toadewvalley Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 I've noticed that the feedback for plug slugs is... not very great. I have an idea to fix this though. What if the plug slug made electricity based off its gas environment. Oxygen, polluted oxygen, and carbon dioxide would give the usual 40 watts, but it would have different morphs based off the gas. Hydrogen would turn it pink, and chlorine would turn it green. Both would give it a +300 watt gain. Over time though it would consume 100g/second of the gas surrounding it. A way to make plug slugs good, but not overpowered. If there is no way to make chlorine renewable, the Saturn critter trap could produce chlorine instead of hydrogen. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 The damn critters are eating my valuable metal! That is a shoot-on-sight offence! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1419835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 It just needs some balancing. With lower ore consumption and a morph with different diet it will be in a much better spot. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1419863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crbd115 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, Sasza22 said: It just needs some balancing. With lower ore consumption and a morph with different diet it will be in a much better spot. I liked the idea someone had of having it consume ice, so it would make some sense where the hydrogen is coming from and we don't have anything like that yet Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1419875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pether Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, crbd115 said: I liked the idea someone had of having it consume ice, so it would make some sense where the hydrogen is coming from and we don't have anything like that yet Eats ice Farts Hydrogen Connects to the pipes and produces oxygen (instead of power) Quite a nice idea, I like it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1419878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 It isn't much of a problem. Don't mine out ore that they can ever access. If you are going to dig in to where they are to place wire put a door down before you dig in fully. Pretty similar stuff to dealing with hatches. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1420043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 9 hours ago, 0xFADE said: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That is why I kill them on sight. Does not get more preventative that that! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1420222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
suicide commando Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 While metal volcano's are currently not available, it might be a bit taxing to feed these guys, but once you have a metal volcano, these guys wouldn't be so bad I think. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1420233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Why all this hate for plug slugs? I love the wiggly li'l buggers. They need a little adjustment, certainly -- and hopefully a morph that ingests some kind of renewable item. I would like to see their consumption go down slightly and their hydrogen production go up slightly -- a 5% return on mass is quite low, compared to other critters (except light bugs, which return nothing). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1420255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Gurgel said: That is why I kill them on sight. Does not get more preventative that that! I just keep them holed up somewhere till they lay an egg and then put that egg in a nice clean separated room that fits a few of them for free power. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1420366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 hours ago, suicide commando said: While metal volcano's are currently not available, it might be a bit taxing to feed these guys, but once you have a metal volcano, these guys wouldn't be so bad I think. You get a few aluminium and gold volcanoes on the third planetiod. But that`s metal. Slugs only eat ore which is kinda bad. Maybe if we had ore volcanoes? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1420380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
he77789 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Ore volcanoes won't make sense are there's currently no liquid ore, and all geysers currently output fluids. I'd rather have a morph that converted refined metal back into ore. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1420521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crbd115 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 tbh real life slugs eat just about anything, and so I feel like plug slugs should be a tiny bit more omnivorous then our current metal ore version, yes I get electricity and metal kinda go together but idk feels too narrow to me Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1420894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupbert Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 19 hours ago, he77789 said: Ore volcanoes won't make sense are there's currently no liquid ore, and all geysers currently output fluids. I'd rather have a morph that converted refined metal back into ore. I like this idea. Try this: All plug slugs can eat refined metal, but not manufactured metal, and not lead. So, they can’t eat steel or thermium. Eating refined metal increases the chances of getting silver slug eggs. Silver slugs eat refined metal, have a plug that’s a load, and poop out 50% metal ore. They can only poop out the metal ore when plugged in, and drawing power. They require a hydrogen, oxygen, or CO2 atmosphere, of at least 500g to avoid suffocating, but like most critters don’t consume gasses. Their livable temperature is -5C to 75C Wild Silver Slugs eat at 25% speed, but require the same amount of electricity, Quadrupling the amount of electricity needed per kilogram processed Note: Both living environment and the livable temperature is picked with malice, to require active cooling. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1420899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakura_sk Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 10:47 PM, Sasza22 said: Maybe if we had ore volcanoes? 20 hours ago, he77789 said: Ore volcanoes won't make sense are there's currently no liquid ore, and all geysers currently output fluids. Liquid ore = Refined metal. If you melt any ore (either by accident like me or intentionally) you get their respective refined metal (copper ore=copper, gold amalgam=gold, iron ore= iron). So.. in a way we have "ore" volcanoes. What we don't have is liquid metal freezing to ore. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1420942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
he77789 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, sakura_sk said: What we don't have is liquid metal freezing to ore. Yes, that's what I meant; I meant no liquid ore as in "nothing that will condense into ore", not "ore doesn't melt into anything" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1421035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakura_sk Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 hours ago, he77789 said: Yes, that's what I meant; I meant no liquid ore as in "nothing that will condense into ore", not "ore doesn't melt into anything" What I'm implying is "it's the game's logic" the transition from one to the other (melting ore to refined metal). Like heated algae doesn't turn back to algae. If it changed how ore changes to refined metal with heat, there would be no logic in existing refined metals from their respective ore ones. There should only be metal ore and ... steel? What would make more sense (for me..) it would be a morph of plug slugs eating refined metal (after feeding them niobium or steel perhaps..?) or return some of the ore and not only hydrogen Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1421126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hthought Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 12:51 AM, toadewvalley said: I've noticed that the feedback for plug slugs is... not very great. I have an idea to fix this though. What if the plug slug made electricity based off its gas environment. Oxygen, polluted oxygen, and carbon dioxide would give the usual 40 watts, but it would have different morphs based off the gas. Hydrogen would turn it pink, and chlorine would turn it green. Both would give it a +300 watt gain. Over time though it would consume 100g/second of the gas surrounding it. A way to make plug slugs good, but not overpowered. If there is no way to make chlorine renewable, the Saturn critter trap could produce chlorine instead of hydrogen. Their output is not the problem, it's the way they have to be fed where the problem lies. Power has to be renewable and ore is just not, unless there are a lot of volcanoes, and the base map has none of them. Thus slugs are useless in the long run. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1421220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 17 hours ago, sakura_sk said: Liquid ore = Refined metal. That`s the problem kinda. We can`t get renewable ore from volcanoes as they output metal already refined (which makes sense by the game logic). Similarly meteors contain refined metals and they should as real meteors do as well. But that makes us skip the entire process of refining when harvesting renewable metals and creates a problem of ore being unrenewable. I think they should change volcanoes somehow so they produced either ore (as a different material that solidifies into ore) or some eqiuvalent like metal contaminated with igneaous rock or something so that we could use that like ore. Currently having rfined metals renewable but ore not feels backward, even though it makes sense by the game`s logic. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1421324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnankie Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 ya gotta be joking. There is no way the slugs are my most hated critter. I give you my most hated critter ::Gassy moo enters stage left:: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1421326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
natanstarke Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Also smooth hatches have the same problem lack of ores that could be solved with eternal mining space missions that now cannot happen. Just add some space missions like the old version too and call them " far asteroides or uncolonizable ones". Or also add New building that turns refined metal into metal ore or my favorite option add mines to the game where dupes can enter to mine metal ore endlessly and it consumes some sort of resources there and also require then to use gás masks to enter? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1421636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisukin Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Probably the most hard part is generate balance when add some new creatures. I can´t see if the slugs are created to have a aditional way to generate power or they just make this way to avoid a game imbalance. Since slugs produce energy , they could be more dangerous; for example , if you attack it, they could defend itself like a eletric eel ( not a area attack to avoid a chain reaction ); if slugs( or orther critters) have some interactions with new radioactive products, this could become interesting (still editing ) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1421844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slavon Blue Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 10:06 AM, suicide commando said: While metal volcano's are currently not available, it might be a bit taxing to feed these guys, but once you have a metal volcano, these guys wouldn't be so bad I think. Metal volcanos are of no help here. You get refined metals from volcanos, and slugs eat ore. As of right now it is not possible to get a renewable source of metal ore. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1421965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plum Gate Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I would have them creating multiple byproducts if their diet is going to remain metal ore - hydrogen then perhaps refined metals if they are tamed. This would incentivise taming them rather than just feeding them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/126366-idea-for-the-most-hated-critter-in-the-game/#findComment-1422086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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