What is the best CPU for ONI?

[gabberworld]

now if intel can make faster ships with his current 14 nm than Amd with his 7 nm , i not sure what happens when intel switch to 7nm at year 2023

[Saturnus]

3 hours ago, gabberworld said:

if you nothise  or not the latest amd is slower than latest intel and that intel price is also 200 less, and not only that, you can overclock that to 7Ghz

No, you can't.

1 hour ago, gabberworld said:

now if intel can make faster ships with his current 14 nm than Amd with his 7 nm , i not sure what happens when intel switch to 7nm at year 2023

AMD is on TSMC 3nm in 2023 according to the roadmap. And unlike Intel roadmap, AMD actually execute on their roadmaps. Intel is at least 2-3 years behind AMD. However, it's all irrelevant for ONI performance. All that matters for ONI is single core clock speed, cache size, and memory speed. In clock speed there's not much difference between AMD and Intel, it's less than 5% difference at best in favour of Intel. In cache size AMD is way ahead and typically have double the cache of Intel CPUs. Memory speeds are about a wash as well with 5% difference at best in favour of AMD. 

[gabberworld]

31 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

32 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

No, you can't.

AMD is on TSMC 3nm in 2023 according to the roadmap. And unlike Intel roadmap, AMD actually execute on their roadmaps. Intel is at least 2-3 years behind AMD. However, it's all irrelevant for ONI performance. All that matters for ONI is single core clock speed, cache size, and memory speed. In clock speed there's not much difference between AMD and Intel, it's less than 5% difference at best in favour of Intel. In cache size AMD is way ahead and typically have double the cache of Intel CPUs. Memory speeds are about a wash as well with 5% difference at best in favour of AMD. 

 

amd start release 5nm at next year for laptops, intel looking the 3nm already but that dosent mean that they start release cpus for that

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

2 hours ago, gabberworld said:

now if intel can make faster ships with his current 14 nm than Amd with his 7 nm , i not sure what happens when intel switch to 7nm at year 2023

The current 14 nm chipset from Intel is heavily developed throughout the years (it dates back from 2014...). They squeezed every last drop of performance out of that architecture. It is not exactly a fair comparison with an architecture 2 generations in. AMD probably still has headroom to improve on their 7nm line. I expect intel's 10nm not be much better than their current 14nm, simply because you are comparing a fresh new architecture with a matured architecture.

Plus, we talked about this already. Intel is not faster than AMD comparing their current chipsets, at best on par with a lot more voltage..Intel squeezes more clock frequency out of their chips, AMD has a better IPC.

I am pretty sure both Intel and AMD already have 3nm chipsets. Just no means to produce them on a large scale in a profitable way. The thing that always holds back is the yield rate. Now, Intel is planning on building a new production facility. That could turn the tied for them.

[Saturnus]

1 hour ago, ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy said:

I am pretty sure both Intel and AMD already have 3nm chipsets.

No. Only AMD currently have solid plans for using 3nm. There are rumours that Intel will have 3nm but not produced by themselves because Intel does not have the capability of making any 3nm for the next 4 years at least. They will instead buy capacity from Samsung or TSMC for some 3nm parts which both Samsung and TSMC plans to have in volume production by end of this year.

The reason Intel is so far behind is they didn't see the need to go with EUV before it was too late. Only one company in the World, ASML in the Netherlands, makes the necessary EUV machinery to produce 3nm processors, and their capacity for making EUV machinery has been almost completely bought up by Samsung and TSMC so far. Intel has less than 5% of the total EUV machinery on the market.

However, the topic is "best CPU for ONI", and in that respect AMD with their Ryzen CPUs narrowly wins but really we're talking minor differences except on power consumption where AMD easily uses half the power for the same performance.

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

1 hour ago, Saturnus said:

No. Only AMD currently have solid plans for using 3nm.

I don't mean 3nm for production, but working prototypes. I can't imagine Intel not having it atleast in R&D. The part you left out in my quote was an important nuance ;).

I think for the next couple of years atleast cpu perfomance increases will stagnate. Current situation where AMD will overall be the better choice, will continue to apply.

[gabberworld]

https://www.windowscentral.com/intel-apple-tsmc-3nm-report

1 hour ago, ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy said:

The current 14 nm chipset from Intel is heavily developed throughout the years (it dates back from 2014...). They squeezed every last drop of performance out of that architecture. It is not exactly a fair comparison with an architecture 2 generations in. AMD probably still has headroom to improve on their 7nm line. I expect intel's 10nm not be much better than their current 14nm, simply because you are comparing a fresh new architecture with a matured architecture.

 

what you mean no fair comparison? you can add allot more to 7nm as it 2x smaller than 14nm. its not fair from amd as intel pushes much harder atm for be same good as amd, when intel start make 7nm he can also make that many cores without trouble like amd have atm. i not know why intel delay the 7nm , mostlikey issues with setup

 

 

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

48 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

https://www.windowscentral.com/intel-apple-tsmc-3nm-report

what you mean no fair comparison? you can add allot more to 7nm as it 2x smaller than 14nm. its not fair from amd as intel pushes much harder atm for be same good as amd, when intel start make 7nm he can also make that many cores without trouble like amd have atm. i not know why intel delay the 7nm , mostlikey issues with setup

 

 

Intel: 14nm has underwent its 5th generation in 7 years

AMD: 7nm underwent its 2d generation in 2 yeats.

It's of course a fair comparison in the sense of it being their current line up. It's not fair in that sense to say "if they can create faster 14nm chips, imagine what they can do with 7nm". Because when they do hit 7nm, it will an archtiectural reset. It will not be as optimised as the current 14nm+++++++ chipset is. I agree their first generation 7nm will most likely be better than AMD's first gen  7nm, but I also think that difference will be dissapointing.

Just for reference, the single core performance difference between the i5-6600k and i5-11600k is roughly 50%. To give an indication what they will lose in terms of that. The swtich to 7nm will of course more than make up for that, just don't expect it to immediately scale off the final 14nm product, but rather the first.

[gabberworld]

18 minutes ago, ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy said:

Intel: 14nm has underwent its 5th generation in 7 years

AMD: 7nm underwent its 2d generation in 2 yeats.

It's of course a fair comparison in the sense of it being their current line up. It's not fair in that sense to say "if they can create faster 14nm chips, imagine what they can do with 7nm". Because when they do hit 7nm, it will an archtiectural reset. It will not be as optimised as the current 14nm+++++++ chipset is. I agree their first generation 7nm will most likely be better than AMD's first gen  7nm, but I also think that difference will be dissapointing.

Just for reference, the single core performance difference between the i5-6600k and i5-11600k is roughly 50%. To give an indication what they will lose in terms of that. The swtich to 7nm will of course more than make up for that, just don't expect it to immediately scale off the final 14nm product, but rather the first.

anyway we currently not know if they actually start make 7nm chips or they jump right away to 3nm

[Saturnus]

19 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

anyway we currently not know if they actually start make 7nm chips or they jump right away to 3nm

Did you not read the link you posted? Intel cannot mass produce 3nm at all, not now, not next year, and not even in 3 years. What 3nm parts they will use they have will to buy from either TSMC or Samsung. And the link you posted all says "reports" without mentioning sources so it's basically just a rumour that Intel mgiht buy 3nm parts from TSMC... in 2023. TSMC starts mass production of 3nm later this year.

Apple however certainly will be using 3nm for their next generation of chips as they're always early adopters, and the first generation of a new process node at TSMC is always a low power version. The high performance version will come later, probably in 2022.

However, I'd honestly rather stay on topic.

[SamLogan]

On 7/3/2021 at 6:15 PM, hegemontree said:

I have an older CPU and am looking to upgrade.  ONI seems to run on 2 of 8 virtual cores only for me.  Please note your performance experience with your chip especially if its good performance.  

Thanks.

You can have the best PC you will still have performances issues. With my new computer, (i9 10900K, 3070 RTX, 32 Go Ram, SSD Nvme (Gen4) ), I've gain 10-20 FPS.

[Galifrey1965]

2 hours ago, SamLogan said:

ONI -> Unity

Dyson -> Unreal Engine IV

It's not about the team, it's about the engine is not enough strengh to support the game.

Dyson is made in Unity

[spkthed]

I like VIM.

[SamLogan]

14 hours ago, Galifrey1965 said:

Dyson is made in Unity

Oh yes, you're right, that's amazing. :O

[gabberworld]

On 7/7/2021 at 12:44 AM, SamLogan said:

You can have the best PC you will still have performances issues.

yes that is true, , ONI have aslo this thing that you can control self the performance. by not having allot items.

as i understand atm ONI animation is the worst thing in this game. that seems use allot cpu

[misotoma]

On 7/6/2021 at 11:23 AM, Saturnus said:

However, the topic is "best CPU for ONI", and in that respect AMD with their Ryzen CPUs narrowly wins but really we're talking minor differences except on power consumption where AMD easily uses half the power for the same performance.

I’m gonna heavily research both and and intel but based on your confidence I will weigh myself more towards AMD. You give both a fair ranking and I guess intel is also good.. but the problems ultimately aren’t the cpu but ONI itself. I wish klei would read the mass of forum posts regarding this issue and finally do something about it.. having to dig and search a cpu for a game… this might be the first game I do this for. Unfortunately I can’t stop getting my fix from this game lol love the initial start of a new map every time.