DST balance change update

[Kappachinos296]

Anyone else think we need a huge balance update for things like using 3 ice as filler to make meatballs in the winter or broken characters like wortox?? The game doesn't need to be too hard in order to accommodate new players but as a veteran player it can get pretty boring when the game just gets too easy. 

[QuartzBeam]

[ZTheNecromancer]

[Kappachinos296]

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[Mike23Ua]

Yes, and I hope those things come to the game eventually but maybe in the form of a Harder game mode.

I just hope Klei doesn’t start feeling discouraged with the game- trying to properly balance it between being too easy for veterans and too hard for people who has never played, I hope that what the franchise is/originally was doesn’t end up lost in translation.

Ive been playing video games most my entire life and I regret to say I was there and witnessed first hand when the resource managing survival, puzzle, horror game Resident Evil did a complete game genre swap.

It went from being what it was, to yet another mindless zombie shooter with more explosions then movies directed by Michael Bay because that is what was most POPULAR and sold the most.

I am glad I actually lived long enough to see that series go back to its roots.. 

But it is a Serious concern I have over DST-  I fear in an effort to make the game more popular and more accessible to those new comers they can very likely end up in the same boat as Resident Evil was- The game can sadly become an unrecognizable shell of its roots to veteran players.

But as I’m sure the creators of RE found out, people wanted RE BECAUSE it was RE... and NOT yet another action shooter game.

Take my own personal opinion here: If Klei made DST as simple and mindless as Minecraft I would probably just play Minecraft and find another game to fill the role DS/DST was originally meant to serve.

I think most everyone who has played Resident Evil can agree that 6 was the worst thing that ever happened to that franchise.. please Klei- I know you guys want the game to be more popular and played, but I beg you don’t lose track of what the franchise started as in the process of getting there. 

You have no idea how much that would break my heart.

[Kappachinos296]

I get where you're coming from. Thanks for the thoughtful response instead of a simple "no" lmao.

[Cheggf]

Broken things like the mediocre meatballs and Wortox? If you really are a "veteran" who doesn't know about anything stronger than meatballs but wants to only use things weaker than meatballs you can just not use meatballs and exclusively eat... I dunno, like raw berries or something. There's also plenty of mods to make the game a lot harder, and you can even write your own.

Maybe if you had listed actually broken things I might be able to get behind that since the game is getting easier and easier over time, but to put the bar so low as meatballs and Wortox being considered broken is way too far. Most players already have trouble surviving and those who don't put limits on themselves if they feel it's too easy.

[Kappachinos296]

I never said meatballs are broken. What are you on about lol. The means of getting meatballs with 3 ice and a monster is just dumb imo. You can get tons of ice for free in the winter. Besides that was just one example of how easy it is to not starve in this game. If you think Wortox doesn't need a nerf then you haven't tried him before. 

[Viktor234]

3 hours ago, Kappachinos296 said:

Anyone else think we need a huge balance update for things like using 3 ice as filler to make meatballs in the winter or broken characters like wortox?? The game doesn't need to be too hard in order to accommodate new players but as a veteran player it can get pretty boring when the game just gets too easy. 

Sure thing, this game won't suffer from a balance update which makes e.g. Wendy less OP and Warly more popular. Meatballs with ice and monster meat on the other hand aren't that OP since they act more like like an emergency food source for new players during Winter, and Klei already introduced free veggies for Winter.

But sadly Klei doesn't care about balancing their own game, and forumers are able to cry loud enough to prevent Klei from doing changes like these.

[Mike23Ua]

3 hours ago, Viktor234 said:

Sure thing, this game won't suffer from a balance update which makes e.g. Wendy less OP and Warly more popular. Meatballs with ice and monster meat on the other hand aren't that OP since they act more like like an emergency food source for new players during Winter, and Klei already introduced free veggies for Winter.

But sadly Klei doesn't care about balancing their own game, and forumers are able to cry loud enough to prevent Klei from doing changes like these.

I don’t think that’s a fair judgement of Klei/the game/what the games fanbase wants.

There will always be people who enjoy different things, I like harder difficulty.. but I do not like boring bosses with high pools of health and no differences between fighting that boss alone or with 35 people.

Ive played games with proper enemy scaling before and usually they get easier with less attacks when less players are playing, but get harder with some nastier abilities when multiple players are playing.

THAT is called boss/content scaling, simply decreasing/increasing the amount of health and damage it does is called Boring.

Some people want a brutally hardcore survival simulator that challenges their day by day survival skills, some people want a less harsh base building fishing and farming simulator- People will enjoy different things.

But just to prove a hard point:

Klei added the forgotten knowledges update for people who enjoy exploring new biomes and game lore.

Klei added the Hook, Line & Inker update for people who enjoy fishing.

Klei added the She Sells Sea Shells update for players who enjoy interacting with NPC’s  and making music with Shell Bells.

Klei added the Crab King & Malbatross for people who enjoy more boss fights.

Klei added a more in depth Farming system with the RWYS update for people who enjoy tilling farms, watering farms, caring for farms etc..

 

Basically- there’s a ton to do in DST but not every update is going to appeal to every type of gamer.

And I don’t care how much easier DST gets to play... as long as they also offer me harder content at some point. & don’t favor one group of gamers over the others.

The only thing I beg that they DONT do is forget the franchises roots and turn it into an entirely different gaming genre from what it started out as.

[cybers2001]

 

5 hours ago, Kappachinos296 said:

I never said meatballs are broken. What are you on about lol. The means of getting meatballs with 3 ice and a monster is just dumb imo. You can get tons of ice for free in the winter. Besides that was just one example of how easy it is to not starve in this game. If you think Wortox doesn't need a nerf then you haven't tried him before. 

You say you get a ton of ice for free but... do you? You still have to go out of your way to mine the ice and store it. I know, big deal, right? Except I tend to get more frog legs in a single frog rain than I ever have of ice. I get over a stack of honey every time I do a harvest, and my current world has fewer bee boxes than I usually have. I have too much of every crop now that farms are a thing.  

Ironically, Don't Starve isn't about not starving. It's about getting the most use out of your time, so you can be prepared for the next challenges ahead. If the game is too easy for you, try pushing yourself harder. Can you solo all the bosses without catapults/tentacles, pigmen/bunnymen, freeze cheese? How many can you kill in a year? Can you build a massive base that sprawls across entire biomes?

[Karitha]

On 12/25/2020 at 12:53 AM, ZeeDragon said:

 

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8 hours ago, Slagger said:

well its their way of saying no just like me saying POG to say me liking something or me saying POGCHAMP to display my excitement and besides i think it makes them uniqueyou do you @ZeeDragon

[Cheggf]

On 12/24/2020 at 6:56 PM, Kappachinos296 said:

I never said meatballs are broken. What are you on about lol. The means of getting meatballs with 3 ice and a monster is just dumb imo. You can get tons of ice for free in the winter.

Oh yeah 1 monster meat and 3 ice is super dumb and easy to get. But 1 monster meat and 3 kelp? 1 monster meat and 3 random crops now that farms give you stacks of drops per yield even with almost no investment? 1 monster meat and 3 monster meat? 1 monster meat and 3 stone fruit? 1 monster meat and 3 berries? 1 monster meat and 3 juicy berries? All very difficult to obtain and super balanced.

On 12/24/2020 at 6:56 PM, Kappachinos296 said:

Besides that was just one example of how easy it is to not starve in this game.

It has never been difficult to starve in this game and you would need to drastically nerf every single food source in the game if you want to make it difficult to starve.

On 12/24/2020 at 6:56 PM, Kappachinos296 said:

If you think Wortox doesn't need a nerf then you haven't tried him before. 

If you think Wortox does need a nerf you probably just learned how easy it is to not starve and made a thread about your newfound knowledge.

[Kappachinos296]

It doesn't need to be difficult but it also doesn't need to be incredibly easy to survive in the game without starving. I simply wanted the game to be more balanced and challenging in DST like Shipwrecked and Hamlet. Why do you keep bringing up the fact that Wortox doesn't need a nerf?? That thing can teleport around the map so easily it's ridiculous. He has insane healing for himself and his allies, and he can farm souls easily by killing bees and butterflies (Abigail aoe killing spiders bees etc for souls is another issue on its own). There's nothing wrong with wanting the characters to be more balanced. You can't say without any doubt that there aren't op character combos and that every character is balanced lol. " 1 monster meat and 3 random crops now that farms give you stacks of drops per yield even with almost no investment?" This literally just proves my point on how brain dead this game is becoming. But anyway that's just my opinion since I want the game to be focused more on survival. I'm aware that some people just want to focus more on the sandbox aspect of the game.

[MondayNight]

3 hours ago, Kappachinos296 said:

It doesn't need to be difficult but it also doesn't need to be incredibly easy to survive in the game without starving. I simply wanted the game to be more balanced and challenging in DST like Shipwrecked and Hamlet. Why do you keep bringing up the fact that Wortox doesn't need a nerf?? That thing can teleport around the map so easily it's ridiculous. He has insane healing for himself and his allies, and he can farm souls easily by killing bees and butterflies (Abigail aoe killing spiders bees etc for souls is another issue on its own). There's nothing wrong with wanting the characters to be more balanced. You can't say without any doubt that there aren't op character combos and that every character is balanced lol. " 1 monster meat and 3 random crops now that farms give you stacks of drops per yield even with almost no investment?" This literally just proves my point on how brain dead this game is becoming. But anyway that's just my opinion since I want the game to be focused more on survival. I'm aware that some people just want to focus more on the sandbox aspect of the game.

Are you sticking with DST default settings? Are you playing alone?

Try other WordGen general setups (if not already). Go for a Cave-Only challenge. Or Night-Only. Both?! All bon resources on "rare/never". Dangers and giants on lots aka "often/always". Only-Winter? Only Summer and no Cave? Spring-only in Cave with lot of rain?! Lighting on "always" outside?! Tentacles and nightmare fissures everywhere. Very short seasons. Enable various special events. Different values for world branching and loop. And, of course, combinations of all above plus more. If playing on PC, use mods, there are some great ones out there to make your DST gaming experience a lot harder - a lot!

Yet most of all: play pubs (KLei Survival vanilla variety). Play with random people of all skill levels, griefers included. You'll see such experiments make your game a whole new experience, not comparable at all with playing alone or with a select few & close (perhaps also advanced into DST) friends - the human unpredictability factor plays a huge role into randomizing DST in a plethora of ways.

 

Before asking KLei to modify the basic game content and mechanics (because we saw here on these forums over time how that goes more often than not), make sure you did all that stands within your power to diversify your own DST general experience as much as possible. Cheers!

[QuartzBeam]

4 hours ago, Kappachinos296 said:

I simply wanted the game to be more balanced and challenging in DST like Shipwrecked and Hamlet.

Ah, yes, balanced and challenging... like Shipwrecked.

 

Wait, what?!

 

Every corner of Shipwrecked's map is teeming with Jellyfish that restore more health when eaten raw than they take away when you hit them. Not to mention they have an even better and safer to kill variant in Rainbow Jellyfish, which also provide hands-free light.

The same DLC features self-sustaining fish farms that can be used to casually mass produce a food worth 60 health and 33 sanity, a boss so laughably easy that players kill it in the first 10 days to acquire end game equipment, cacti that can auto-farm half the mobs in the game, a weapon that is basically a cheaper, more durable Dark Sword and drains no sanity, a hat that lets you craft ruins items on the go, an eyebrella clone that is even better than the original and, last but certainly not least...

Coffee. A non-meat item that is so ridiculously overpowered it single-handedly turned Wigfrid into one of the worst characters in the game.

[gaymime]

2 hours ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

Are you sticking with DST default settings? Are you playing alone?

Try other WordGen general setups (if not already). Go for a Cave-Only challenge. Or Night-Only. Both?! All bon resources on "rare/never". Dangers and giants on lots aka "often/always". Only-Winter? Only Summer and no Cave? Spring-only in Cave with lot of rain?! Lighting on "always" outside?! Tentacles and nightmare fissures everywhere. Very short seasons. Enable various special events. Different values for world branching and loop. And, of course, combinations of all above plus more. If playing on PC, use mods, there are some great ones out there to make your DST gaming experience a lot harder - a lot!

Yet most of all: play pubs (KLei Survival vanilla variety). Play with random people of all skill levels, griefers included. You'll see such experiments make your game a whole new experience, not comparable at all with playing alone or with a select few & close (perhaps also advanced into DST) friends - the human unpredictability factor plays a huge role into randomizing DST in a plethora of ways.

 

Before asking KLei to modify the basic game content and mechanics (because we saw here on these forums over time how that goes more often than not), make sure you did all that stands within your power to diversify your own DST general experience as much as possible. Cheers!

thankyou for mentioning the toggles. in these arguments those are generally ignored in favor of demanding that klei make the default vanilla settings that everyone uses harder/easier/more convoluted x''D

[viberr]

21 hours ago, Kappachinos296 said:

This literally just proves my point on how brain dead this game is becoming

just because Klei are favoring the sandbox aspect of DST more than the survival aspect doesn't make the game "brain dead"

thats just you being rude 

[Mike23Ua]

13 hours ago, stranger again said:

just because Klei are favoring the sandbox aspect of DST more than the survival aspect doesn't make the game "brain dead"

thats just you being rude 

Pretty sure it’s highly inaccurate too- The new content has been harder, it’s been challenging to conquer, and their has been lots of deaths along the way in learning it, I still have yet to encounter a RockJaw shark but from what I’ve heard they are pretty tough. I have however been to the Lunar Grotto Biome and Ancient Ruins and I like how Mushgnomes drop living logs, and how chopping trees down there can be dangerous.. Only the newest content (RWYS) has been less about survival- Each return of them Update has added new mobs & challenges, which very much qualify as part of Survival aspects.

Some people are just experts at the game and/or look up everything about how to conquer a new content update online- But for the The Newbie players, the Casual players, or even the experienced players who went into the new content not knowing much about it: Return of Them HAS been new and exciting challenging content.

Klei also Opt’d to NOT Consider the RWYS update as part of their Return of Them content updates- can you blame them though? RWYS has to follow off the success of Forgotten Knowledges.. It would’ve been viewed as Bad if it were considered the next Return of Them update so I’m glad they choose to let RWYS be it’s own thing & am Extremely excited for the next Return of Them update that has to follow Forgotten Knowledges.

[viberr]

31 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Pretty sure it’s highly inaccurate too- The new content has been harder, it’s been challenging to conquer, and their has been lots of deaths along the way in learning it, I still have yet to encounter a RockJaw shark but from what I’ve heard they are pretty tough. I have however been to the Lunar Grotto Biome and Ancient Ruins and I like how Mushgnomes drop living logs, and how chopping trees down there can be dangerous.. Only the newest content (RWYS) has been less about survival- Each return of them Update has added new mobs & challenges, which very much qualify as part of Survival aspects.

Some people are just experts at the game and/or look up everything about how to conquer a new content update online- But for the The Newbie players, the Casual players, or even the experienced players who went into the new content not knowing much about it: Return of Them HAS been new and exciting challenging content.

Klei also Opt’d to NOT Consider the RWYS update as part of their Return of Them content updates- can you blame them though? RWYS has to follow off the success of Forgotten Knowledges.. It would’ve been viewed as Bad if it were considered the next Return of Them update so I’m glad they choose to let RWYS be it’s own thing & am Extremely excited for the next Return of Them update that has to follow Forgotten Knowledges.

mike i know this is off topic 

but how much time do you waste making your replys and posts

like seriously your replys always have no grammatical errors or anything 

[Mike23Ua]

4 hours ago, stranger again said:

mike i know this is off topic 

but how much time do you waste making your replys and posts

like seriously your replys always have no grammatical errors or anything 

Spoiler

Honestly it just comes naturally for me, I can type a long wall of text out in a matter of seconds. I guess it’s because my dad was a writer and that’s also what I wanted to do.. So I wrote my own stories & stuff. Hilariously I FAILED writing classes in school- something about not properly placing comma’s punctuations, capitalizations etc..

Well I’m a WRITER.. not an Editor, If a writer spent their time trying to properly punctuate, comma etc.. their stories- They would never actually get the story written. Even very famous Writers like Stephen King couldn’t actually punctuate, comma, capitalize etc... Thats why there’s a Writer- and then there’s an Editor. But anyway all this is off-topic so that’s why I answered you with a Spoiler Tag.

As for the actual topic: Klei actually HAS been doing balance changes with the QoL updates such as: Reducing Crafting costs of Marble Armor, Bat-Bat Weapon, Removing Rabbit Earmuffs from needing to learn at a crafting station and slightly increasing their usefulness so players joining a world mid-winter stand a chance at not dying instantly.  
 

[viberr]

7 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

As for the actual topic: Klei actually HAS been doing balance changes with the QoL updates such as: Reducing Crafting costs of Marble Armor, Bat-Bat Weapon, Removing Rabbit Earmuffs from needing to learn at a crafting station and slightly increasing their usefulness so players joining a world mid-winter stand a chance at not dying instantly.  

i think they want balance changes that make the game harder not easier

[ShakerGER]

If we take RWYS for what it is it's a seriously awesome update. Completely enableling two characters (Wormwood probably is better than WX for advanced players)  and overhauling an old game mechanic that was completely useless in so many perspectives, adding a new nicely designed mini boss and a new way to play for a part of the team. 

 

Sure there were a few bad parts ( cough Wolfgangs Potato affinity cough) but overall nobody should be dissatiesfied with this update.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

18 minutes ago, ShakerGER said:

cough Wolfgangs Potato affinity cough

roasted potato is good but what about pomegranades for wortox?