it's win-win situation for Wormwood in any setup just because his perk is free and frees resources.

Btw Wickerbottom would need to pick all veggies, which means that a lot of veggies will just wait in grown state until picked, so end result of growth acceleration is actually smaller than seems. Even if Wicker would grow 10 crops at a time and immediately pick them, depending on the harvest size difference would be neglected at some point (amount of seeds).

[Cheggf]

So much arguing about who the best farmer is. Can't we all agree that they're both great farmers, and that Cheggf is extremely handsome? 

[Pig Princess]

Just now, Cheggf said:

So much arguing about who the best farmer is. Can't we all agree that they're both great farmers, and that Cheggf is extremely handsome? 

I think best farmer is actually team of Wickerbottom and Wormwood, as it always has been.

[Copyafriend]

13 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Cheggf is extremely handsome? 

So round and egg like, an inspiration 

[Bellium]

1 hour ago, Parusoid said:

so in the end you need farm plots just like wickerbottom does 
except she does not need to care about nutrients 
all im saying wormwood needs a windup time and a lot more input to exceed the rate of crops produced by wickerbottoms with her books even facoting in all the tilling, books crafting (although they regenrate), sanity regen (you can simply read on lunar), and other surviving activity

I agree, if you live on the lunar island, Wicker is a way better farmer than Wormwood

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, Pig Princess said:

In the middle- to lategame I just plant giant rows of one culture, or 5×5 field of crops in combos. And you know what? Regular character wouldn't be able to sow crops fast enough even if tilling was done beforehand to finish sowing before first plants reach stage 2 and get stress point because of no tending. Wormwood can sow 5×5 field just in time and crops will be tended already, moreover, you won't really have to wait, in fact, you won't have free minute before you will need to tend and water plants again. Even in case of rows of monoculture with enough seeds by the time you sow one row you will need to pick another. Rows reach that point at higher amount of seeds, but on the flip side Wormwood has actual free time that is not devided into smaller pieces by stages. My point is it's win-win situation for Wormwood in any setup just because his perk is free and frees resources.

Btw Wickerbottom would need to pick all veggies, which means that a lot of veggies will just wait in grown state until picked, so end result of growth acceleration is actually smaller than seems. Even if Wicker would grow 10 crops at a time and immediately pick them, depending on the harvest size difference would be neglected at some point (amount of seeds).

I don't know i think I'd have to see side comparisions while wormwood would probably win in a natural growing comparsion even with Wickerbottom's night time growing advantage I can't reasonably see a scenario where a fully setup food growing Wickerbottom doesn't just outpace Wormwood to extreme levels.

5 minutes ago, Bellium said:

I agree, if you live on the lunar island, Wicker is a way better farmer than Wormwood

You don't even need to live there just put a farm there.

1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

why he isnt the best if in late is better?

I see Wickerbottom as the better mid to late game farmer Wormwood feels like a better early game farmer and a more lax farmer. Though i guess there's nothing stopping Wicker from rushing multiple horticulture books.

[Bellium]

2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

You don't even need to live there just put a farm there.

But then you simply get off Lunar and are insane again, so it kinda defeats the point of going to lunar in the first place.

Also I really don't get this argument, sure wicker can grow crops faster. But after one round of giant crops as wormwood your drowning in crops and seeds anyway (normally I end up with more than I know what do to with), and then you get to plant any excess seeds you get in regular ground and can come back to even more crops. 

Like, it takes wicker more effort to get a few crops 2 or 3 days earlier then Wormwood who gets 2.75x the number of crops 2.25x the number of seeds and can replant the extra 1.25 seeds for free for even more crops which can be harvested whenever you want (they take 50% longer to spoil, if you even want to keep them and don't mind turning them into rot). Honestly, the most time consuming aspect of farming as wormwood is re-filling wantering cans, and even that can be done in the times your waiting for crops to grow too.

[Mysterious box]

23 minutes ago, Bellium said:

But then you simply get off Lunar and are insane again, so it kinda defeats the point of going to lunar in the first place.

Also I really don't get this argument, sure wicker can grow crops faster. But after one round of giant crops as wormwood your drowning in crops and seeds anyway (normally I end up with more than I know what do to with), and then you get to plant any excess seeds you get in regular ground and can come back to even more crops. 

Like, it takes wicker more effort to get a few crops 2 or 3 days earlier then Wormwood who gets 2.75x the number of crops 2.25x the number of seeds and can replant the extra 1.25 seeds for free for even more crops which can be harvested whenever you want (they take 50% longer to spoil, if you even want to keep them and don't mind turning them into rot). Honestly, the most time consuming aspect of farming as wormwood is re-filling wantering cans, and even that can be done in the times your waiting for crops to grow too.

Lunar has high natural sanity regen so your sanity fills back up as you work so all wicker needs to do is till, pick, plant, and read. Wormwood will have a passive supply but wicker will have long since grown more than a server can reasonably eat by then..

[Parusoid]

Everyone gangtsa until yall see side by side comparison in real time who gets more crops faster xD

[ArubaroBeefalo]

3 minutes ago, Parusoid said:

Everyone gangtsa until yall see side by side comparison in real time who gets more crops faster xD

agree

[HowlVoid]

Wormwood is a good farmer, he's ok with battle, and he has some of the greatest utility (sanity, logs, blooming).

But can we all agree his green thumb tab is a little dry? 

It wouldn't hurt to add one more item. Living logs+planks+meat bulb and you can add back a root trunk like item. Except maybe it's a giant eye plant that acts like a chest and only Wormwood can access it. 

This would allow him to have access to growth formulas from any location, transport high amounts of veggies from huge plots, move large amounts of ruin staffs and all sort of other utility. 

And I wouldn't say no to bramble walls that hurt enemies when they are attacked. They can be repaired with living logs.

If greenthumb could be fleshed out just a little bit that would be awesome.

[Evelo]

4 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

But can we all agree his green thumb tab is a little dry?

Really? Hmm, interesting. I think his unique crafts are fine currently. The main issue I have is with the Bramble Traps damaging walls. It is a great tool for mass farming mobs be it spiders, bunnymen, etc. I want it to be useful against Bee Queen but... alas.
The Bramble Husk is in a great spot, more HP and same DR as a Log Suit, aoe damage, protection from cactus and thorny bushes.
Obviously the Living Logs.
The thing I dislike is the Compost Wrap. I never use it because it is so mediocre. I think the reason why I don't use it is specifically because of the nitre cost. Manure and Rot are easy to come by but Nitre while easy to farm up in the early game is such a powerful resource for Gunpowder, Morning Star, Salt Licks, Flares (now with the introduction of the Hostile Flare). I mostly use all my nitre for Gunpowder to try and farm scales from Dfly or to speed up some boring boss fights. 40 HP compared to the easy of a Honey Poultice's 30 hp seems like an obvious choice to me.
I already mentioned the Bramble Wall but mainly as a way to have Bramble Traps not damage walls.
Hmm after rambling about this yea Wormwood could use something else. (Besides a buff to the Compost Wrap, something to make Bramble Traps not damage walls/fences)

[Hornete]

16 minutes ago, Evelo said:

. I think his unique crafts are fine currently.

I think so too, but it's more so the quantity for me, when being ported over Wormwood lost the poison balm (due to poison not being a thing in DST, duh).

Just made him feel that tiny bit emptier, and so I'd love to see a new unique craft as a replacement for the poison balm.

I always thought itd be cute if he had a unique fertilizer craft that gave him temporary enlightenment for a short time(MOON PERK), maybe its be gimmicky though, I dunno.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

3 hours ago, Hornete said:

Wormwood lost the poison balm (due to poison not being a thing in DST, duh).

that has easy fix :3

pls klei, add poison 

[abrocator]

On 8/11/2022 at 4:17 PM, ArubaroBeefalo said:

nutrients are obtained by combo

Not requiring a spreadsheet is like 10X advantage in terms of QOL.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 minutes ago, abrocator said:

Not requiring a spreadsheet is like 10X advantage in terms of QOL.

isnt that hard to check 3 numbers with the gardener hat...