Tobruk Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 If I enclose a portion of the asteroid with Abyssalite, and each tile inside will have exactly the same temperature, can I assume this region no longer weighs down on my performance? Can I think of this region as "computationaly-inexistent"? I don't want to create vacums because it doesn't feel like a true asteroid then Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Abyssalite actually has a thermal conductivity of 0.00001, but the game rounds it to 0. This annoys me. The game still does computations on those. However, I believe there was an experiment a while ago that showed that bricking the asteroid is superior performance-wise to vacuuming it. The theory was that a vacuum is treated as a gas, so they still try to do the thermal computations as well as gas movement computations. I'm not sure there is a way to create a computational dead zone. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1344210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkMaster13 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Abyssalite seems to cause heat when it's exposed to gases, but not when exposed to solids. It's very weird and doesn't behave how you'd expect. Near as I can tell, you only need to worry about this when the abyssalite's temperature is not equal to what you want the environment to be. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1344233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 insulated tiles of any material practically creates computation dead zone. I tested while ago few scenarios for whole map and indeed bricking it up gives the most fps. So if you want to build up empty spaces use insulated tiles, or layer of 2 insulated tiles - what is inside should equilize temperature and won't be heated or cooled any more if insulated with 2 tiles layer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1344445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMule Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Angpaur said: 2 insulated tiles of any material practically creates computation dead zone. I tested while ago few scenarios for whole map and indeed bricking it up gives the most fps. So if you want to build up empty spaces use insulated tiles, or layer of 2 insulated tiles - what is inside should equilize temperature and won't be heated or cooled any more if insulated with 2 tiles layer. Isn't that the same of vacuuming an entire area and the filling it with say, granite tiles. As long as they're surrounded by vacuum they should be insulated. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1344542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 15 hours ago, DarkMaster13 said: Abyssalite seems to cause heat when it's exposed to gases, but not when exposed to solids. It's very weird and doesn't behave how you'd expect. Near as I can tell, you only need to worry about this when the abyssalite's temperature is not equal to what you want the environment to be. No, it definitely exchanges heat with solids. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1344545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, TheMule said: Isn't that the same of vacuuming an entire area and the filling it with say, granite tiles. As long as they're surrounded by vacuum they should be insulated. I would rather use insulated tiles as vacuum still requires more computations. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1344558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Angpaur said: I would rather use insulated tiles as vacuum still requires more computations. How does nothing require more calculations than something? I thought vacuum had the insulated flag like neutronium? Can you paint that in sandbox? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1344687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 24 minutes ago, psusi said: How does nothing require more calculations than something? It was already mentioned here by Zarquan Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1344702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheaker Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 In I provided temperatures of abyssalite from in my LO maker. There is an abyssalite tile not touching any gases but touching only other abyssalite tiles. It looks like no heat transfer occurred between them. Temperature of corner tiles did not changed for almost 2000 cycles. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1344747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 23 hours ago, DarkMaster13 said: Abyssalite seems to cause heat when it's exposed to gases, but not when exposed to solids. It's very weird and doesn't behave how you'd expect. Near as I can tell, you only need to worry about this when the abyssalite's temperature is not equal to what you want the environment to be. That is probably due to rounding to zero. Gas gets an increased heat exchange factor. Should be even stronger for liquids. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1344777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, sheaker said: There is an abyssalite tile not touching any gases but touching only other abyssalite tiles. It looks like no heat transfer occurred between them. Temperature of corner tiles did not changed for almost 2000 cycles. There is a threshold at which heat transfer is negated (not rounding error). Details are in @Yothiels post below. Extremely useful in lots of designs and completely abusable. Spoiler Here is the key line. You can make pretty crazy things happen when you know this. if |ΔQ'| < 1.0E-4, no transfer is done Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1344793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 23 hours ago, sheaker said: I provided temperatures of abyssalite from in my LO maker. There is an abyssalite tile not touching any gases but touching only other abyssalite tiles. It looks like no heat transfer occurred between them. Temperature of corner tiles did not changed for almost 2000 cycles. I'm guessing that you mention this in response to me saying that abyssalite does exchange heat with other abyssalite? Ever watch your oil biome get hotter and hotter as heat leaks through even two layers of abyssalite from the magma below? It happens. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1345294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheaker Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, psusi said: I'm guessing that you mention this in response to me saying that abyssalite does exchange heat with other abyssalite? Ever watch your oil biome get hotter and hotter as heat leaks through even two layers of abyssalite from the magma below? It happens. I rather meant 'in this situation' or 'there may be'. More like a confirmation that there can be no heat transfer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/119153-can-abyssalite-leak-heat-in-spite-of-having-0-thermal-conductivity/#findComment-1345299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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