Pop Guy Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Maxwell says "They" are just watching. The ancients represented Them as an eye appearing at the opening of the gate. They are described as custodians of immense knowledge, the eye is a symbol of omniscience. Return of Them in Chinese is 旧 神 归来, literally, "The return of Gods". The eye in our world is the symbol of providence and of God. What are They? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomind Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 You have a perfect avatar to ask about eyes and THEM =) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1438352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 I see that eye as, atleast, a representation of the gate (or whaever is on the other side) having conscience. Ancients maybe though that they were simply extracting nightmere fuel like we can extract oil from the ground, a non intelligent fount of energy but little by little that intelligent being was getting the controll over that civilization until the cataclism happend Edit: love the fma brotherhood reference Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1438363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russian_Philin Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Pop Guy said: What are They? This question can only be answered by the developers themselves. For THEY can be interpreted as soon as you want. THEY can be physical, abstract, and so on. We can't find out yet, but THEY seem to be quite powerful enough to just observe the characters and influence them in the strongest way. I think that THEY are still not the evil of this world. It just seems to me that THEY want to create, but they can't, because THEY need a physical shell. Well, or it's nonsense and they just want to plunge all the worlds into total darkness. Also, the eye can indicate that THEY are still really neutral to a greater extent, but they have their own great purpose. But THEY don't have the strength to do it. By the way, the moon on the arts looks like an eye, so we can safely assume that this world is completely absorbed by THEM. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1438371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 30 minutes ago, Russian_Philin said: This question can only be answered by the developers themselves. For THEY can be interpreted as soon as you want. THEY can be physical, abstract, and so on. We can't find out yet, but THEY seem to be quite powerful enough to just observe the characters and influence them in the strongest way. I think that THEY are still not the evil of this world. It just seems to me that THEY want to create, but they can't, because THEY need a physical shell. Well, or it's nonsense and they just want to plunge all the worlds into total darkness. Also, the eye can indicate that THEY are still really neutral to a greater extent, but they have their own great purpose. But THEY don't have the strength to do it. By the way, the moon on the arts looks like an eye, so we can safely assume that this world is completely absorbed by THEM. Maybe them are Them (or simply the gestals and Them are other thing) and They (shadows) are fighting because Them (the moon power) considere the constant as their world and They are being territorial because They are considered as invasors of their territory since They come from other realm This pronoums lore is confuse xD Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1438381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegreatJash Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 They're pretty spooky. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1438419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenomeSquirrel Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Reminder that “god”, as translated from Chinese, does not match the western use you may be used to, their word for it can be attached to smaller scale things like Greek nature nymphs that we wouldn’t apply the term. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_(Chinese_religion)#:~:text=Shen (神) is the Chinese word for "god"%2C,intimately involved in the affairs of the world. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1438434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 hours ago, GenomeSquirrel said: Reminder that “god”, as translated from Chinese, does not match the western use you may be used to, their word for it can be attached to smaller scale things like Greek nature nymphs that we wouldn’t apply the term. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_(Chinese_religion)#:~:text=Shen (神) is the Chinese word for "god"%2C,intimately involved in the affairs of the world. So basically anything mythical/ supernatural? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1438506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenomeSquirrel Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 56 minutes ago, __IvoCZE__ said: So basically anything mythical/ supernatural? Yes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1438527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1438530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Guy Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 20 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: I see that eye as, atleast, a representation of the gate (or whaever is on the other side) having conscience. Ancients maybe though that they were simply extracting nightmere fuel like we can extract oil from the ground, a non intelligent fount of energy but little by little that intelligent being was getting the controll over that civilization until the cataclism happend Edit: love the fma brotherhood reference I really like this interpretation; really. Nice idea! Edit: Brotherhood got off to a great start and ended in catastrophe, a metaphor for ancient civilization Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1438670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 On 3/15/2021 at 2:21 AM, Pop Guy said: Maxwell says "They" are just watching. The ancients represented Them as an eye appearing at the opening of the gate. They are described as custodians of immense knowledge, the eye is a symbol of omniscience. Return of Them in Chinese is 旧 神 归来, literally, "The return of Gods". The eye in our world is the symbol of providence and of God. What are They? ok so dst and fmab universes are intertwined nice Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1452572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WebberMain Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Fun fact about "the Eye" Ancient Heralds AoE attack resembles the Eye from the gate Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1452909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plagezeichen Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 I personally think that They are both shadow and lunar forces (as in plural) They both stem from the ancient gateway, They are similar but opposite, but the lunar part of Them either went out of the caves or fled because the ancients started worshipping and strengthening the shadow part of Them and thus formed the "moon" as a far away place where They can gather strength to eventually return. What we do in forgotten knowledge is introducing a gem which is full of lunar powers to an already lunar influenced part of the caves (because there are already two irredescent gems in the archives which slowly formed the grotto over time) and the shadow Them (or charly, because she absorbed a lot of shadow power with fuelweavers death) is sending shadows to fight back. That would be my theory, but what I find interesting is that charly absorbed part of the shadow part of Them and wagstaff absorbed part of the lunar part of Them with the new boss (on that I really like how there is a one day of lights out upon the champions death because of the imbalance), so my guess would be that now that both of Them have returned and we have two weilders of the powers of Them, I think we can expect a war between charly and wagstaff. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1452914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 15 hours ago, Plagezeichen said: (because there are already two irredescent gems in the archives which slowly formed the grotto over time) the grotto is formed because the piece of moon that fell Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1453187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plagezeichen Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 9 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: the grotto is formed because the piece of moon that fell oh ty, I forgot that. So then we introduced an irredescent gem to the grotto, which strengthened the lunar influence and the shadow part of Them is/are fighting back but only when there are three gems. So maybe two gems aren't enough power to significantly increase the influence so that the shadow Them notice it or the archives specifically only use the gems power if there are all three because then they wouldn't be able to defend the archives properly but maybe I'm thinking about this too much, because then the question arises, why the archives were built in the first place. Were they built in the early days of the gateway, meaning the ancients still used lunar power. Were they built as an outpost by some of the still lunar loyal ancients after the lunar Them fled? (that would explain why they were hidden) But I suppose we don't know for sure and we'll probably never know for sure that is kind of the beauty of don't starve lore I think. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/127986-them/#findComment-1453273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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